Michelin Anakee 3

[RED CAT]

That's the main problem with EXPs. Poor millage. The 3s should out last them by miles if they are anything like 2s.

 

[Dallara]

That's the main problem with EXPs. Poor millage. The 3s should out last them by miles if they are anything like 2s.

I got great mileage - for me - out of the Tourance EXP's.

Dallara


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[Bappo]

4000 mile pavement report; Anakee 3 on front and Anakee 2 on rear. Both are H rated. The Anakee 2 is a known commodity so not much to say.

An idea of roads I used, in order (I was videoing twisty bits this trip with the GoPro): Teton Pass, Flaming Gorge, pass down into Vernal UT, pass down into Fruita CO, Rimrock drive in Colorado National Monument, Million Dollar Highway, twisty road in Mesa Verde NP, Highway 64 across NM, flats across KS and the 91 and 19 in MO, Interstate (yuck), 295 and 20 across Nebraska, 87, 16A, and 14A in the Black Hills (waited and timed to minimize car chicanes), and then 16 across WY to home. As much twisty as I could fit in considering. And I did have the wick turned up a little for videoing >

Very obviously a multi-compound tire. There is a ROCK hard middle inch, then a softer inch or so band, then a really soft outer edge. The middle inch is so hard that I have worn down the sides to below the level of the middle. Kind of the opposite of squaring off a tire. Very odd feeling when you rub your hand on the tire tread and looks weird. Turn in is great, switching same, never got to a point wtheyhere I felt it get real nervous, quite confidence inspiring. I would always lose the rear before the front except once when there was loose gravel on the apex and both slipped and then caught at the same time. Puckering moment I tell ya Oh and the K60's are better on those soft tar road snakes. The Anakee is kinda squirrel y.

So far I cannot see why they changed from the 2 to the 3 as they appear to behave similarly.

About the only knocks are the hard center band looks funny if you wear the sides faster and the feel on tar snakes. Now to see how it does for miles. I can see how you could wear out the sides first if you lived in TN, NC area or did track days.

For what I am using the Anakee's for I like them far better than the K60's (squared and iffy on edge and wet pavement) or the OEM EXP's (wore out too fast). for dirty work I like the K60's though.

Bappo

 

[Firefight911]

Uhh, they are a single compound tire. The casing/carcass has been redesigned to increase contact patch with lean angle but they are not a multiple compound tire. Likewise the tire compound has been changed from the 2 but it is not a multiple compound tire.


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[Bappo]

Took a couple of pics of the 3. If it isn't a dual compound there is something extremely weird going on. The center inch or so is wearing slower than the sides and is raised (and still rounded). Oh, the rear 2 is similar in that the center contact patch is raised as well.

 

[Wanderer]

Howdy,
Having the center raised is a good thing right? ::008:: Keeps the over all profile of the tire more round as it wears. My guess is it may have to do with the spacing between the tread cut outs. Hopefully something Michelin planned. :
Later,
Norm

 

[avc8130]

What pressure are you running?

ac

 

[Firefight911]

What pressure are you running?

ac

Bingo! Winner winner chicken dinner.

Exactly what I was thinking.


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[Bappo]

34 front, 38 rear. Ran the K60's at 36/40. Lowest I measured on the trip was 32.5 front when it was in the 30's outside on stone cold tires. I hope those are not abnormal pressures.

 

[tomatocity]

Bingo! Winner winner chicken dinner.

Exactly what I was thinking.


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Same here. Also want to know the load. I am watching closely because I have a new set of MA3's mounted.

The one dual compound tire I had on my Vstrom 1000 never looked like that. It squared off like a normal rear tire but the center wore quicker than the sides because... of my poor riding style. I slid the center of the rear tire too many times because it was harder. This should not happen with the Tenere and ABS.

 

[tomatocity]

34 front, 38 rear. Ran the K60's at 36/40. Lowest I measured on the trip was 32.5 front when it was in the 30's outside on stone cold tires. I hope those are not abnormal pressures.

I am running pretty much the same, 32F 36R but I have not had panniers, tank bag, or camp gear bag on the Tenere since having the new tires.

