I modified a basket that's out on test right now. After feedback from this I will modify a further basket that's here which should prove it can be duplicated.
Vibration question
- Thread starter roll_it_on
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Thanks for all your work. Mine has the issue and it seems to be clutch relates. Feathering the clutch very lightly reduces vibes. I'm really not bothered by the vibes but it is annoying. Mine seems to be closer to 3500-3750 rpms.sharealike said:
Red dust
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Fantastic!sharealike said:
ejy712
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Outstanding!sharealike said:
Could owners who know they have the clutch vibration please comment on any change in its nature due to engine temperature?roll_it_on said:
And just as important if the vibration is the same - hot or cold engine.
This does not have to be the vibration that reaches the bars. Any vibration they feel from the clutch.
Test to confirm if vibration is from the clutch basket.
Feather the clutch lever slightly. Pull the lever in just a hair to take out all the free play. Just to the point the clutch is about to slip but don't let it. Can take a little practice to do this while passing through the vibration zone, but if the vibes die down its a sign the clutch is the source. This was the reliable test to confirm the clutch basket damper issue in the VStrom's.
Been watching this thread. But since you asked about temperature, I'll chime in.
Down here at the Texas coastline there are not a lot of days where the temperature swing amounts to enough to get a good A-B comparison. But a few days ago we awoke to a Brisk 60ish morning. Might have even been as low as 58F.
This motor is very noticeably "less corse" when I commute in during those kinds of temps. Even after getting to operating temps. (Which for my bike hovers around 169F when its cool\cold outdoors)
Very noticeable. Throughout the whole 3000-3500 range.
Wouldn't that indicate that intake air temps are influencing the bike more than oil temperature?
I say that because I don't get this sweet smooooothness on the average 80-100F days, even when the motor is pre-warmup.
Down here at the Texas coastline there are not a lot of days where the temperature swing amounts to enough to get a good A-B comparison. But a few days ago we awoke to a Brisk 60ish morning. Might have even been as low as 58F.
This motor is very noticeably "less corse" when I commute in during those kinds of temps. Even after getting to operating temps. (Which for my bike hovers around 169F when its cool\cold outdoors)
Very noticeable. Throughout the whole 3000-3500 range.
Wouldn't that indicate that intake air temps are influencing the bike more than oil temperature?
I say that because I don't get this sweet smooooothness on the average 80-100F days, even when the motor is pre-warmup.
Having owned a DL1000 and having the clutch basket modified succesfully by Sharealike I also have been following this vibration issue with interest.
Started the Suzuki up in the shop with the modified basket and you could tell even at idle the engine was quieter. The road test confirmed it and vibration was all but gone, very impressed with the results. ::008::
I noticed the distinctive rumble the Tenere engine had almost from off the showroom floor in the 3000 RPM range, and although not as noticable as the Suzuki, it is there. Having done the clutch test by pulling in the lever just enough to "unload" the clutch a bit I have noticed that the vibration is much less. Clutch test was done while passing through the 3000 RPM range in the higher gears with a light load on the engine as in a long gradual uphill. Mostly felt through the foot pegs with a slight change in the sound of the engine. Temperature seems to have some bearing, with it coming on a little more abruptly when the engine is up to temp.
And like the Suzuki the bottom line with this is, there seems to be no reliability concerns with these clutch baskets as we now have bikes exceeding 100,00 miles with no known clutch basket failures. Vibration seems more noticeable to some, than others and looking forward to Sharealike being able to continue his R&D towards a fix.
Started the Suzuki up in the shop with the modified basket and you could tell even at idle the engine was quieter. The road test confirmed it and vibration was all but gone, very impressed with the results. ::008::
I noticed the distinctive rumble the Tenere engine had almost from off the showroom floor in the 3000 RPM range, and although not as noticable as the Suzuki, it is there. Having done the clutch test by pulling in the lever just enough to "unload" the clutch a bit I have noticed that the vibration is much less. Clutch test was done while passing through the 3000 RPM range in the higher gears with a light load on the engine as in a long gradual uphill. Mostly felt through the foot pegs with a slight change in the sound of the engine. Temperature seems to have some bearing, with it coming on a little more abruptly when the engine is up to temp.
