Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

[plugugly]

Sounds like lots of good progress, good work. I've got a couple of clarifying questions, if you could.

The Versys switch is $40? And what do you think the "adapter" solution is going to be? I haven't taken any of this apart, are there open positions in the yamaha factory plug to wire to? Or do you need to lop that plug off and wire something new?

 

[Cerenkov]

I picked up the switch from eBay for $40, used. Looking around Kawasaki parts places online, it's around $95 new. I guess there's not enough wrecked Versys' (Versi?) that switches are common. $40 was the cheapest one. It's still cheaper than the $195+ shipping from Germany for a European Tenere switch.

So far that I can tell, wiring will be entirely inside the Tenere switch. Making edit #3 to the post I just made about another thing I found in the Versys circuits (which are completely unneeded on the Tenere)

It'll basically be removing the guts from the Tenere switch and putting it inside the Versys switch, with some soldering inside the switch to connect the two extra buttons the Tenere doesn't have (hazards and flash-to-pass) they'll be soldered inside the switch.

 

[plugugly]

Ahhh, okay. Jumper the switches, I see. I'm a visual person, if you have the time when you are doing it take a few pictures, please. In the mean time, I'll look for versys switches. All years will work, or is there a certain year?

 

[Cerenkov]

I'll let you know, and I'll get some photos. I was cross-referencing part numbers for the Versys switch, and there was a change, so if you do find one, till I do some more research I'd say stay early as possible. 2009.

I'll finish the project up tomorrow and get some photos. ::008::

 

[Dallara]

My Versys switch showed up today...

First of all, Cerenkov - Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to forge the trail on this mod. I really appreciate it. ::008::

I do have one question perhaps you can answer, since you've seen both switches *up close and personal"... So to speak.

My real interest in this mod is primarily for the "Flash-to-Pass" button. I use that a ton on other bikes I've had that have had the feature and I love it. However, I've never needed 4-way flashers on a motorcycle and though it's no doubt a wonderful safety feature under the right circumstances it's just really not a "must have" for me, so I am wondering about using the Versys' switch's 4-way hazard button to perhaps switch on/off something else, like perhaps some driving lights.

From what you've seen inside the Versys switch and how you plan to adapt it to the Super Tenere, how difficult or involved would it be to wire into the 4-way hazard button, and get the wires out of the switch assembly separately, but cleanly, for use with something else?

Just so you know, I've pretty good soldering skills and experience, and a couple of great Hakko soldering irons/stations, so I don't mind any soldering chores it may involve.

Thanks again for tackling this task, and I appreciate any insight you can give to my questions.

Dallara



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[Cerenkov]

The hazard switch has 5 connection points. Two are connected when the switch is OFF. The other 3 are connected when the switch is ON. (with the OFF circuit being disconnected)

The solder points are large and easy to work with, no circuit boards, just large brass rivets.

Getting wires out is easy, there's lots of room inside the switch, and lots of room where the wires leave the switch.

I will haw photos tomorrow so you can see it.

 

[Podman]

good stuff ::017:: ::018::

 

[Cerenkov]

Let me preface this with this is NOT a write up. This is also not an easy mod if you can't solder. You will probably need a soldering stand (Helping Hands at Radio Shack) because getting everything in position is a pain. (I also didn't take any photos of the during, because really, it's straightforward)

ok, I have everything wired up, I've take some photos of some before bits, and I have photos at the end. This is more of a "This is what I did, it can be done, there's more than one way to skin a cat".

I will also say, it will probably be significantly easier if you spliced wires down the harness instead of at each switch. I did it this way, it's done already, but if I was to do it again I would splice the wires instead.

I used:
Tenere signal switch
Tenere high-beam switch
Versys horn switch
Versys Flash-to-Pass
Versys hazard switch
Versys housings

First photo is of the Versys signal switch since I didn't take a photo of the Tenere switch, even though I used the Tenere switch.

If anything is unclear, just ask, I'll try and explain it better. ::008::

 

[mingo]

Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

Canadian S10's are Euro spec'd and have the 4 way flasher button. I could enquire as to the cost of a left switch cluster.

