ABS off switch

[YamaPA]

AFAIK the ABS switch, when activated, disables ABS, Traction control and Speedo, so it's not very elegant

Do we have a second on that opinion?

If so, and I havent done any of these thing yet..........

1. If I just pull the ABS fuse.....if there is one...what happens?
2. If I disconnect the rear wheel sensor and only that sensor...what happens?

 

[Bundu]

Do we have a second on that opinion?

If so, and I havent done any of these thing yet..........

1. If I just pull the ABS fuse.....if there is one...what happens?
2. If I disconnect the rear wheel sensor and only that sensor...what happens?

the following fuses are available on the S10:
I've heard guys just disconnecting front wheel ABS sensor to disable...
If you run some tests, please report back on your findings?

 

[YamaPA]

Thanks Bundu. I could have probably found that, but appreciate your legwork.

I will yank some fuses and disconnect some sensors end of next week (hopefully) and see what happens.

Personally, I dont care if I lose ABS all the time. 38 years riding, and probably 40+ bikes and this is the first bike with ABS...and I dont like it...period. I would have purchased the bike without ABS and/or TC if there was a price discount.

 

[3putt]

Thanks for the OPINIONS guys, but.....and I dont want to be snippy given that I am just starting to post here, but I was asking a question, not solicting on how good YOU think ABS is in the dirt. ABS may work on packed dirt, but it does not work heading down loose stone and pebbles one bit. You may like it, I dont. Let's just leave it at that. My dirt skills are good enough to know when a bike stops and when it doesnt....the bike simply does not stop with ABS in the off road areas I ride. That's my experience. I want a ABS switch because I dont wish to stop, shut the bike off, put it on center stand, place it in 2 gear and run it for 30 seconds, take it off center stand while wathching those I am riding with evaporate into the sunset.

Sorry, but I totally disagree with you here. I was on the same stuff you describe, loose gravel downhill over 40 mph and curves, brakes worked extremely well. I would never have tried the stuff I was doing without the ABS on this bike. Granted I did not start out doing it, I worked up to that point gradually going slow at first till I totally trusted the ABS. I also love the TC1 and TC2, but I like TC1 in the gravel and loose stuff, it allows me to standup and open it up coming out of a turn without sliding out. Very cool electronics on this bike!

Could be the tires, not sure, but for info, I was running the EXP on front at 33psi and the Scout 60 on rear at 35psi. Flat tracking animal in those conditions! The embedded rocks and baby heads is how I broke my front fender and killed a headlight filament.

Course you have been riding a long time. HAHAHA. I love how poeple try to qualify their statements on the internet by how long this is that is! I started out riding in 1963, so I guess what 48 years? I motocrossed in the early 70s on the TM250 and TM400 suzuki.

As for ABS, I have a 2010 Multi1200 without ABS, never missed it. I had a 07 K1200GT for 23,000 miles, the ABS on that bike nearly wrecked me 3 different times, and it was linked. The ABS on this bike REALLY works!

P.S. After discovering this thread up again, I reread it. I must add that maybe the reason some dislike and others say the ABS works offroad is the way we use it. I only use front brake (thus UBS/ABS) never use just rear, as like Stevepsd said, it does not work as well.

 

[Firefight911]

Sorry, but I totally disagree with you here. I was on the same stuff you describe, loose gravel downhill over 40 mph and curves, brakes worked extremely well. I would never have tried the stuff I was doing without the ABS on this bike. Granted I did not start out doing it, I worked up to that point gradually going slow at first till I totally trusted the ABS. I also love the TC1 and TC2, but I like TC1 in the gravel and loose stuff, it allows me to standup and open it up coming out of a turn without sliding out. Very cool electronics on this bike!

Could be the tires, not sure, but for info, I was running the EXP on front at 33psi and the Scout 60 on rear at 35psi. Flat tracking animal in those conditions! The embedded rocks and baby heads is how I broke my front fender and killed a headlight filament.

Course you have been riding a long time. HAHAHA. I love how poeple try to qualify their statements on the internet by how long this is that is! I started out riding in 1963, so I guess what 48 years? I motocrossed in the early 70s on the TM250 and TM400 suzuki.

As for ABS, I have a 2010 Multi1200 without ABS, never missed it. I had a 07 K1200GT for 23,000 miles, the ABS on that bike nearly wrecked me 3 different times, and it was linked. The ABS on this bike REALLY works!

Could not agree with you more David....and I stand by the previous comments I got flamed for.

 

[Tremor38]

Could not agree with you more David....and I stand by the previous comments I got flamed for.

For some of us, life is just one long witch hunt for the sole purpose of finding things wrong because everthing is suspect. Sometimes the problems don't really exist. There is, however, the comfort in knowing you've exorcised some imaginary demon. ::008::

 

[rem]

You do realize that both (all?) of you are correct. If you like the ABS feature, it's there for you to use. If you don't, you have every right to disengage it whenever you wish. It's totally your call. There was substantial comment present in the reviews of the Super Tenere that suggested that an ABS deactivation switch should have been included. Obviously, there is a segment of the riding population that feels the need/desire to do this. Some bikes offer this, as I understand it.


I'd like to try some steep downhill stuff with the ABS both on and off just to see for myself ..... but I'd rather use someone else's bike. Heh heh.


You guys ride safely, however you choose to do it. Eh? R

 

[lbever]

ABS switch install
I finnally got around to installing the Sicass Handlebar ABS cutoff switch. I followed the instructins that R38 outlined on the ADV rider forum. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545850&page=202

It will allow the ABS to be shut off either stopped or moving. But it will not turn the ABS back on. The bike must be shut off and turned back on with the switch in the on position before the ABS to turn on.

