Michelin Anakee 3

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I disagree. Tourances always wear flat in the middle no matter how you ride. So do K60s. Anakee 2s do not.(as much) I've gone through a few set of 2s and they weren't near as flat as Tourances, no matter how I ride. The 3s in the pic look more like my used Tourances.
 

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The only reason k60 wear flat is because you can't corner worth of crap with those. If suggestion sign says 35, you better not be taking that turn more, then 45.... 50 in perfect weather. If it's wet, you better be at 25. :D
 

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Today I ordered a pair of the Michelin Anakee 3's. Leaving Sunday for a 7-8 day trip with the K60's. Hope to change to the MA3's as soon as I return then another 3ish day trip test the new tires.
 

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MikeBear said:
The only reason k60 wear flat is because you can't corner worth of crap with those. If suggestion sign says 35, you better not be taking that turn more, then 45.... 50 in perfect weather. If it's wet, you better be at 25. :D
Sarcasm or truth?

Generally speaking I do 30 over the "yellow signs" for my entry speed into a corner. I want the K60s because they look bad ass, but if I'm going to die I'll stick with MA3s for my next tire.

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avc8130 said:
Sarcasm or truth?

Generally speaking I do 30 over the "yellow signs" for my entry speed into a corner. I want the K60s because they look bad ass, but if I'm going to die I'll stick with MA3s for my next tire.

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I'd say truth they will light the TC in the dry without much provocation from my experience (4kmiles on K60s so far) if I hadn't needed to replace a broken laptop and topbox this month I would have had a set of these fitted by now, just having to get those extra miles out of the rear now until the funds recover.
 

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Absolute truth!!! You have to be very and I can not stress it enough VERY!!! carefull with these tires. You have to know pavement you are on. Wet or dry these things will kill you in any strong crosswind. I would recommend k60 only for off road use and some very light summer only road use. Many will disagree with me on this one, but this is my story and I'm sticking to it. Use k60 at your own risk.

Sorry about high jacking this thread.
 

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MikeBear said:
Absolute truth!!! You have to be very and I can not stress it enough VERY!!! carefull with these tires. You have to know pavement you are on. Wet or dry these things will kill you in any strong crosswind. I would recommend k60 only for off road use and some very light summer only road use. Many will disagree with me on this one, but this is my story and I'm sticking to it. Use k60 at your own risk.
I will agree that as you get close to the wear bars, the tire becomes less planted, I call it squirrelly. Getting on the throttle hard in a corner with 80% of the tire worn away will give you some extra excitement. And yes, even with a newish K60 in a straight line the TCS2 light will blink with a moderately heavy to heavy throttle hand. But during the first 75% of the tire I've never experienced any bad behavior in aggressive cornering, or any problems in the rain with ordinary riding. I'm not a former racer, and I'm sure there are some here that are more aggressive than me, but I ride pretty hard in the twisties with K60 and never worry about them during the first 75% of the rear tire.

Bottom line for me. I'm on my third rear K60, and still have the original first K60 front. I have never had any problem of any type with the front tire. On pavement the rear is very well behaved during the first 75%, with only a straight line blinking TCS light to say differently when pushing somewhat hard. I've used it down to 25 degrees F with no noticeable change in behavior beyond the standard cold tire/road precautions. Considering how long a tire life some people are getting on the K60, even changing it out at 80% would still make it a long lasting, good tire choice for most riders.
 

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I'm a few hundred shy of 18,000 on this set of K60s & my sentiments are similar except for in the rain. There is such a solid center strip of continuous rubber the rear can cause some butt clenching opportunities.so I can see where Mike came from, but again, this is an extremely worn rear tire.


I finally took a Drexel to provide rain grooves at each cleat & that problem went away.


Dirt_Dad said:
I will agree that as you get close to the wear bars, the tire becomes less planted, I call it squirrelly. Getting on the throttle hard in a corner with 80% of the tire worn away will give you some extra excitement. And yes, even with a newish K60 in a straight line the TCS2 light will blink with a moderately heavy to heavy throttle hand. But during the first 75% of the tire I've never experienced any bad behavior in aggressive cornering, or any problems in the rain with ordinary riding. I'm not a former racer, and I'm sure there are some here that are more aggressive than me, but I ride pretty hard in the twisties with K60 and never worry about them during the first 75% of the rear tire.

Bottom line for me. I'm on my third rear K60, and still have the original first K60 front. I have never had any problem of any type with the front tire. On pavement the rear is very well behaved during the first 75%, with only a straight line blinking TCS light to say differently when pushing somewhat hard. I've used it down to 25 degrees F with no noticeable change in behavior beyond the standard cold tire/road precautions. Considering how long a tire life some people are getting on the K60, even changing it out at 80% would still make it a long lasting, good tire choice for most riders.
 

