Dirt_Dad said:I have to say that seems extraordinarily obvious. The rider clearly exceeded the lean limitations of the bike which were reduced due to accessories installed on the bike.
That said, I suspect I would have been equally ignorant to the new limitations of the bike if I had the same situation. If I crashed due to being ignorant of the bike's limitations that would be my mistake. Thankfully Mike shared his mistake with others so people with a similar setup will be less ignorant of the risks. More people are safer today because of this unfortunate incident, and happily the rider was not seriously hurt.
I have to admit I'm baffled why it is so impossible for some on this thread to accept that a good, maybe even a great rider made a mistake. Just about every champion racer has made a mistake that cost them dearly. These high level riders all freely admit they made a mistake. Lesser skilled riders point to them and say, they made a mistake. It doesn't take anything away from champion level rider. And it doesn't make the lesser skilled rider bad for pointing out they screwed up, and maybe learning something from it.
The attempted intimidation of trying to stop people from discussing mistakes because the one who made a mistake is beyond reproach is really disturbing and should not be accommodated. Pretending the rider has no blame and refusing to learn from this experience is folly
And I have to admit I'm a bit baffled you don't "get it", Dirt Dad, as to why some folks, like myself, have posted in this thread.
I know he made a mistake. Mikef5000 knows he made a mistake... So much so he describes quite frankly what he thinks his mistakes were in this incident. And no one, least of all myself, would want anyone to refrain from the discussion of safer riding techniques and trying to avoid similar mistakes in the future. No one is "beyond reproach"...
But therein lies the rub...
What's really "disturbing and should not be accommodated" to me is folks who jump in and start saying they *KNOW* - beyond the shadow of a doubt - what the rider did wrong, or what mistake he made, without them having so much as a yocto-inkling as to what *ACTUALLY* happened, much less anything about the rider or the conditions. That is well and truly "folly". What's even worse is that so many of those armchair-quarterbacking *experts* felt they, themselves, were "beyond reproach" despite the fact that some of their analysis was so blatantly *WRONG* after the details of the incident came out from the rider himself. Sure, some made the apparently accurate assessment that perhaps the RumBux skid plate played a part in the mishap, but that only came out after the rider himself detailed that to the rest of us.
Those others... Ones who emphatically stated from the get-go that Mikef5000 so obviously got into the corner "too hot"... or that he so obviously chopped the throttle mid-corner (which he says he didn't)... or that his line into the corner was "all wrong"... All those folks made completely *ERRONEOUS* assumptions and allegations, and even after the rider categorically refuted such fiction they continued to state that their own conclusions were the right ones. And one is still suggesting such things simply because he's been to a certain riding school, yet he has not as of yet actually explained how his attending that school demonstrates Mike's cornering line was "all wrong"...
That's what's really "disturbing" and very much total "folly". And even more so because they are all basing this on nothing more than a few relatively low-resolution pictures with digital watermarks all over them. Such bogus analysis is what really shouldn't be "accommodated" by any of us.
Dallara
p.s. - it should also be noted that there are a lot of the erroneous *forensic* posts in another thread about this incident... and that upon looking back through this thread it appears some of the folks who initially posted some of those questionable assessments have quietly deleted their posts! Wonder why?
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