A More Affordable Flash Option?
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Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
Unfortunately I don't have a direct answer to that. Many have run 87 octane with the stock tune and don't report any issues. I have never HEARD detonation the times I have been stuck with 87 octane running a completely stock flash (NO CJM!). With the CJM it is NOT safe to run 87 octane. The timing is advanced too far at WOT and I have experienced audible detonation.
There are many variables that lead to detonation. Unfortunately the S10 doesn't have a knock sensor so determining if detonation is occurring is a purely audible exercise at this point. Usually if you can hear it, it is pretty bad.
Have you experienced audible detonation on 87? If you know the conditions, we could try reducing timing in that gear/rpm/throttle position and work to eliminate it.
The "right" way to do this would be to install a knock sensor and use a REAL dyno that can vary the load on the motor to develop a timing map that works 100% of the time for each gear. I would LOVE to do this, but I simply don't have the equipment.
ac
Ken,Kenack said:
Unfortunately I don't have a direct answer to that. Many have run 87 octane with the stock tune and don't report any issues. I have never HEARD detonation the times I have been stuck with 87 octane running a completely stock flash (NO CJM!). With the CJM it is NOT safe to run 87 octane. The timing is advanced too far at WOT and I have experienced audible detonation.
There are many variables that lead to detonation. Unfortunately the S10 doesn't have a knock sensor so determining if detonation is occurring is a purely audible exercise at this point. Usually if you can hear it, it is pretty bad.
Have you experienced audible detonation on 87? If you know the conditions, we could try reducing timing in that gear/rpm/throttle position and work to eliminate it.
The "right" way to do this would be to install a knock sensor and use a REAL dyno that can vary the load on the motor to develop a timing map that works 100% of the time for each gear. I would LOVE to do this, but I simply don't have the equipment.
ac
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
I haven't run any 87 yet but know I will have to in central & south America. That is why I was inquiring. I know the older BMW's retarded the timing a bit to help with regular gas detonation.
Also, another consideration is a map that would increase fuel economy for long stretches without gas stations. I know an IB rider that increased his fuel average on a DL1000 to over 55 mpg using a power commander map for fuel economy. Just thinking?
Ken
I haven't run any 87 yet but know I will have to in central & south America. That is why I was inquiring. I know the older BMW's retarded the timing a bit to help with regular gas detonation.
Also, another consideration is a map that would increase fuel economy for long stretches without gas stations. I know an IB rider that increased his fuel average on a DL1000 to over 55 mpg using a power commander map for fuel economy. Just thinking?
Ken
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
Both of those are tough without serious tuning tools. To insure no detonation we would need a knock sensor. To maximize fuel economy we would need to lean it out to the hairy edge. I just don't have the resources to do either with enough confidence to charge you and send you to South America.
I hope you understand.
ac
Ken,Kenack said:
Both of those are tough without serious tuning tools. To insure no detonation we would need a knock sensor. To maximize fuel economy we would need to lean it out to the hairy edge. I just don't have the resources to do either with enough confidence to charge you and send you to South America.
I hope you understand.
ac
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Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
Yes! Interested... ::017::
Yes! Interested... ::017::
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
If it makes you feel any better, you have a few pioneers before you serving as labrats in South America.
1st was Nick Sanders himself. Who likely made the smallest effort to protect the Tenere in that environment. In fact, it's safe to say he was dared to break it. The bike was provided to him. He had no reason to take care of it. And he didn't. Brutal field test. Far different than "the others".
2nd is the now infamous DCstrom. Unlike Nick, he is doing just the opposite....Seeing how loooooong he can take riding around in the land of the Aztecs.
And finally, we have that crazy Brit and his soul mate. 2-up and loaded like a Mexican burro. This Tenere is NOT getting pampered. Gotta be a test on engine knocking for sure.
All these guys (and gals) are my hero's. They go before us and reveal the strengths and weaknesses of this mighty machine. We owe them. Yamaha owes them. I sure as heck am paying attention.
If it makes you feel any better, you have a few pioneers before you serving as labrats in South America.