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Hello,
Finally got my Anakee 3's on yesterday and took a short (30 mile) ride. Very first quick impressions, very nice turn in and holds a line quite easily. Noise, I do wear a 3/4 helmet so I may be more sensitive but I do hear a "whirl" over 40 or so especially decelerating. And over 80 to 90 there is a very slight rumble. Looking forward to trying them off road and in the rain.
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Got 1000kms on my new rear Anakee 3 now and so far its been great on pavement and gravel roads. Actually all the tires I have ever used have been great except Shinko 705s. Blew the tread off of the rear tire at 100mph one time. Can't really tell much difference with all the others. Mind you I don't ride wet/sand/mud much. But I do ride hard otherwise.
I wear most rear tires out at about 10,000kms/6000 miles. Do a lot of wheel spinning. Just love the big thrust on my S10.
 

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Howdy,
I've asked that question before and really did not get a good answer. I've read that there is in a difference in tread depth but have never verified it. But for what the ST can do top speed the "H" is really all you need and you can save the $10 bucks. ::014::
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Speed rating, possibility better miles life and rain grip. I went with the V mainly because the price difference was only $3. They will be installed Tuesday.
 

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I read somewhere that the tread life is longer on the H due to the V being a softer compound. This is not unique to the A3s. I ordered the H compound but haven't installed yet.


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This morning: Installed (dealership) Michelin Anakee 3 (V) tires today. First thoughts: Looks good, front tire felt sluggish in the parking lot, handlebar vibration almost gone, does not wander during stops.

Checked tire pressures and found 30F / 36R. Who is running what tire pressures for the MA3 ?

Removed K60's with 9,000 miles front and 7,500 miles rear. Will keep them for possible future use.
 

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I've been holding off posting my thoughts about the Michelin Anakee 3 because I wanted to get some miles on it first...

I managed to put about 1,000 miles on the front & rear set before I pulled my ECU and sent it to ECUnleashed for the Gen 2 re-flash, and since it now looks like I won't have my ECU back 'til next week, and I'm twiddling my thumbs, I thought I'd chime in with my "ride review" of these new Michelins.

First off, up until now I have only run Metzeler Tourance EXP V-rated rubber on my Super Tenere. That's what it came with, and I was mega-happy with the performance and wear I got out of the first set, so I figured why mess with a good thing, and stuck with 'em for 28,650 miles. I would average about 5,500 to 5,800 miles out of rear, and 10,000 to 11,000 out of the fronts. That may not be great mileage for some, but for me that meant they wore better than any tires I've had damn near in my life (discounting some of the "made-from-iron" IRC rubber from back in the '70's). On top of that, for me the Tourance EXP's handled wonderfully in the twisty bits as long as the pressures were kept up near the maximum. I would run them at 40 to 42 in the rear and 30 to 33 in the front. Performed like sport bike rubber for me on pavement, and never gave me any real slip or scare, and this was feathering them to the edge. I was always confident in them, and they worked terrific in the rain, too.

Sure, they weren't the greatest off-road, but since about 85 to 90% of my riding is on pavement that was a compromise I could live with. The Tourance EXP's never did anything really *bad* off-road, and for the most part Yamaha's wonderful TCS made them feel like they worked better than they probably, actually did. At least they were predictable off-road, with the rear always sliding away first, and again, no drama from them off-road... Just not a lot of bite. Keep your momentum up and they worked fine, and you could slide 'em like a flat tracker on gravel and cinder roads.

I really had no reason to switch other than I simply wanted to try something else... That, and at the time I was pricing new tires F & R it just so happened that no one had a full set in either the Metzeler Tourance EXP's or new Metzeler Tourance NEXT's anywhere in the country, but there was a set of V-rated Michelin Anakee 3's from an outfit we've done plenty of business with. So a set was ordered up, but ended up sitting on the rack for a bit while I rode the last miles out of the mounted Tourances. Finally toasted them at a wonderful Hill Country ride, cooking the entire left side of the front off - right down to the cord.

So on go the new Michelin Anakee 3's. I got V-rated ones so I would be comparing apples-to-apples, and I have to admit they looked trick with their new tread pattern all mounted up. I had them mounted at my local dealer, and when I rode away the first thing I thought was *CRAP, these are terrible!" I decided I better check the pressure, and sure enough, they were down far less than I run my tires, with 24 in the front and 32 in the rear. As I mentioned, I like my tire-feel best with higher pressures, so I bumped the Anakee's up to the same level I used to run the Tourance's, and put 41 in the rear and 31 in the front... OK, *NOW* we could make a far comparison!!!

