For Safety's Sake.....

[rem]

Well, dangerous twisting roads don't scare me any. It's looking like, by early next week, I'll be tackling my driveway. Yessir. I don't like to brag, but that's gonna take some courage on my part. It's looking like spring may have finally kicked in up here. Snowed all day yesterday, but I think the winter worm may have turned. I'll keep you posted. Let's be careful out there. R ::001::

 

[Dallara]

Duplicate thread.


Skidplate touches first, lifting the front wheel from shots 8 to 9.


Glad he is all right.

According to the rider himself, Mikef5000, it was his big side case that hit first, not the RumBux...

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21297529#post21297529

Just FYI...

Dallara



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[offcamber]

It looked like the pannier hit first. Either way that's pushing the bike to its limit. I don't really get setting a bike up for adventure touring then thrashing it on curves like a sport bike.... ::26::

 

[troll]

I gotta agree with checks, the skid plate rail is down tight in photo 18 and the bag corner is not in sight. dragging hard parts is never a good thing. he is lucky he still has his right foot - you can see that it was swept of the peg early. over driving our skills is always dangerous... machines are are not the problem.

 

[88millimeter]

Your Rumbux should bear the scars of scraping if the did indeed touch first and cause your crash. Did you check them?

Both the rumbux and jesses have scars, but i assumed the jesses hit first and that the bike slid on the rumbux, but it makes more sense that the rumbux hit first or at the same time and caused the loss of traction.

 

[pqsqac]

This guy entered this turn all wrong he was doomed from the beginning a case of out riding his ability to corner properly.

 

[chuma]

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I like that, good one ::025::

Thanks, but I didn't make it up. It is actually more accurate on cruisers with those wide bars sticking way out. They often touch down and lever the wheels right up and out. Many pictures of it happening on that road.

 

[Dallara]

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The definitive answer - from the rider himself...

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21316915&postcount=17403

Just FYI...

Dallara



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[snakebitten]

No reason NOT to experience the dragon if you are in the area. It's part of motorcycle folklore.

But I do suggest middle of the week. (Wednesday is a great "less lunacy" experience) And to consider how your bike is rigged that day.

The Tenere was a hoot there!

 

[tc9988]

This guy entered this turn all wrong he was doomed from the beginning a case of out riding his ability to corner properly.

tell us what you think he did wrong and what you think is the correct way to enter the corner ::017::

 

[Kevhunts]

Well, dangerous twisting roads don't scare me any. It's looking like, by early next week, I'll be tackling my driveway. Yessir. I don't like to brag, but that's gonna take some courage on my part. It's looking like spring may have finally kicked in up here. Snowed all day yesterday, but I think the winter worm may have turned. I'll keep you posted. Let's be careful out there. R ::001::

This is for you Rem!

 

[trasbeck]

I really hesitated to start this, as I did not wish to put any fault on the rider who had a really sucky day. When I saw the photos it reminded me of how these bikes have limits and how mods and add-ons affect those limits. Seemed like sometihing to share and discuss. I have no idea how fast the guy was going and no one else does either when all you have is still photos. It's unfortunate that the freedom of the internet includes being able to run your mouth (keyboard) about something which you have a limited amount of inormation. I'm sure that everyone who has pointed out everything wrong with this incident never made a mistake themselves.

Also something to consider...just leaning the bike over standing still to check cornering clearance ignores the amount of suspension loading in corners...IMHO

 

[rem]

This is for you Rem!

Mighty fine !! Thankee kindly. It is dying today ... a slow death, but HEY ... I'm ok with it. Has soared up to +7 so far (think 45) and supposed to continue on to +9 (think 49). Warmest day OF THE YEAR so far. A couple more days and I can navigate my driveway. Send money. R ::003::

 

[greg the pole]

Mighty fine !! Thankee kindly. It is dying today ... a slow death, but HEY ... I'm ok with it. Has soared up to +7 so far (think 45) and supposed to continue on to +9 (think 49). Warmest day OF THE YEAR so far. A couple more days and I can navigate my driveway. Send money. R ::003::

Well Rem, I winterized the car today, riding the bikes from now on. New stolech springs are sweet, and the new shock out back is mighty fine as well.

