Thanks for all the info snakebitten. I have been on the fence about getting a flash and now I will definitely get it done. Yes, I have had mine on some steep long hills off road. When I first got my S10 it was almost impossible to ride the thing off road at slow speeds. Even low speed parking lot maneuvers were tough. I experienced the same off idle stumble you referred to. The TB sync, air screw, CO setting and throttle cable adjustments helped quite a bit, but still not quite right. I was hesitant on getting the reflash because my bike is under YES warranty for at least 2 more years.
Is this true?
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1. Not to start another warranty thread, but the re-flash is not a sure-bet threat to your warranty.
2. My 5 years of warranty is up. As are ALL the guys that received their PDP bikes together. Warranty played little or no part in the reliability of 90% of our Teneres.
Regardless, I was convinced after a few trips that this could be one of those rare bikes for me. Rare, in that it promised to be so much more than I expected if I got it sorted just right.
I went a little overboard perhaps, but no regrets.
Tell ya what. Get it re-flashed.
If afterwards you sincerely believe it was not worth every penny, I'll reimburse ya!
(one caveat. We gotta meet at some mountain climb and the reimbursement is transacted at the summit. Lol That would make it worth every penny to me too)
1. Not to start another warranty thread, but the re-flash is not a sure-bet threat to your warranty.
2. My 5 years of warranty is up. As are ALL the guys that received their PDP bikes together. Warranty played little or no part in the reliability of 90% of our Teneres.
Regardless, I was convinced after a few trips that this could be one of those rare bikes for me. Rare, in that it promised to be so much more than I expected if I got it sorted just right.
I went a little overboard perhaps, but no regrets.
Tell ya what. Get it re-flashed.
If afterwards you sincerely believe it was not worth every penny, I'll reimburse ya!
(one caveat. We gotta meet at some mountain climb and the reimbursement is transacted at the summit. Lol That would make it worth every penny to me too)
bob dirt
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I'm not bored. This is my favorite bike to ride and it is bone stock. No need to make it faster for me. I bought my first Tenere (2012) used with 20 some miles on it at 8 month's old. I wanted tubeless tires and a driveshaft. I only bought it to ride to Prudoe Bay and back from my house. Part of my bucket list. I was going to sell it when I got back. That didn't happen and now I have a 2016 with cruise control. Didn't want the ES. I haven't moved my suspension since I bought it. Don't see it being needed. The bike is fully capable of anything on or offroad needed by me. Maintenance is easy although I haven't done the valve check yet. The bike will wheelie and haul ass over whoops...what else do you need?
This review reminds me of the Amazon one I just read for sandstone drink coasters...one guy gave it 1 star because they were broken when he got them delivered. I'll give them 5 stars because they soak up water really good.
5 stars for the Tenere also. Don't care if it's the heaviest or the slowest, which it isn't...YMMV
This review reminds me of the Amazon one I just read for sandstone drink coasters...one guy gave it 1 star because they were broken when he got them delivered. I'll give them 5 stars because they soak up water really good.
5 stars for the Tenere also. Don't care if it's the heaviest or the slowest, which it isn't...YMMV
snakebitten said:
Define boring. Something about "it's not the destination, but the journey" or not where you're going, but how you get there. I've NEVER bought anything that I have HAD to constantly work on. I am supremely confidant that I will have to REALY F-up to break this bike. And to confirm, the ECU re-flash, only applies to GEN 1? Because I was in "S" the other day, attempting a quick start, and if it wasn't for the traction control saving my bacon....The bike actually tried to leap up and forward. Full throttle was obviously available just off idle. Even the FJR has never done that; it either rockets off or spins the tire. (TCS on the FJR seems WAY different) I am NEVER bored on the Tenere, even when I'm doing "boring" stuff.
Defekticon
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Still have 3 years of warranty left, no regrets with headers, re-tune, pcv, autotune, akrapovic, protaper bars, etc.magic said:
They have to prove your mod caused the failure. I think the only thing I'm even remotely worried about is the ABS pump. The engine is just dead reliable. There are no pattern failures that I'm aware of on this bike.
I also own a Ford F-350 with the 6.7. now THAT I fear even not using FoMoCo/Motorcraft brand replacement parts....
Privately, I've received some comments about me calling the bike "boring." I thought I'd expand.
There's not a thing wrong with the S10. It isn't for me, but but that doesn't mean that it's a bad bike, or that anyone else would find it boring too.
For me, the Super Tenere just isn't thrilling; I was so bored with the bike that I nearly quit riding after a year of ownership of the Super Tenere. I went from riding my past bikes 20,000+ miles per year to barely riding the Super Tenere 4,000 miles per year. I found it to lack soul, and not be thrilling to me. It seemed like I was riding a tool rather than riding a toy, no matter how hard I TRIED to love it.
