ABS off switch

[Brntrt]

Re: Re: ABS off switch

If the slope is steep and slippery enough, you won't stop regardless ;-);-) but I do see your point because you want to turn the rear into a plow to better slow the bike. That's really the only valid reason, so, sure if you expect to be finding yourself in that circumstance, by all means. To me that's not common enough to have a factory ABS off sw. Aftermarket is a different matter.

Exactly, I want the option of a rider controlled rear tire plow as opposed to the ABS uncontrolled descent. By manual input of rear braking one can effectivly control the speed of descent as well as having a better chance of stopping the bike. My other option is not exploring the limits of this very capable dual sport, and that ain't going to happen ;D.

 

[Blue_eyes]

For those of you who are looking for an ABS off switch: Look at http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=733.0

I already posted this link on page 2 of this topic but apparently some peoples eyes are covered with mud.

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[fender5803]

I'm thinking I won't need the switch on/off capability. Unless you're gonna be riding goat trails, likely not a concern. Up here, there is a nice combination of pavement, semi-well maintained gravel roads, and stretches of construction.

However, based on some of the videos I've seen, this bike is capable of some serious stuff. The rider needs to have the skills. I don't, but then I'm not going there. I think it will be a perfect fit for my purposes. R

This sums it it for me perfectly and if I need to I'll try the 'center stand off ' method.

 

[troll]

I have to chime in here again. I was almost convinced that I didn't need an ABS off switch after retraining my self to grab the front rather than step on the rear. Well after yesterday I'm back in the give me switch crowd. Yesterday while descending a steep, wet, leaf covered, loose stone road I had to let the bike run away or loose control. Grabbing the front brake did slow the bike however the front brake caused loss of steering control. I just let the bike run out using the rear brake. There was no way the rear brake alone could stop the bike or slow it down(the rear brake did slow the acceleration). Fortunately it wasn't a long hill and ran out into a firmer surface. Definately needed to be able to lock up the rear brake for this one. I know the argument that 99% of the time the ABS works perfectly, I know the 1 % of the time it doesn't may have a serious outcome.

I have to ask if down shifting might provide the rear wheel restraint that might be needed in situations like you have described. I do not have enough experience with ABS or the SupaT at this point so it is just a thought. This big motor produces a lot of engine compression brakeing. I will have to wait until the snow is gone in April to test this theory.

 

[phplemel]

In 17000km of riding since July 27th I've had exactly 2 ABS -bringing me closer to god incidents. I love it 99.9% of the time but for that .01% I've already rigged up a nice switch & fuse that takes about 10minutes to install and will work how I want it. Don't care what others are doing on their bikes, this works for ME ::021::

 

[paulerik]

Good 14000 km behind in Finland and several European countries. Not a minute of need to switch ABS off yet, let's see next summer on a challenging tour in the Polar Circle.

 

[20valves]

Grabbing the front brake did slow the bike however the front brake caused loss of steering control.

I don't understand. I only lose steering control when the front wheel is locked, which it never will be with ABS.

 

[Z06]

I have to chime in here again. I was almost convinced that I didn't need an ABS off switch after retraining my self to grab the front rather than step on the rear. Well after yesterday I'm back in the give me switch crowd. Yesterday while descending a steep, wet, leaf covered, loose stone road I had to let the bike run away or loose control. Grabbing the front brake did slow the bike however the front brake caused loss of steering control. I just let the bike run out using the rear brake. There was no way the rear brake alone could stop the bike or slow it down(the rear brake did slow the acceleration). Fortunately it wasn't a long hill and ran out into a firmer surface. Definately needed to be able to lock up the rear brake for this one. I know the argument that 99% of the time the ABS works perfectly, I know the 1 % of the time it doesn't may have a serious outcome.
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What would have been the advantage of being able to lock up the rear wheel?

 

[tenerejack]

It's a proven fact that a ABS can stop a car or bike much faster than one w/o. I've been an off roader for 35 years and been in many situations where I needed to stop fast and when on a bike, going too fast toward an obstacle, locking up the rear wheel is a bad situation and locking the front wheel in leaves or gravel is suicide. How many of us have locked the front brake in a real life situation on pavement? Not many but if technology adds to performance then I'll take it any day. BTW - The Super-T stops pretty well on my 800 ft gravel driveway that leads to a dirt road. I was amazed the old lock and sideways slide didn't happen. I'm not saying it's stable by any means but comparably speaking when you're driving on marbles, nothing is. I'm not sure why anyone would want to turn off ABS. You cant turn off the ABS in your car. The Super-T ABS is awesome! I did have to get used to it since stopping is not like on my old 650 or Harley plus it makes a funny noise when it comes on so at first it freaks you out. Cheers ST Fans!

 

[snakebitten]

It's a proven fact that a ABS can stop a car or bike much faster than one w/o. I've been an off roader for 35 years and been in many situations where I needed to stop fast and when on a bike, going too fast toward an obstacle, locking up the rear wheel is a bad situation and locking the front wheel in leaves or gravel is suicide. How many of us have locked the front brake in a real life situation on pavement? Not many but if technology adds to performance then I'll take it any day. BTW - The Super-T stops pretty well on my 800 ft gravel driveway that leads to a dirt road. I was amazed the old lock and sideways slide didn't happen. I'm not saying it's stable by any means but comparably speaking when you're driving on marbles, nothing is. I'm not sure why anyone would want to turn off ABS. You cant turn off the ABS in your car. The Super-T ABS is awesome! I did have to get used to it since stopping is not like on my old 650 or Harley plus it makes a funny noise when it comes on so at first it freaks you out. Cheers ST Fans!

