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    Is this true?

    It only seems ludicrous. Reality for folks who own(ed) both bikes is something else. Where I live hourly rates for Yamaha are the same as BMW and it takes longer to do the maintenance on the Tenere. Consumables for the BMW at 12k (air filter/oil filter/spark plugs) -I don't remember exactly but...
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    found a 2015 with only 600 miles for 13000 but...

    Bad deal, for MN area... You can get a brand new 2016 60th anniversary model for $12,200.
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    Super Tenere or......?

    EricV, Just a couple of things. It is more expensive in MN to have the dealership perform maintenance on the Tenere than the GSW...the hourly rate is the same and it takes much longer to perform the work on the Tenere by the time you get to 24k miles. When it's time to change the plugs on the...
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    Super Tenere or......?

    I've owned three on your list. About 20k miles on a Tenere, 12k on an Explorer XC, and approaching 20k on the current bike a water cooled R1200 GS. On the highway any of these bikes will work well. The Tenere has slightly worse vibration at high speeds IMO and it has the slowest turn-in in this...
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    Price Check on Aisle 2014!

    http://www.heinenmotorsports.com/yamaha.html At 14k I think I would go new and dress it up how I like... This dealer was blowing older ones out for around 9K a few weeks ago. Good luck.
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    Gen 1 or Gen 2 ST? Oil or water BMW? Need input please.

    I had a gen 1 super T and now have a R1200 WC... The Tenere is the worst bike I've had for DIY maintenance and I've had (out of the ADV category) the 650 strom/WR250r/S Tenere/Explorer 1200 xc/KLR/R1200 GS. You can do the valves and change the spark plugs on the BMW in the same amount of time...
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    R1200GS vs Super Tenere - Operating cost comparison

    -Your crying about plugs on an older boxer motor and talking about 'your experience' with post warranty costs? :)) If you had something worth mentioning you would have... The new water cooled bikes use two plugs and they cost me less than four needed for the Tenere (and it only takes a few...
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    R1200GS vs Super Tenere - Operating cost comparison

    NADA makes it look better but lets get back to reality...it's possible but you would need to find a sucker that would pay 10,360 for a four year old gen 1 Tenere when you can currently purchase a brand new one for about 8,500. So, anyone willing to do a smidgen of research will put that 4 year...
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    R1200GS vs Super Tenere - Operating cost comparison

    A longer warranty can be purchased for the BMW...7 years total. There is no question that the initial purchase price is significantly higher for the BMW. Easy to use electronics that the operators can choose for themselves, the fabulous ESA with ride modes, stainless brake lines, more power...
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    R1200GS vs Super Tenere - Operating cost comparison

    I know this is the Tenere forum (I had one) so folks want bias in that direction and I’m sure this factual post (like a few others) will magically disappear but in the interest of those who want the truth and information from all angles I’ll post anyway… Here (MN) the warranty is 3 years for...
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    Electronic VS regular suspension.

    I hope that short sale on a newish bike to by another will allow your long term cost issue to overcome your quick loss, but a shame you didn't learn about your BMW. I've tested a few systems and found the BMW the easiest to use... You can switch the throttle maps (which have their own suspension...
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    Odd clutch actuation.

    I really hope you got it but I wouldn't hold your breath...The clutch lever is pushing a plunger and as long as that plunger is free to travel all the way to were it makes contact with the lever and the lever is starting at 'home', you could lube the pivot with sand and there wouldn't be any...
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    Odd clutch actuation.

    While logical. The symptoms show themselves as described by the OP and not all the time or any other time (at first)... -I worked 2nd shift same as Judd and what he describes will do more than ring a memory bell if this happened to you, it is spot on to what I experienced (not similar but spot...
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    Odd clutch actuation.

    I had the same exact problem. (I say had because I no longer have the bike) -I think I sent you a pm on another forum…maybe this info will help someone with more intimate knowledge of the system resolve the issue. Working the lever before starting seemed to improve it and it worked fine...
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    why such bad reviews

    So you folks who think the magazines are biased against the ST because of another brands advertizing dollars…what do you think they should be saying? “While being less powerful throughout the entire rev range and neutered in the first three gears, we think the slow revving parallel twin is all...
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    Shopping for a move up...

    I have over 10,000 miles on each of the bikes you're looking at. Less, easier and faster maintenance is the EXP. The first valve check is sooner but then the schedule for checking the valves is similar to the ST. The EXP is a better road bike and even more so two up. More motor. More...
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    Service Manual *SOLD*

    Re: Service Manual/washers/Yam filter...more Pm's sent.
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    Service Manual *SOLD*

    Re: Service Manual/washers/Yam filter...more All the items mentioned in the original post (I have the service manual for the S10, Yamaha oil filter, crush washers for the crankcase and the final drive, clutch fluid cover plate/gasket/screws. All new except the manual...it's used but perfect)...
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    Service Manual *SOLD*

    Local sale...thanks!
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    Best Street Oriented Tires?

    Interesting how there can be such a difference in the amount of wear we see as a group...I understand different road surfaces and riding style but still... I'm perfectly happy with the BW's that came on the bike. Over 10,000 miles and I'm not on the wear bars yet. The rear is squaring off but...
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