Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

EricV

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I understand, we all have lives and the usual stuff that gets in the way of our projects. But dayam, I could have used the flashers yesterday! Had to do a quickie stop on the freeway and make sure the SO was ok, and all that high speed traffic really would have normally dictated some 4-way use, but no such animal on the S10. :(

We're all over it if you can make it happen, but do understand how life gets in the way. Hope all is going well and some garage time is in your future.
 

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Checkswrecks said:
Project got back burnered to move homes and with work travel going back into high gear. The parts are in the garage, I'm just hardly there. It'll get done this Winter or Spring but I now have some hotter priorities for the time.


If somebody else has an idea, go for it!

Send the parts to me, it's effing winter here!
 

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I have interest to,
My Ducati SS900 has flash to pass from the factory,I dont use it much for passing, but all the time at intersection crossings.
 

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Leopard_125 said:
I have interest to,
My Ducati SS900 has flash to pass from the factory,I dont use it much for passing, but all the time at intersection crossings.
Double plus one on that Flash To Pass switch.
Yea send the parts to MN, it is winter there, plenty of time left to tinker in a warm garage ...
Best, DT

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EricV said:
I understand, we all have lives and the usual stuff that gets in the way of our projects. But dayam, I could have used the flashers yesterday! Had to do a quickie stop on the freeway and make sure the SO was ok, and all that high speed traffic really would have normally dictated some 4-way use, but no such animal on the S10. :(

We're all over it if you can make it happen, but do understand how life gets in the way. Hope all is going well and some garage time is in your future.
I was wandering around looking at various flasher minders... Kisan makes the one I'm going to get. One of it's features is to give you four way flashers. No changes to the switches, it's just there when needed.
 

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Don in Lodi said:
I was wandering around looking at various flasher minders... Kisan makes the one I'm going to get. One of it's features is to give you four way flashers. No changes to the switches, it's just there when needed.
C'mon Don, you know better than that. Link? (you know I'm too lazy to look it up)
 

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tomatocity said:
https://www.kisantech.com/index.php?cat_id=4

Am I doing something wrong by posting a complete link to the product information? If so, my bad. If not, enjoy the link.

Who knows what parts are needed for the addition of the signalMinder?
You're not doing anything wrong, Don & I were just having some evening fun. ::008:: And thanks! Not for me, but for every other person that reads the thread, and can now just click the link to check out what is being talked about.

Went and looked at the Kissan site. They make some nice products and have a pretty fair rep from people I know that have used them. Still, I don't really care for auto signal canceling. Just me, not any big deal. I don't have problems leaving them on because I've never had a bike other than the '05 RK that had that feature. I don't like it when they shut off early either. Not sure it's worth the $110 and getting a feature I don't want, just to get the four way flashers.

The SO has this feature on her BMW and sometimes I see her signals on for long enough after the turn that it confuses other drivers/riders because she is signaling for a turn coming up, then doesn't turn. They don't know it's still on from her previous turn.
 

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tomatocity said:
https://www.kisantech.com/index.php?cat_id=4

Am I doing something wrong by posting a complete link to the product information? If so, my bad. If not, enjoy the link.

Who knows what parts are needed for the addition of the signalMinder?
LOL, it plugs right into the same five pin connector that your current flasher is in. For the brake light features it's going to take a splice from the looks of it.
 

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Don in Lodi said:
LOL, it plugs right into the same five pin connector that your current flasher is in. For the brake light features it's going to take a splice from the looks of it.
Five pin connector? Good luck finding that. Ours is a 2-pin. 8)
 

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Tremor38 said:
Five pin connector? Good luck finding that. Ours is a 2-pin. 8)
You made me go take my side cover off... It seems I was mis-informed:

Don,
SM-4 is the signalMinder for Tenere XT1200. It replaces the 5-pin stock turn signal flasher and gives you the option of 10, 20 or 30 second time-out. After you hook-up both turn signal and brake wires you get Running lights, 4-Way flash, Escort mode flash and Brake flash.
https://www.kisantech.com/view_product.php?product=SM-4
Andy

Sorry about that everybody! :-[
 

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Don in Lodi said:
You made me go take my side cover off... It seems I was mis-informed:

