Ordering a left switch cluster to have a Euro hazard & flash to pass

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I need to figure out a way to get photos out of my work Blackberry to post, but till then...

As discussed in prior threads, the non-US version of the left handlebar switch cluster has two switches not found on the US clusters. There is a hazard pushbutton on the back and a flash to pass switch on the front. So, first observation is that both housings are different. Again, I have photos coming.

The harness disappeared under the fuel tank, so I could not get a look at the connectors, which is REALLY important. The US and Euro microfiches make the connectors look identical but if somebody buys the Euro part there may be a physical difference. They would then need to splice wires to make the Euro cluster work. If somebody does get a Euro cluster to put on a US bike, PLEASE post up and let people know how it works.

The US part without the switches is part number 23P-83973-10-00 and the online fiche shows the price to be $46.22. Now, for any of my fellow Americans bitching about parts prices....

The Yamaha OEM part number for the Euro version is "23P-83969-00, SWITCH, HANDLE 5" and the cost with VAT removed for export is 148.37 Euros, which is close to US$ 207. With VAT in France, the full retail price is EU 177.45 !!!

EU parts can be ordered online from Neubert in Germany (same part number, title changes to Lenkerschalter) for about EU142, plus shipping. Or if you need to talk to somebody (Christian can speak some English), a brick & morter Yamaha dealer who will ship on a VISA is:

YAM31
39 Rue Andre Vasseur
31200 Toulouse

Tel: 05 62 72 34 38, the parts guy is Yoann and the email is pdr2.yam31@orange.fr Their website is www.yam31.com
 

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Are you ordering one ? I would like to see if it will hook up...
 

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I was thinking about it but am put off by the $207 price. I can rock the existing switch for that amount.
 

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Looking at the euro wiring diagram and both na & euro parts illustrations, I'm willing to bet it would be plug & play but, I'm not willing to bet $200+
 

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The hazards I can understand, but what is the purpose the pass button? I typically ride with my highbeams on (except at night) and fear that if I actually use it when I pass, some twit will think i am trying to tell them to cut me off.
 

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We need to get a Euro guy that is willing to help up.. Here is the deal, The female connector with the ten square boxes is where we need to look. If the wire harness is wired for the extra features we are gold. Someone needs to pop off this female plug and tell us if only eight are being uses.. Maybe just six.. And we need to have the Euro ST owner to the same.. I suspect that the Euro is using all ten slots. Here is the next step. "If" we find that ours is using eight (for example) and the Euro is utilizing all ten, we need to look at the male side of the US model to see if the (last two/ Euro) wires are plugged in the back of the ten prong mail side. IF SO, we are good and we can buy or shop, Etc... It will work..... If the Euro (for example) is utilizing all ten wires... And the US model only had eight wires in and out.. We cant buy it and be a plug and play....
Even if it turns out not to be a plug-N-play it would be easy to buy the switch housing and make it work just like the Euro bikes... Not that hard......

If any of you want to do some home work and start checking I will help any way I can.. I would like to get the switch housings.. Call some friends in Europe to get a better price.... LOL
 

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I am interested.

The Flash to Pass works for me. Courtesy helps. There is always a butthead.
 

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tomatocity said:
I am interested.

The Flash to Pass works for me. Courtesy helps. There is always a butthead.
No joke.. Ive used the hazards on my FJR lots of times.... and the flash to pass (I think) is a good thing.. Just to have your brights at your finger tips... I can think of a ton of times where I might be off road or in a camp area where I just need a quick blast of light... That next to my finger would be great.....
 

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I think I like the flash to pass button.

Has anyone noticed in the turns at night the shield for low beams cuts off the side of the road? I put cheap LED driving lights on and it helps but I have a cutoff line on my lights that totally cut’s off the side of the road because of the high/low shield and bothers me a great deal. ??? I am going to need more side lighting.
 

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Combo said:
I think I like the flash to pass button.

Has anyone noticed in the turns at night the shield for low beams cuts off the side of the road? I put cheap LED driving lights on and it helps but I have a cutoff line on my lights that totally cut’s off the side of the road because of the high/low shield and bothers me a great deal. ??? I am going to need more side lighting.
Me too. Blind at night but like riding during low traffic and cooler times. Think mounting the lights to the forks should make good side lighting.
 