1st was Nick Sanders himself. Who likely made the smallest effort to protect the Tenere in that environment. In fact, it's safe to say he was dared to break it. The bike was provided to him. He had no reason to take care of it. And he didn't. Brutal field test. Far different than "the others".
2nd is the now infamous DCstrom. Unlike Nick, he is doing just the opposite....Seeing how loooooong he can take riding around in the land of the Aztecs.
And finally, we have that crazy Brit and his soul mate. 2-up and loaded like a Mexican burro. This Tenere is NOT getting pampered. Gotta be a test on engine knocking for sure.
All these guys (and gals) are my hero's. They go before us and reveal the strengths and weaknesses of this mighty machine. We owe them. Yamaha owes them. I sure as heck am paying attention.
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
FYI re 87 octane: I have 8000 miles of sport riding on 87. No issues or detonation has occurred as of yet.
FYI re 87 octane: I have 8000 miles of sport riding on 87. No issues or detonation has occurred as of yet.
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
I make no guarantee either way.
ac
So...if you are willing to trend off others...I do NOT change the timing tables in my flashes unless you specifically ask for a 91+ octane tune. Chris at Flash Tune also felt the stock flash was good for 87 octane.sportrider said:
I make no guarantee either way.
ac
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
Don't forget the first known to do the world on the Super Tenere was David Biga, leaving Italy nearly 3 years ago and shown here leading this pack of strange bikes:
http://www.pianetariders.it/2012/01/intervista-a-davide-biga-il-giro-del-mondo-in-sella-a-yamaha-super-tenere/21340#
Sorry for the thread hijack. Back to avc's great flash offer.
snakebitten said:If it makes you feel any better, you have a few pioneers before you serving as labrats in South America.
1st was Nick Sanders himself. Who likely made the smallest effort to protect the Tenere in that environment. In fact, it's safe to say he was dared to break it. The bike was provided to him. He had no reason to take care of it. And he didn't. Brutal field test. Far different than "the others".
2nd is the now infamous DCstrom. Unlike Nick, he is doing just the opposite....Seeing how loooooong he can take riding around in the land of the Aztecs.
And finally, we have that crazy Brit and his soul mate. 2-up and loaded like a Mexican burro. This Tenere is NOT getting pampered. Gotta be a test on engine knocking for sure.
All these guys (and gals) are my hero's. They go before us and reveal the strengths and weaknesses of this mighty machine. We owe them. Yamaha owes them. I sure as heck am paying attention.
Don't forget the first known to do the world on the Super Tenere was David Biga, leaving Italy nearly 3 years ago and shown here leading this pack of strange bikes:
http://www.pianetariders.it/2012/01/intervista-a-davide-biga-il-giro-del-mondo-in-sella-a-yamaha-super-tenere/21340#
Sorry for the thread hijack. Back to avc's great flash offer.
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
Alright guys, I am ready to go for ECU's with Part Numbers ending in -30. If you have an ECU that ends with -30 (part number is right on the ECU itself) contact me if you are interested in getting a flash.
We are still working out some bugs with the -70 configuration, but I hope to be offering -70 flashes within a week or 2.
-50 Euro spec I can flash also, but the shipping might be tough.
You boys up in the great white North sit tight, -40 Canada spec ECU flashing will be available in 6-8 weeks.
ac
Alright guys, I am ready to go for ECU's with Part Numbers ending in -30. If you have an ECU that ends with -30 (part number is right on the ECU itself) contact me if you are interested in getting a flash.
We are still working out some bugs with the -70 configuration, but I hope to be offering -70 flashes within a week or 2.
-50 Euro spec I can flash also, but the shipping might be tough.
You boys up in the great white North sit tight, -40 Canada spec ECU flashing will be available in 6-8 weeks.
ac
Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
Just flashed another and it is off to its owner.
Operations are up and running for anyone with a -30 ECU.
Now is the weather in most of the US to be "down" for a week while the ECU is out for flashing.
ac
Just flashed another and it is off to its owner.
Operations are up and running for anyone with a -30 ECU.