Part of my issue is that I owned a Gen 1, and it lacked some of the things I appreciate on a bike; electronic suspension, cruise control, GPS integration, etc. I also didn't find it ergonomically comfortable. So for me, it came down to selling my bike at what would be a $5000 loss, and then buying a Gen 2 and hoping that it's better. Or, spend $4,000 more to buy the GS, but know that the bike was going to please me, and bring a smile to my face.
Love what you ride, whatever it is!
There's not a thing wrong with the S10. It isn't for me, but but that doesn't mean that it's a bad bike, or that anyone else would find it boring too.
For me, the Super Tenere just isn't thrilling; I was so bored with the bike that I nearly quit riding after a year of ownership of the Super Tenere. I went from riding my past bikes 20,000+ miles per year to barely riding the Super Tenere 4,000 miles per year. I found it to lack soul, and not be thrilling to me. It seemed like I was riding a tool rather than riding a toy, no matter how hard I TRIED to love it.
Part of my issue is that I owned a Gen 1, and it lacked some of the things I appreciate on a bike; electronic suspension, cruise control, GPS integration, etc. I also didn't find it ergonomically comfortable. So for me, it came down to selling my bike at what would be a $5000 loss, and then buying a Gen 2 and hoping that it's better. Or, spend $4,000 more to buy the GS, but know that the bike was going to please me, and bring a smile to my face.
Love what you ride, whatever it is!
dietDrThunder
Why so serious, son?
What are these other bikes that have a service interval that is significantly more than 26,000 miles? My bike has about 42,000 miles on it, and I have the dealer do brake fluid maintenance and valve adjustments, and I still haven't crested $1,000 total in all dealer maint. costs. I think I'm at about $875 right now.SPX said:
Also, I guess you're saying that Yamaha dealer labor rates are higher than those of other OEM dealers? I don't think so. IMO this idea that the Tenere is expensive to maintain is not accurate.
markbxr400
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I've had lots of bikes, dirt bikes, touring cruisers, sport cruisers, touring sport bikes, etc . Liked and disliked things about each bike. The S10 is not a great dirt bike, but I can take it offroad, just not places that I would take my KTM 450EXC. It's really heavy, and for me is dangerous on loose sand. I'm running Mitas E07's. I like riding it along two-tracks, but won't take it on single tracks. I like it on-road, probably about as well as I've liked any on-road bike that I have owned. Runs smooth, and has plenty of power. It's not as comfortable as my touring cruisers with backrests, highway pegs, etc, but it is pretty comfortable. It handles well at relatively good speeds in the tight twists, even on the E07's. My son is an aggressive rider on a KTM 690 Supermoto, but I can almost keep up with him (say within 30 seconds) on a pass through the Tail of the Dragon.
Maintenance costs, as I do my own, are very low on the S10. I only have had my 2013 that I bought new, about 7 months and have 8,000 miles on it now. I have not had 1 single problem of any type so far, and I push it pretty hard.
Overall, very happy with the S10. I looked at the Triumph Explorer and the BMW, but went with the S10 due to what I read about reliability and maintenance costs (not to mention purchase price).
Is it boring? Never. But I can't think of a single bike I have ever owned that I thought was boring. Now, is it sexy? No.
Just my .02.
Maintenance costs, as I do my own, are very low on the S10. I only have had my 2013 that I bought new, about 7 months and have 8,000 miles on it now. I have not had 1 single problem of any type so far, and I push it pretty hard.
Overall, very happy with the S10. I looked at the Triumph Explorer and the BMW, but went with the S10 due to what I read about reliability and maintenance costs (not to mention purchase price).
Is it boring? Never. But I can't think of a single bike I have ever owned that I thought was boring. Now, is it sexy? No.
Just my .02.
The service interval for the Super Tenere is every 4,000 miles. Valves are every 26,000 miles.dietDrThunder said:
Yamaha dealer labor rates seem to be comparable to other brands. That said, having owned adventure bikes, including two Super Tenere's and one GS, and getting all of my maintenance done by the dealer, I'm in a good position to positively say that the Super Tenere costs more to maintain than the GS, if you maintain both bikes by the book.dietDrThunder said:
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RonH
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So what is less about the BMW cost? Tenere every 4000 miles is basically an oil change. Of course other bits like checking spokes. I guess the GS needs spokes checked and oil changed as well, but longer than the 4000 mile interval the Tenere? Admittedly I got ruined for life by owning a 1990 R1000 BMW that dealer service meant basically take it in with zero problems, pick it up with three, and $300.00 for that bit of expert service.
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RonH
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I downloaded the 2016 GS owners manual and don't see why the BMW is so much less to maintain, it has 6000 mile oil change interval vs the Yamaha 4000 miles. BMW valve service every 12,000 miles vs the Yamaha at 26,000, but BMW is easier, so doing it 2x to once on the Yamaha is cheaper? All other items look basically similar, spokes, final drive oil, air filter, plugs. So where does the Yamaha cost more? I would guess a BMW oil filter alone would cost enough, along with the 5w40 oil recomendation, which means synthetic, more than cancels out the extra 2000 miles in oil change interval?