And like the Suzuki the bottom line with this is, there seems to be no reliability concerns with these clutch baskets as we now have bikes exceeding 100,00 miles with no known clutch basket failures. Vibration seems more noticeable to some, than others and looking forward to Sharealike being able to continue his R&D towards a fix.
Yamaguy55
No difficult problems, just difficult people
I am currently in the last stages of a beta test done with another site member on this. I should have the results by early next week.
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
I just finished an 8500 mile trip. Was on the bike every day for 42 days in a row with temperatures ranging from 50F to 80F. In my case the 3200+/- vibration was definitely less when it was colder and even on warm days was less at start up until the motor warmed up. Overall vibration levels were less when it was cooler and I suspect that may be a fueling issue ( richer when cold?)
Red dust
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Here in my area in the land down under the temp rarely go below 70F so it is difficult to test especially now when the spring is here with temp around 80F, if the temp play a role then you think the vibes should get less with a proper fuel/air management?
Yamaguy55
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I believe they are referring to the fairly common "raspy"power delivery of FI bikes when the weather warms up. When cooler, it lessens to some degree. If you're in a tropical or subtropical climate, you wouldn't know this. The reflash is said to eliminate a lot of this. That is this winter's project for me.
Don't confuse with clutch induced vibration that can be tested by lightly loading the clutch lever. If you lightly load the lever, or "feather" the clutch, and the vibrations drop drastically, you've just felt the basket problem. Just enough pull to load the throwout bearing, not enough to let the clutch slip.
Don't confuse with clutch induced vibration that can be tested by lightly loading the clutch lever. If you lightly load the lever, or "feather" the clutch, and the vibrations drop drastically, you've just felt the basket problem. Just enough pull to load the throwout bearing, not enough to let the clutch slip.
Red dust
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Will try the clutch lever.
The flash did nothing to lessen the vibes but made the bike smoother in other ways such as when shifting up/down eliminated the head banging from the pillion. Love the flash even if it did not reduce the vibes which was my intention in the first place when I forked up the $ for the flash but happy with the flash anyway.
Will cruise on the hwy around 3500 rpm and do the clutch to see what happens.
The flash did nothing to lessen the vibes but made the bike smoother in other ways such as when shifting up/down eliminated the head banging from the pillion. Love the flash even if it did not reduce the vibes which was my intention in the first place when I forked up the $ for the flash but happy with the flash anyway.
Will cruise on the hwy around 3500 rpm and do the clutch to see what happens.
Yamaguy55
No difficult problems, just difficult people
Mine has the clutch vibe from around 3k to somewhere above 4k. I didn't check much above as I don't spend a lot of time above 4k rpm.Red dust said:
AlsoRan
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I have been following this thread closely as I have a very low Serial Number Super T with the vibration that is described. I've tried your test many times over the past month and the vibration does NOT occur when the engine is cold. It starts to occur when the engine is warmed up and then it is consistent thereafter. Also there are times when under certain loads and speeds that the vibration is less or non-existent. But the norm right now is:sharealike said:
1. Cold Engine - no vibration
2. Warm Engine - vibration starts at 3,200 RPM (this is consistent)
3. Vibration is cured by feathering the clutch.
I do not have any fueling issues with the bike that cause excess vibration.
I am very interested to hear about your findings and possible resolutions that you may offer.
here is a guy in Texas that has been doing VStrom baskets. Maybe one of the Texas members could work with him for an S10 solution
http://www.werksparts.com/WERKS_Parts.php
http://www.werksparts.com/WERKS_Parts.php
Yamaguy55
No difficult problems, just difficult people
We're already working on it.
AlsoRan
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Right down the street. Wonder if they need a guinea pig?autoteach said:
Yamaguy55
No difficult problems, just difficult people
No. another takeelwood said:you're working on the washer shim repair, correct
greg the pole
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Man..
I should put mine together double time.
The clutch cover is off for the valve adjustment. Perfect time to do the fix.
But I have not noticed the issue, on mine. Will need to test drive first.
Man..
I should put mine together double time.
The clutch cover is off for the valve adjustment. Perfect time to do the fix.
But I have not noticed the issue, on mine. Will need to test drive first.