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i had a euro specs S10..

will check and take a photo later since i'll be tearing it up to install the LED signal lights..
so stay tune US owners.. ::012::
 

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Cool! I really want this farkle! Having had and used emergency flashers on the ST1300 I think it is a worthwhile upgrade. Hopefully we can work out a group buy at a discount.
 

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~TABASCO~ said:
.... Call some friends in Europe to get a better price.... LOL
I specifically talked price with the owner of a German dealership I was at. He was pretty knowledgable and unhappy about how things are priced in Europe. His point was that the EU dealers get screwed because their distributor (missed the name) can't order with the raw purchasing power that Yamaha USA does when ordering from Yamaha-Japan. We often forget that Yamaha in Japan is NOT who we are actually buying from.

He really was supportive and his bottom line was that to get a better price, we would need to go through Yam USA, Yam Japan, or some other route, NOT through a EU source.

Working in transportation, I can tell you that the problem in dealing with Yam-USA will be that the lighting system is DOT approved and they will not want to sell non-US parts that alter the US-approved system. The only way I know around this would be to say the parts are for off-road use only.

My suggestion is to have one of the dealer guys on the forum call Yamaha USA.
 

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Great, thank you !! !
 

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I did this mod on my FJR, and I have been researching for the Super Tenere. I had a colleague in Oz bring me up a left side switch from a salvage yard on a business trip. It was not plug and play but simple enough, the space for the switch was in the US housing, I installed the switch and solded the leads in parallell with the high beam circuit. Not the way the Eu and Oz bikes were wired, but it works.

Problem here is not enough Super Tenere's out yet, and I doubt enough of them have been wadded to fill the salvage yards. I sent a PM to Swagger, but he has not been active for a while, anyone heard from him? What I was after was someone to go look at other volume Yamaha product and find the same swith on a higher volume model. US R1 has same switch as US Super Tenere. How about EU? Plenty of R1's in Salvage.

So, listen up EU and Oz riders, take a look at your friends other Yamaha product or swing past your dealer, what else uses the same switch as the Super Tenere.

I did research both the EU and US wiring diagrams. The connector seems to be the same, the pin outs seem to be the same except for the flash to pass wire. The flash to pass, one connection is downstream from the connector. It appears to be just a splice though, I was planning to make that splice in the EU switch harness upstream from the connector. Need to see some hard parts! The flasher connections are all done inside the switch housing.

Plan was to get it all defined and then post away, figured I would jump in and share what I know so far after reading this thread. I am going to ask my dealer to squeeze Yamaha for the EU part, or hopefully one of the dealers on here can. If yes, let's put together a group buy, get volume up and price down.
 

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JonnyCinco said:
The hazards I can understand, but what is the purpose the pass button? I typically ride with my highbeams on (except at night) and fear that if I actually use it when I pass, some twit will think i am trying to tell them to cut me off.
JC,
From what I can gather, in Europe, when a rider wants to pass, they ride up on the ass of the car in front of them and flash their highbeams a couple of times. I think this is actually a polite way of saying, "Hello, I'm about to pass you." Unfortunately here in the states it has a different meaning. If you pull that manuver over here, you're lible to insight a case of road-rage! (probably why we don't have that button)

It does come in handy when an oncoming driver won't dim their highbeams or if you want to signal a driver at an intersection like as in "You go ahead".
 

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Kevhunts said:
JC,
From what I can gather, in Europe, when a rider wants to pass, they ride up on the ass of the car in front of them and flash their highbeams a couple of times. I think this is actually a polite way of saying, "Hello, I'm about to pass you." Unfortunately here in the states it has a different meaning. If you pull that manuver over here, you're lible to insight a case of road-rage! (probably why we don't have that button)

It does come in handy when an oncoming driver won't dim their highbeams or if you want to signal a driver at an intersection like as in "You go ahead".
This is almost correct, based upon my 4 years living in Germany....a faster car approaching a slower one on the Autobahn would flash his lights some distance away from the slower car in order to allow the slower car to move over and let him pass. It was not a sign of aggression as it is over here nowadays. The drivers were for the most part, very professional.....
 

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I pulled my ST left switch housing and pulled my Versys left side housing. They look identical I did not pull all the plugs out and try them but they all look the same in Versys for the blinkers, high beam and horn. I am thinking about buying a Versy left housing and solder the connections to the hazard switch and also to the flash to pass. I think we can look at other Jap bikes and we will find that most of the houseings are the same. I bet my old Vstrom left houseign would be the same. When I have some extra money I will be triing this Mod. I have used hazards in the past and are usefull.
 
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