Do you find these tires to be taller? My Tenere is sitting higher but that might be the lack of luggage.

 

[Bappo]

I ran the entire 4000 miles fully loaded. Panniers, top box, tent, kermet, food, stove, tools, etc. Oh and 235# of me. Same as the Yukon Rally last year, actually. Just the different tires.

I am just thinking I get to ride a shit ton of pan flat, straight roads for the next few thousand miles ::015::

 

[spasm]

ive sent an email to michelin, asking why they would replace a fantastic tyre that out performs most others with a load of rubbish like the anakee 3. in so many words ive told them they must be crazy and will lose hundreds of customers.
it looks terrible and squares off almost immediately, im fuming as my tyre fitter had to search round to get my a set of 2's then telling me that would be my last set and if i want more theres a supplier in wales that has 8 pairs left so i should buy them now WTF.

 

[Firefight911]

I would bet dollars to donuts that the wear you are seeing is a direct result of the pressures you are running. Too low.

I'd run 36 or 38 front and 42 rear with the load you're running. My guess is this will resolve a fair bit of the issue you are seeing.


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[tomatocity]

I would bet dollars to donuts that the wear you are seeing is a direct result of the pressures you are running. Too low.

I'd run 36 or 38 front and 42 rear with the load you're running. My guess is this will resolve a fair bit of the issue you are seeing.


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Yep, 36F 42R sounds right. Us big guys need more support.

 

[Bappo]

Roger. Will go up in pressures and see what happens.

Spasm, I'm seeing the opposite of squaring with the Anakee 3 (and 2 for that matter). The K60 rear squares off beautifully though.

Bappo

 

[tomatocity]

Roger. Will go up in pressures and see what happens.

Spasm, I'm seeing the opposite of squaring with the Anakee 3 (and 2 for that matter). The K60 rear squares off beautifully though.

Bappo

Your Michelin rep might be interested in seeing the irregular wear. Did you buy them locally? Keep the reports coming.

So true about the K60. I took a set off for the MA3's. The MA3 is much smoother and feel to be more round.

 

[Firefight911]

Your Michelin rep might be interested in seeing the irregular wear. Did you buy them locally? Keep the reports coming.

So true about the K60. I took a set off for the MA3's. The MA3 is much smoother and feel to be more round.

I, once again, will bet that a rep will tell you to adjust pressures. This type of wear is very common across every brand out there. It almost always comes back to a pressure adjustment.

Other variables are usual found with out of adjustment suspension, out of round tire, out of round wheel, or a mechanical issue such as a wheel bearing or steering head adjustment or swing arm pivot, etc. it also can be a combination of any or all of these.

Based on the OP's posts, he is operating at the extreme end of the bike's suspension ability with under inflated tires. This in conjunction with any inherent scrubbing of speed on turn in will manifest itself in this fashion.

Adjust pressures, adjust suspension, focus on good entry and throttle roll on and I will bet a set of tires that this will either go away entirely or, at least, be minimized exponentially.

And, before someone gets panty bunched that I'm saying they can't ride, that's not what I'm saying. The pressures and suspension and resultant lack of good tire feedback and feel reduce confidence which means one is much less likely to roll on their throttle as early as could be done. And, no, this does not mean you're riding too slow. Confidence can lead to speed but in our setting confidence leads to good technique and reduced inputs to controls and traction maximization.


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[Bappo]

Firefighterman is right in some respects. I do tend to scrub speed on turn in; mainly on left hand tight blind turns when I try to stay on the off-camber side of the road. For some reason I don't want a Winnabago taking my head off. I also roll on throttle later than I can when I am looking for gravel on the apex of the turn and it slows me a tad. 34# really should be in the sweet spot for this tire and it felt very confident. Only lost the front once (in gravel) and it caught almost immediately.

The S10 suspension is as the suspension does. Happy with it as is and not really interested in spending thousands on upgrades. I have trusted it over 20,000 miles so far.

I am fairly confident this is a dual compound tire regardless of whether the literature mentions it or not.

 

[Firefight911]

You can lead a horse to water....


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