It accomplishes my goal of shutting off the ABS on the fly.

Has anybody else installed a switch and had the same results?

 

[erenet]

Check your ABS sensors screws, was cleaning my bike when I noticed the front wheel sensor screw was on its last threads. It's probably a good ideas to put some loctite.

 

[Kevhunts]

Anyone got an answer to the above?

Does anyone have step by step instructions to install an ABS disconnect switch which doesnt create other issues? I've talked to some members who were working on this project (names not to be mentioned) and they said they have a disconnect switch, but it creates havoc with the speedo.

One of you electrically inclined individuals have got to have an answer for this.....PLEASE. I dont do electrics well...in fact I suck at it. Mechanical is no problem, but I have major brain farts with electrical stuff.

Wasp figured this out a while back, try searching his posts.

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=953.msg16325#msg16325

 

[Waspworks]

Wasp figured this out a while back, try searching his posts.

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=953.msg16325#msg16325

Yep - I can switch mine of on the fly at any speed... Activate switch = cut off ABS and TCS and speedo. De-activate (again, on the fly) = TCS and speedo functional while the ABS remains of until the engine is stopped.
If I turn the bike off with the switch activated, all functions remain inactive until the switch is changed again.

Greg.

 

[colorider]

Yep - I can switch mine of on the fly at any speed... Activate switch = cut off ABS and TCS and speedo. De-activate (again, on the fly) = TCS and speedo functional while the ABS remains of until the engine is stopped.
If I turn the bike off with the switch activated, all functions remain inactive until the switch is changed again.

Greg.

Greg, maybe it's early, but I'm confused.... The link to your earlier thread states
"The switch is instant on the move and immediately disconnects the ABS and TCS without needing to stop or slow down.
Switching back the other way on the move immediately reconnects the ABS but leaves the TCS inactive... The ignition must be turned off and the engine re-started to reinstate TCS."
But here you say the ABS.

?????

 

[rem]

Greg, maybe it's early, but I'm confused....

What's your point? I'm always confused .... ::025:: ::025:: ::025:: ::014:: ::013:: ::012:: R ::003::

 

[colorider]

What's your point? I'm always confused .... ::025:: ::025:: ::025:: ::014:: ::013:: ::012:: R ::003::

Maybe it's just always early there in the YT!!!

 

[YamaPA]

Thanks Bundu. I could have probably found that, but appreciate your legwork.

I will yank some fuses and disconnect some sensors end of next week (hopefully) and see what happens.

Better late than never I suppose! As a follow up to sensor and fuse pulling and what happens to what controls (i.e., ABS, TC, speedo, odometer, engine light, etc.) I offer the following. Be advised however that the answer has been provided by others and I am simply rehashing things for sake of matching my results with the thread title t omake it easier for those to find such information if desired.

Please reference post no. 3018 in this thread for the pictures. Ibever referenced it above as well. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=545850&page=202 If you remove the 30 amp fuse for the ABS motor (which the fuse below the thick red wire in the last picture of the post and which is located just below the yellow colored arrow), you will disconnect ABS (the ABS light will also come on), but everything else such as TC, odometer, speedometer, mode switch work as designed. The ABS remains disconnected and the ABS light remains ON as long as the fuse remains removed.

If you start pulling the wheel sensors or the "other" ABS related fuses (there is 7.5 amp and a 20 amp fuse as well), you run into issues involving check engine lights, non switchable mode switch, no speedometer, no odometer, etc. The "best" out of these other "solutions" for no ABS is removal of the 7.5 amp fuse. If the 7.5 AMP fuse is pulled the bike starts and will always start with no ABS, no TCS (and it is not swtichable), mode switch in "sport" (and it is not switchable), no speedomenter and no odometer. Finally, ff you play with the TC switch while moving, you CAN (it only did it once to me) trigger the check engine light. Not sure why anyone would go this route, but you now have the information.

 

[stevepsd]

Hummm.....now to find a handlebar switch that will reliably handle a 30 AMP load......

 

[Firefight911]

Hummm.....now to find a handlebar switch that will reliably handle a 30 AMP load......

That's easy, run it through a relay. You don't want a 30 amp load up on your handlebars anyway!!

 

[stevepsd]

That's easy, run it through a relay. You don't want a 30 amp load up on your handlebars anyway!!

Very true.

 

[Skiptonian]

sorry, I must have missed something here, but my European bike I can switch off the ABS as it says in the handbook. Ok the light would stay on if I wanted it off but I don't yet, but press and hold the TCS1 / TCS2 button on the left and hey presto No ABS. 3-21 of the manual states
"Push the traction control system switch for less than 1 second to change between TCS 1 & 2 . Push the switch for at least two seconds to select TCS mode "off" and turn the traction control system off. Push the button again to return to the previously selected mode 1 or 2."
Is this just for Europeans ? if so I wonder why and also if there are any other electronic differneces?
I guess this has already been treaded eyons ago but ......... there you go.

 

[jajpko]

sorry, I must have missed something here, but my European bike I can switch off the ABS as it says in the handbook. Ok the light would stay on if I wanted it off but I don't yet, but press and hold the TCS1 / TCS2 button on the left and hey presto No ABS. 3-21 of the manual states
"Push the traction control system switch for less than 1 second to change between TCS 1 & 2 . Push the switch for at least two seconds to select TCS mode "off" and turn the traction control system off. Push the button again to return to the previously selected mode 1 or 2."
Is this just for Europeans ? if so I wonder why and also if there are any other electronic differneces?
I guess this has already been treaded eyons ago but ......... there you go.

Sound to me like your just turning off Traction Control, not ABS.
Our bikes do the same thing. Unless I'm missing something.