Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

[Tremor38]

That's the big question!


Nobody has tried to mate up a Euro switch cluster to a US bike. We know from the FJR that while the bikes may be nearly identical, the Euro versions had 2 connectors for the left switch cluster, versus the US single connector. We found other "gotcha" variations, too.


Schematics are good to a certain point, but sooner or later somebody will need to actually try to plug a Euro cluster's harness into a US bike, or vice versa. The US$250 gamble was too much for me the last time I was over there.

I see in the Euro schematic a connector with 2 rows of 5 pins; is that the same on the U.S. spec bikes? On the non-switch cluster side of that connector, you would have to verify that there are 2 yellow wires comining out...then verify there is only one yellow wire on the switch-cluster side of that same connector leaving one pin unused opposite of one of the yellow wires. If so, I don't see any reason it shouldn't be plug-n-play. The Euro switch cluster harness has a wire for each of the yellow wires (high beam and flash-to-pass). If you only have one yellow wire on either side of the connector, then you'll have some very easy peasy wiring to do which inolves joining the flash to pass wire with the high beam wire via positap or similar device.

 

[AndyCBR]

I bought a Euro left hand switch from Japan when I was ordering some side panels so the shipping was gratis. The switch cost me about $130 US at the time.

It is not 100% plug and play. I plugged it in and everything works except the flash to pass as there is a white/yellow wire in the connector that does not exist in the US connector (center of top row shown in pics). This space is empty on both sides of the connector in the US bike.

Without both diagrams not sure what it would take to wire from the back end. The white/yellow wire goes back to the flash to pass button on the handswitch. Perhaps there is a separate activation circuit with a diode or something because it is physically possible to activate the high beam switch and trigger the flash to pass button simultaneously.

I'm heading out for a 7k mile trip in 2 weeks so it will have to be a project for another day for me but seems like it is doable if one knows how the euro bikes energize the high beam shutter from the F2P button.

Hope this helps.
Andy

 

[mingo]

Thanks for the info.. I'd get that switch just to have the 4 way flasher.. I don't understand why they deleted this from north american bikes.. I was looking at the Versys 1000 and it has a 4 way flasher button on the left switch cluster, so Kawi thinks we know how to use it..

 

[Tremor38]

Re: Re: Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

I bought a Euro left hand switch from Japan when I was ordering some side panels so the shipping was gratis. The switch cost me about $130 US at the time.

It is not 100% plug and play. I plugged it in and everything works except the flash to pass as there is a white/yellow wire in the connector that does not exist in the US connector (center of top row shown in pics). This space is empty on both sides of the connector in the US bike.

Without both diagrams not sure what it would take to wire from the back end. The white/yellow wire goes back to the flash to pass button on the handswitch. Perhaps there is a separate activation circuit with a diode or something because it is physically possible to activate the high beam switch and trigger the flash to pass button simultaneously.

I'm heading out for a 7k mile trip in 2 weeks so it will have to be a project for another day for me but seems like it is doable if one knows how the euro bikes energize the high beam shutter from the F2P button.

Hope this helps.
Andy

No diode. The wires simply are joined together after the non switch side of the connector because they are going to the same place (high beam shutter solenoids). You could accomplish this either prior to or after the connector because they eventually merge into a single yellow wire that goes to the shutters anyway.

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[tomatocity]

Re: Re: Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

No diode. The wires simply are joined together after the non switch side of the connector because they are going to the same place (high beam shutter solenoids). You could accomplish this either prior to or after the connector because they eventually merge into a single yellow wire that goes to the shutters anyway.

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Any drawings (please) of the corrected wiring?

 

[Kevhunts]

Looks like you just need to connect the white w/yellow wire to the yellow wire.

 

[AndyCBR]

Looks like you just need to connect the white w/yellow wire to the yellow wire.

When I get back from my trip I will jumper these wires together with some positaps to test it out and confirm if it works as stated (jumper white/yellow with yellow) and report back on this thread.