 

[EricV]

Re: Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

Canadian S10's are Euro spec'd and have the 4 way flasher button. I could enquire as to the cost of a left switch cluster.

Yes please. The wiring may not be useable for the US bikes, but a part number and cost would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

 

[stevepsd]

Re: Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

Canadian S10's are Euro spec'd and have the 4 way flasher button. I could enquire as to the cost of a left switch cluster.

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Does the Canadian version have the flash-to-pass switch as well?

 

[BWC]

Canadian version dosen't have the flash to pass or 4 way flasher feature. Priced one when I bought the bike $165.00 and they couldn't assure me it would be a plug and play affair.
Picked up this used switch to have a look at using it to replace the left switch cluster. Off an 09 Suzuki Hayabusa.
With my limited electrical knowledge I don't know how far I'll get. So far all I can see it has the same manufacturer logo cast into it as the Tenere. A possible future project at this time.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Re: Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

Canadian S10's are Euro spec'd and have the 4 way flasher button. I could enquire as to the cost of a left switch cluster.

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Why? The very first post in this thread already has the Euro part numbers, prices, and even a contact for you!


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[EricV]

Re: Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

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Why? The very first post in this thread already has the Euro part numbers, prices, and even a contact for you!

Because no one wants to spend $200+ USD for a switch housing that's still not plug and play. O

Canadian would be cheaper, but if it doesn't have the flasher or flash to pass, (odd that it wouldn't, since they are usually EU spec), then there is no point.

 

[pqsqac]

So I'm confused one post says the Canadian bikes have the buttons and one post says they don't which is it?

 

[mingo]

So I'm confused one post says the Canadian bikes have the buttons and one post says they don't which is it?

The Canadian model does NOT have the 4 way flasher and flash to pass button. When I first saw the bike in Canada, it did have it, but it must have been a European bike brought in for shows. Canadian bikes are usually Euro spec, but since flash to pass is not something people use here, they must have deleted it for the reason. So that's my mistake. Since dealers around here don't stock the S10, I happened to meet an owner this weekend and his bike did not have it. Canadian bikes have the immobilizer, but not the 4 way flasher button.

Yes, if the CDN model had it, the cost would most likely be less than the European part.

 

[erenet]

I'm in Europe now, 160€ for the left switch cluste, if it's not plug and play, what do I nead to do to have it working properly?

 

[Checkswrecks]

I'm in Europe now, 160€ for the left switch cluste, if it's not plug and play, what do I nead to do to have it working properly?

That's the big question!


Nobody has tried to mate up a Euro switch cluster to a US bike. We know from the FJR that while the bikes may be nearly identical, the Euro versions had 2 connectors for the left switch cluster, versus the US single connector. We found other "gotcha" variations, too.


Schematics are good to a certain point, but sooner or later somebody will need to actually try to plug a Euro cluster's harness into a US bike, or vice versa. The US$250 gamble was too much for me the last time I was over there.

 

[erenet]

That's the big question!


Nobody has tried to mate up a Euro switch cluster to a US bike. We know from the FJR that while the bikes may be nearly identical, the Euro versions had 2 connectors for the left switch cluster, versus the US single connector. We found other "gotcha" variations, too.


Schematics are good to a certain point, but sooner or later somebody will need to actually try to plug a Euro cluster's harness into a US bike, or vice versa. The US$250 gamble was too much for me the last time I was over there.

Thanks, would it help if I take a picture of the Euro cluster harnes and post it here for you to compare, or has it been done already? I'm not sure I read it here.
I can ask the Yamaha dealer here to help me with pictures and schematics.

 

[mingo]

If you're able to post pics, someone here would be able to compare it to the US bike's switch.

However, remember that the Canadian Tenere is more of a Euro spec bike, than a US spec bike. It has the immobilizer and a metric speedo / temp / mileage calculator just like Euro bikes. The only thing it's missing is the 4 way flasher / flash to pass switch, so it might be a plug and play on your CDN spec'd bike.