 

[limey]

I really hesitated to start this, as I did not wish to put any fault on the rider who had a really sucky day. When I saw the photos it reminded me of how these bikes have limits and how mods and add-ons affect those limits. Seemed like sometihing to share and discuss. I have no idea how fast the guy was going and no one else does either when all you have is still photos. It's unfortunate that the freedom of the internet includes being able to run your mouth (keyboard) about something which you have a limited amount of inormation. I'm sure that everyone who has pointed out everything wrong with this incident never made a mistake themselves.

Also something to consider...just leaning the bike over standing still to check cornering clearance ignores the amount of suspension loading in corners...IMHO

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[JJ Moto Addict]

Step one: Get a better seat.
Though I miss the comfort from the OEM,...
....I never realized the benefits of being able to move around until Corbin.

Here's my bike from Corbin after they built me the 1st seat for the Super T.

That accident would have likely never happened if the rider was able to shift his weight.

Case in point: Image 2, but you can't move smoothly when the material holds you in place.

 

[Reveille]

Sad to see this happen but being documented like this we can all ride away better educated. Does anyone think the crashbars touched first? I am just curious is all? My best guess from the photos is the panniers touched then the skidplate lifting the front tire and loosing traction. Scary to see in slowmo like that. Glad to see the rider walked away. I spent most of last year in and out of the hospital due to an off road get off so he should count his blessings IMHO

 

[Dallara]

I really hesitated to start this, as I did not wish to put any fault on the rider who had a really sucky day. When I saw the photos it reminded me of how these bikes have limits and how mods and add-ons affect those limits. Seemed like sometihing to share and discuss. I have no idea how fast the guy was going and no one else does either when all you have is still photos. It's unfortunate that the freedom of the internet includes being able to run your mouth (keyboard) about something which you have a limited amount of information. I'm sure that everyone who has pointed out everything wrong with this incident never made a mistake themselves.

Also something to consider...just leaning the bike over standing still to check cornering clearance ignores the amount of suspension loading in corners...IMHO

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Very well, put... Eloquent. To the point. And spot on IMHO.

Dallara



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[snakebitten]

I really hesitated to start this, as I did not wish to put any fault on the rider who had a really sucky day. When I saw the photos it reminded me of how these bikes have limits and how mods and add-ons affect those limits. Seemed like sometihing to share and discuss. I have no idea how fast the guy was going and no one else does either when all you have is still photos. It's unfortunate that the freedom of the internet includes being able to run your mouth (keyboard) about something which you have a limited amount of inormation. I'm sure that everyone who has pointed out everything wrong with this incident never made a mistake themselves.

Also something to consider...just leaning the bike over standing still to check cornering clearance ignores the amount of suspension loading in corners...IMHO

Like others have said, you did a good job of getting your point across. It is poignant.

But you did start the thread. You can't be surprised there are varying responses to such highly charged images.
We humans have an assortment of methods of dealing with the emotions those images evoke.

I agree, don't be too quick to judge the unfortunate fella that crashed. But also don't be too harsh towards the responses either.

I know I have personally adjusted my overall view of the incident a bit since this morning.

 

[terryth]

Exactly why I really despise those big metal side adventure cans people like to put on their bikes. Useful for hauling lot of crap, but compromise ground clearance on the road. I had a set of big square aluminum ones on a GS 650 Dakar that I bought (cases came with the bike) and used for a trans Labrador highway trip and sold right after (my tenere was on preorder). I even modified where they were mounted during the trip so the front corner wouldn't hit the pavement quite so early in the corners. Off road, they are even worse, a perfect place to trap/injure your leg between the bag and and a rock, tree or root, etc, or even a simple tip over/slide out on a dirt road, with 600+ lbs behind it. One plus for them, though it doesn't out way the negatives, is that it might make this pig a little less difficult to pick up by yourself if you do dump it



For side cases I use some Hepko Becker 30L junior flashe's. I use them when I need to haul stuff, but then leave them off when I go tackle the rougher stuff.