Now is the weather in most of the US to be "down" for a week while the ECU is out for flashing.
ac
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Re: Any Interest in a More Affordable Flash Option?
I'll probably get it done when it gets nice out. I'll ride to your place or something along those lines. Maybe a ride with Nick and yourself.
I'll probably get it done when it gets nice out. I'll ride to your place or something along those lines. Maybe a ride with Nick and yourself.
Let me clarify something I just got asked by PM:
I am NOT Flash Tune. Flash Tune is a company, run by Chris, in California. Flash Tune hacks ECUs and develops "flashes" and flashing equipment. Generally they do this for track day and race application. In fact, they support a lot of privateer AMA and club racers.
I am just a "guy", working in my garage, playing on my computer.
I assisted Chris in developing the harness and his initial "flash" for the Tenere. My ECU was the donor that was cut apart and "hacked". I test ran the official "Flash Tune" flash for 12k miles before Chris went live with the products.
Chris will sell you a harness to flash your own bike for ~$400. He will also sell you a 2nd harness to flash ECU's out of the bike for ~$100. OR he will flash YOUR ECU for ~$100.
Me? I continued development of the flash file. I was reading all of the results from the ECU-U guys, and it was obvious to me that ECU-U was more "aggressive" as my seat of the pants feeling was not what everyone raved about.
I have made over 2 dozen iterations of the original flash file. What I am "selling" is NOT the same as what you get straight from Flash Tune.
Yes, I use their software and hardware. No, the results are not the same.
I have priced my service inline with Chris's. I do NOT want to take business from them. They are a good outfit, doing great work, selling their wares for very reasonable prices.
ac
I am NOT Flash Tune. Flash Tune is a company, run by Chris, in California. Flash Tune hacks ECUs and develops "flashes" and flashing equipment. Generally they do this for track day and race application. In fact, they support a lot of privateer AMA and club racers.
I am just a "guy", working in my garage, playing on my computer.
I assisted Chris in developing the harness and his initial "flash" for the Tenere. My ECU was the donor that was cut apart and "hacked". I test ran the official "Flash Tune" flash for 12k miles before Chris went live with the products.
Chris will sell you a harness to flash your own bike for ~$400. He will also sell you a 2nd harness to flash ECU's out of the bike for ~$100. OR he will flash YOUR ECU for ~$100.
Me? I continued development of the flash file. I was reading all of the results from the ECU-U guys, and it was obvious to me that ECU-U was more "aggressive" as my seat of the pants feeling was not what everyone raved about.
I have made over 2 dozen iterations of the original flash file. What I am "selling" is NOT the same as what you get straight from Flash Tune.
Yes, I use their software and hardware. No, the results are not the same.
I have priced my service inline with Chris's. I do NOT want to take business from them. They are a good outfit, doing great work, selling their wares for very reasonable prices.
ac
AC,
Let me know when your flash is going to be ready for ECU -70 (I assume that's the one I have since my S10 is 2013 model).
BTW, it puzzles me that the flash is different according to the reference of the ECU. I thought the hardware was similar but just the program inside was different. Obviously, your findings point to a different conclusion.
Phil
Let me know when your flash is going to be ready for ECU -70 (I assume that's the one I have since my S10 is 2013 model).
BTW, it puzzles me that the flash is different according to the reference of the ECU. I thought the hardware was similar but just the program inside was different. Obviously, your findings point to a different conclusion.
Phil
Phil,Frenchfries said:
The hardware is different between the -30 and -70. The -30 uses an older processor setup. The software is different between the 2. Chris and I are trying to sort out the file structure. I'm "pretty sure" we are ready to flash a -70, but I don't have one of my own in case something goes awry.
ac
AC, I couldn't stay in the unknown, so I pulled off the right fairing to make sure. My ECU is DENSO ref 23P-8591A-70 (2013 S10).avc8130 said:
I understand you were working with Chris (Flash Tune) on the specifics of the -70 ECU. Did you progress in your quest for a better world for the -70? Is there something I can do either with you or with Chris to get it finalized? You can PM me.
Phil