I don't doubt the BMW may be more exciting, but the maintenance costs being less at dealer seems rather ludicrous.
I don't doubt the BMW may be more exciting, but the maintenance costs being less at dealer seems rather ludicrous.
Here's a post from AdvRider that sums it up nicely.
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/why-is-it-10-000-more-gs-vs-s10.1124675/page-17#post-31808526
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/why-is-it-10-000-more-gs-vs-s10.1124675/page-17#post-31808526
It only seems ludicrous. Reality for folks who own(ed) both bikes is something else. Where I live hourly rates for Yamaha are the same as BMW and it takes longer to do the maintenance on the Tenere. Consumables for the BMW at 12k (air filter/oil filter/spark plugs) -I don't remember exactly but its about 60-70 bucks. Lets say that is more than the Tenere consumables (I don't remember) but whatever the difference its not enough to sway the numbers when the hourly rate adds up...I'll explain. At about 12k miles when one is changing the plugs on the Tenere the valves need to be done on the BMW. I can change the air filter/plugs/check the valves on the BMW in about the same amount of time as doing the plugs on the Tenere. The next interval when the valves are due on the Tenere...there is no comparison.RonH said:
The reality for me is that the Tenere will cost more to maintain at the dealer by the time you get to 30k miles. If one is doing all the work themselves it takes significantly more time on the Tenere but it could be done with a little less money than the BMW -whatever the cost difference of the consumables.
SPX said:
That post got argued back and forth and it doesn't factor in reliability and cost of repairs, where I've personally experienced the Yamaha being the BMW Recovery Vehicle more than once. But if somebody is going to worry about the 30,000 mile cost of ownership they need to be driving a Nissan Leaf or on a Chinese scooter, not on a 1200cc motorcycle of any brand.
Defekticon
Active Member
Don't forget to add in the cost of recovery, towing and labor to get your bike back to the dealer the first time you need a trail-side repair when you ride that bike off-road. I'd imagine if someone were that cost conscious, they would probably just use the GSA and S10 as a touring bike, never pay for off-road training, or buy knobbies/enduro tires.Checkswrecks said:
OR we could all just admit personal preference plays into the decision just as much as sticker shock on the sales invoice.
WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
Seems like the BMW may be cheaper to maintain if you ignore reliability and don't keep the bike beyond the warranty period. I do almost all my own maintenance and keep bikes 10+ years and 100,000+ miles. Wonder how the cost of ownership comparison falls out then? let's also not forget the difference in initial purchase price.
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Sounds like if them BMW riders are correct , I would be totally broke by now.
I see many posts mentioning how pleasantly surprised they are with the reliability of their Yamaha. I have to assume that these comments are from riders that are transferring from non-Japanese bikes. Of all the Japanese bikes I have ridden/owned, Honda/Yamaha/Kawi, I have NEVER had ANY warranty work performed. I don't believe that experience is rare. I loved my Beemer, until it started requiring thousands of dollars worth of repairs. In its defense, it was worked like a rented mule. BUT, the Honda and Kawis were driven just as hard. All they needed was basic maintenance. I too find it hard to believe the cost of ownership is more for the Yamaha; MY experience shows otherwise. It does worry me some when I see Tenere owners talking about their problems with the bike. It makes me wonder if the latest "tech" is the problem.
mrpete64
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Re: Is this true? NO!
I have owned four BMW's in two plus years. Nice bikes...but...to maintain them was VERY expensive. I have 21,000+ miles on my '14ES and besides tires and oil changes I can say, from my perspective, my Tenere is very cheap to run. Not one problem to date. I cannot say that about my BMW's. I do like the new GS a lot but could not see the price difference in price for what I was looking for. The BMW was a nice bike. But..so is my Tenere. Both of these bikes are what I call "DirtWings." Neither bike is something that one would want to take "truly" off road...in my opinion. Both are just too big and heavy.
Bikes are like women...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I wanted something dependable...and NOT a goldwing! If you are looking for fast then buy a KTM or...Ducati. I get passed by them all the time. I put along around 70-75 on the road and enjoy the electronic suspension and cruise control.
I rode my bike from New York to California, last September, and it worked perfectly for 11,000+ miles.
I have owned four BMW's in two plus years. Nice bikes...but...to maintain them was VERY expensive. I have 21,000+ miles on my '14ES and besides tires and oil changes I can say, from my perspective, my Tenere is very cheap to run. Not one problem to date. I cannot say that about my BMW's. I do like the new GS a lot but could not see the price difference in price for what I was looking for. The BMW was a nice bike. But..so is my Tenere. Both of these bikes are what I call "DirtWings." Neither bike is something that one would want to take "truly" off road...in my opinion. Both are just too big and heavy.
Bikes are like women...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I wanted something dependable...and NOT a goldwing! If you are looking for fast then buy a KTM or...Ducati. I get passed by them all the time. I put along around 70-75 on the road and enjoy the electronic suspension and cruise control.
I rode my bike from New York to California, last September, and it worked perfectly for 11,000+ miles.