Thanks,
Andy

 

[Checkswrecks]

Oh, it'll work, since the flash is just a parallel momentary contact switch to the existing factory hi/low rocker.

 

[Tremor38]

Oh, it'll work, since the flash is just a parallel momentary contact switch to the existing factory hi/low rocker.

::008::

 

[Motor301]

Subscribed.

When someone finds a cheaper source for the Euro switch, I'll be all over this. The hazard switch is something I find very useful.

 

[mingo]

Subscribed.

When someone finds a cheaper source for the Euro switch, I'll be all over this. The hazard switch is something I find very useful.

The US switch is listed at $76, the Euro switch from Japan, AndyCBR says it's $130.. Not really a bank breaking difference, if you have to have the 4 way flasher button. Why it's not on our bikes, is beyond logic, it certainly doesn't jive with Yamaha's desire to be seen as a premium Japanese brand. Kawasaki includes it on their US bikes.

 

[Dallara]

The US switch is listed at $76, the Euro switch from Japan, AndyCBR says it's $130.. Not really a bank breaking difference, if you have to have the 4 way flasher button. Why it's not on our bikes, is beyond logic, it certainly doesn't jive with Yamaha's desire to be seen as a premium Japanese brand. Kawasaki includes it on their US bikes.

What's really weird, and I've said it before, is that it probably costs Yamaha *MORE* money to have the bikes set up different with those switches... Having to source two different switches in their parts inventory, build different harnesses for the two different bikes and inventory those two different pieces, having to print the service and owners manuals differently, etc., etc., etc. I can't see where it saves them a dime to build the US models without the hazard and FTP buttons.

It's not just "beyond logic" that the US bikes don't have the same switch, it's stupid and less cost effective.

Maybe one day someone from Yamaha will see this thread and at least try and chime in with some sort of remotely plausible explanation. Probably about the time hogs fly...

http://www.skyray.us/

Whoops! Well there ya' go! Hogs do fly! So hey, Yamaha... How come US models don't get the *good* switch?

In the meantime, can anybody set up some sort of *group buy* to get some Euro-switches out of Japan, or elsewhere, for around that $130 buck figure?

Dallara



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[Motor301]

In the meantime, can anybody set up some sort of *group buy* to get some Euro-switches out of Japan, or elsewhere, for around that $130 buck figure?

Dallara

I have a couple inquiries out, will let you know if anything pans out.

 

[Dallara]

I have a couple inquiries out, will let you know if anything pans out.

Outstanding! I'm "in" if we can get 'em reliably, etc. ::008::

Thanks!!!

Dallara


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[bahill]

I would like to see this available also. . ::008::.


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[Buckeye56]

+3! Having had 4ways on the ST1300 I find the lack of same on the Tenere a fairly major short-coming.

 

[Tremor38]

+3! Having had 4ways on the ST1300 I find the lack of same on the Tenere a fairly major short-coming.

Yeah, I don't use my flash 2 pass very often, but use my 4-ways quite frequently. Anything from stopping on the side of the road to don rain gear to answering a phone, the increased visibility is reassuring.

 

[Motor301]

I can't belive I didn't post in this thread..

I wasn't able to find a good enough price for me to get a euro switch. But, I did find a Versys switch on eBay for $30, so I followed the diagrams/pictures in this thread and got it all wired up.

 

[EricV]

I can't belive I didn't post in this thread..

I wasn't able to find a good enough price for me to get a euro switch. But, I did find a Versys switch on eBay for $30, so I followed the diagrams/pictures in this thread and got it all wired up.

How much was compatible? Clutch switch plug? Main plug? Or did you just cut off the Yamaha plug and splice that into the Versys unit?

 

[Tremor38]

How much was compatible? Clutch switch plug? Main plug? Or did you just cut off the Yamaha plug and splice that into the Versys unit?

+1. I'm also interested just for curiousity purposes. That cluster looks almost like a carbon copy if my OEM SA spec S10 cluster.