First off, the front Anakee steers much lighter than the Tourance, and rather dramatically so. So much so it feels almost disconcerting at first, like the first time you went from a non-boosted steering car to one with power-steering. Was easy to adapt to in just a few miles, but the difference was noticeable. The ride, both front and rear, seemed to be more compliant than the Tourance's, too, but that's where something really interesting came into focus as the miles went on... The Michelin's were more compliant going straight down the road than the Metzeler's, yet they steered sharper and more precise, just like they had stiffer sidewalls. I always loved how the Tourance's handled, but I also always thought their steering reaction lagged just a tick behind input. I always chalked this up to them having to compromise between enough compliance to have grip off-road and a good ride while still being stiff enough to handle decent. But the Anakee's definitely hit a better balance here... With more precise steering yet better compliance and ride. I suspect the Michelin's are closer to being true "radials", in that they have probably close to zero angle in their cord construction so they they have good compliance, yet they probably use stiffer materials to maintain the sidewall stiffness to avoid deflection during steering inputs. That's all just a guess, but that's what it *feels* like...

So here we chalk up one positive point for the Anakee's!

They also work better off-road... Much better. Though I've only gotten to ride them about 40 miles off-road, and that being just on dirt and gravel roads, the TCS light doesn't flash near as much with the Anakee's as it did with the EXP's. IMHO the Anakee's grip level on dirt is much higher than the EXP's, but it's not all gravy. The front doesn't exude the confidence of sticking, sticking, sticking while the rear slides first that the EXP's did. In more than one instance the front definitely let go before the rear, or perhaps I should say they both let go about the same time. Mind you, this was pitching it into dirt road corners at a pretty high clip, but still, with the EXP's the rear always backed out first, giving you nice controlled slides. With the Anakee's it felt like you could go quicker, but when the limit was reached it was a toss up as to which end would let go first. Still, I'd have to give the off-road edge to the Michelin's.

So, here's another point in favor of the Anakee's!

Note, however, I have not ridden them in any sort of wet weather, on-road or off-, so I have no idea how they do in mud. All my dirt road jaunts with the Anakee's so far have been on dry, dusty dirt and gravel, and on pavement I have only ridden them through some light rain, pretty much in a straight line. The jury will have to remain out on their wet weather prowess, at least for me, for the time being.

But, sadly, this is where it all turns a bit sour for the Michelin's... As they have one fatal flaw, IMHO. They simply do *NOT* have the same high-level of grip when you really get to going quick in the pavement twisties. Don't get me wrong, they're perfectly OK for just riding around, and they're great if you're not pushing it in the slightest. But start leaning on them, and then leaning on them *HARD*, and things get a bit dicey. Especially right over at the edge of the tread. At less than full-tilt lean angles they aren't bad, though they never are as confidence inspiring riding quickly as the Tourance EXP's were, IMHO. Mind you, it could simply be my familiarity with the EXP's, but the Michelin's just give me the feeling of confidence the Metzeler's did. That doesn't mean I haven't pushed the Anakee's... I have, and that's the problem. When you get to hustling, and you get them over right near the edge of the tire, the rear lets go like a cheap Kenda. In fact, you can slide the rear tire away, at will, with the Super Tenere set in TCS-1!!! ??? And I'm talking about on good pavement!!!

I deliberately took the Anakee's on some roads I am familiar with, and have ridden hundreds of times on the Tourance EXP's... And there simply is no comparison. Sure, the Anakee's steer nice and light, and they roll into the corner like magic. They behave wonderfully over any bumps or pavement imperfections on entry, mid-corner, or on exit if you're at 6/10th's, or even at 7/10th's. But get to going much harder than that and you can feel the rear slip, a lot... Almost like it's wore out.

I played with pressures a bit... running up to 42 in the rear and as low as 36, and it never seemed to matter much. For me high pressures worked better, but the simple fact of the matter is that IMHO the Anakee's simply don't have the side and edge grip, on pavement, that the Tourance EXP's do. You can ride around it, and you can compensate for it, but I just cannot say they work as well playing hard in the twisty bits. For me that's a deal-breaker, and the whole stack of cards starts falling back toward the Metzeler's.

Now, that said, if I do think the Anakee's are a better off-road tire than the Tourance EXP's, so if you're riding is split something like 70-30, or even 80-20, pavement-to-dirt then the Anakee's might be the perfect tire. I'm sure that's how Michelin designed them. OTOH, if you ride 90% on pavement, and you like to press pretty hard when the road gets curvy, to me the ol' Tourance EXP is a better choice.

Mind you, I have no idea what kind of mileage the Michelin's will provide. Could be they go a lot farther, and that might tip the scales back to their favor... But right now I have to say this - for me and my kind of riding - when these Michelin Anakee 3's are worn out I think I'll be going back to the Metzeler Tourance EXP's, or maybe trying their new Tourance NEXT.

Just my two centavos... YMMV, and perceptions, too. ::008::

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