Don,
SM-4 is the signalMinder for Tenere XT1200. It replaces the 5-pin stock turn signal flasher and gives you the option of 10, 20 or 30 second time-out. After you hook-up both turn signal and brake wires you get Running lights, 4-Way flash, Escort mode flash and Brake flash.
https://www.kisantech.com/view_product.php?product=SM-4
Andy

Sorry about that everybody! :-[
:D Either the guy had his wires crossed or was talking straight out is butt. Getting a visual on the connector -as you did- is the best bet against ordering the wrong part. Pretty flippant on the salesman's part though. :mad:
 

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Gotta admit tho, that SM-4 covers a lot of Yamahas. That is a strange little two pin we've got.
 

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Cerenkov said:
Did anyone ever figure out how to wire up the euro FtP switch?

Am I going to have to take up the torch? :D

Unfortunately, the answer is yes. I started on this and the project got side tracked by the rest of life. Something about separation, divorce, & moving are taking a bit of time and attention.


Anyway, I got my switch cluster new from a Chinese importer on EBay, as the Euro parts price is pretty high. You could also start with the left switch cluster from a GSXR Suzuki, as they had both the flash and hazard switch.
 

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Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I hope will start looking up for you soon.
 

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Understandable, Checkswrecks.

I'll hunt around for the Chinese one, and also there's a Versys switch up there for $40, as well.

I'll keep you all informed. ::008::
 

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I'm thinking about picking up the reigns on this one. Is the "Hazard" and "F2P" switching just done inside the hand control? If so, ANY bike switch set can easily be wired in.

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My Versys switch showed up today. So far I can guarantee it's from the same manufacturer, the housing is exactly the same, just with the flasher and hazard buttons. It has the clutch switch connector as well. Even the handlebar detention pin is the same.

It has 12 wires in the Versys connector, which is different from the Tenere connector. I haven't gotten into the wiring side of it yet. The harness is also shorter than the Tenere harness.

From looking at the inside of the switches, as long as there's no more wires that need to be run, it'll be easiest to swap the wires inside the switch instead of changing the plug at the end.

EDIT: I lied, I broke into the switches.

The mechanisms for all the switches is the same, HOWEVER, the internals are very different as far as wiring.

The Tenere uses 7 wires (plus 2 for clutch switch) so 9 wires at the plug under the right side panel)
The Versys uses 15 individual wires inside the switch (plus 2 for clutch switch), but some of the wires are redundant, so only 12 terminate at the plug.

MAJOR differences:

High beam: Versys uses 3 wires, Tenere uses 2.
Signals: Versys uses 5 (and 5 for hazards, but only 6 unique wire colors), Tenere uses 3.

Breaking out the volt meter, the Tenere high beam switch is a normally open circuit till you flip the high beams on, then the circuit is closed, so it assumes you want low beams until you tell it high beams. This also means that with some simple wiring, we can add in the flash-to-pass just by connecting to the high beam wires. Simple.

With the signals, being a 3-wire switch is super easy as well, once I figure out the circuit inside the Versys switch. The Tenere switch, if you bridge both circuits, all 4 lights flash, so it's a dead-simple circuit. All we need to do with the hazards is make sure it does that. The Versys is doing it with 5 wires, the Tenere only needs three.

Cliff notes: Still working on it, but adding the Versys switch will be very simple, most will just be moving the internal switches to the Versys housing, so you won't even need to disconnect the Tenere switch from the harness.

EDIT2: Cut the sleeving off the Versys switch so I could see what wires spliced together inside the sleeving. The flash-to-pass wiring is wired in exactly how we'll do it on the Tenere, the wires are just spliced in down the harness, the two wires to the FTP switch are different colored than the high-beam wires, but they connect together in the harness.

EDIT3: More volt meter stuff. The 5-wire signal and hazard switch inside the Versys has a ground circuit for when the switch is NOT active, for some reason. i.e., when the hazards are not on, there is a closed circuit telling the bike that the switch is off. Same with the turn signals, which is why they are 5-wires vs the Tenere's 3-wire. We can completely ignore these circuits (and this is where the 3 extra wires come from in the Versys plug)

EDIT4: Horn switch is different, but that's simple to desolder from the Versys switch and solder to the Tenere wires. The highbeam switch mounts the same, as does the turn signal switch.
 
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