I would have liked having the on/off switch just because it would be an easy option. But like you, my house is about a 1/4 mile back in the woods and I maintain my own road. With the TCS, ABS, and K60's, I have been acting a fool on this huge beast. I am amazed at how aggressive you can charge this thing once you get a feeling for how the technology assist is going to .......well, assist.

 

[GrahamD]

It's good, but it still doesn't work for 100% of people, That's all there is to it.

Probably more than 9/10 people will never bother touching it.

YAMAHA made the call, and gave out information freely at the launch about how it can be overridden, for those that wear underpants on the outside.
I am not one of them, I will run out of talent sooner than the top 5% guaranteed..

So pick one of the three popular disable options and memorize it.

It's good to know if you need to at some point.

I would use it rarely enough that the centre stand option would be just fine. (Yet to be seen though)

 

[MrTwisty]

I for one, would like an ABS on/off switch. I've haven't ridden a Super T yet, and I'm sure the ABS is wonderful, but there are times when being able to slide the rear tire a little can be extremely beneficial. Why limit the options?

 

[GrahamD]

Why limit the options?

YAMAHA did what they did, just as Suzuki does, because they expected a lot of occasional riders who don't have enough saddle time to develop the skills to out do it and probably won't go that deep that they need to disable it. BUT for a small cost it can be made switchable,

I think if they made it an option all they would get is a bunch of people assuming they needed it as well, which happens quite frequently, because it's a rule of thumb generated by years of BMW ABS experience, therefore having a bunch of easily panicked inexperienced riders running around doing a worse job than the ABS would have in the first place.

AT least this way you have to prove to yourself that you NEED to turn it off, before you spend the $60.00.

It would be good to have a switch IF YOU PROVED you needed it, is what I am going to stick to. ;D

The Vstrom is not too shabby either, but We are not talking about steep muddy downhill sections here either. For those condition, yes, rear wheel drag is a must have OR an anchor Or spare truck tyre or two tied to a rope. How steep do you want?

VStrom ABS Testing on Dirt Roads

Bear in mind that the Strom doesn't do Unified braking. so it;s like the S10 touch the rear first.

 

[rem]

Uh, oh. The dreaded ABS off switch debate. Interesting video, Graham. Thanks for posting. It all comes down to a personal decision I guess, and no problem with that. For me, I'd never use it, but then I'm not a highly experienced off-roader. I tend to agree with you that Yamaha left it off primarily due to liability concerns. Someone would switch it off to mess around a little on some dirt road, then forget to turn it back on again on the highway. The way they have it, you have to go to a lot of trouble to turn it off, and it comes back on automatically at some point. Probably a good compromise.


I was told by my Nissan dealer that the reason a "remote start" thingy didn't come with my truck was because of pressure from the environmentalists. You are more likely to waste gas with one of those. So, if you want one, you do the same thing and go third party.


Oh, and by the way, did Confucius REALLY say that ???? ::012:: ::012:: ::012:: R

 

[Tremor38]

Just a little enticement for integrated look..a Beemer-slick off switch. In the group of 6 pics, upper RH photo....It looks oh so right! Check out the link I had to remove the image tags cause one of the sights didn't like it (the dreaded 'red x') Enlarging to about 200% works well.

http://s17.postimage.org/snhc9rd7h/Prezzitoscorid.jpg

Not that I'll ever need it, but for those who keep saying they saw their life flash by.....

 

[terryth]

I ride off road extensively on real off road bikes and there have been many times I have gone down an incredibly steep and slippery down hill with the rear locked up all the way to control the speed if there was a reason for not taking the down hill at speed, sharp turn with a drop off on the outside of it, obstacles , too long, no run out at the bottom, etc. The front has better traction by far on a steep downhill but doing a stoppy on a steep down hill and going over the bars is not fun. On ugly downhills, your just trying to ease it down it and survive in one piece on the ST, losing it downhill on my 230lb CR250R trail bike is a lot less potentially hurtful than on the 600 lb plus ST. In these cases, I just turn the ignition off to be able to lock the wheels as needed. Having it in gear with the bike off and using the clutch to control the drag of the rear wheel is another technique I have used to ease a bike down an ugly hill.

I have to chime in here again. I was almost convinced that I didn't need an ABS off switch after retraining my self to grab the front rather than step on the rear. Well after yesterday I'm back in the give me switch crowd. Yesterday while descending a steep, wet, leaf covered, loose stone road I had to let the bike run away or loose control. Grabbing the front brake did slow the bike however the front brake caused loss of steering control. I just let the bike run out using the rear brake. There was no way the rear brake alone could stop the bike or slow it down(the rear brake did slow the acceleration). Fortunately it wasn't a long hill and ran out into a firmer surface. Definately needed to be able to lock up the rear brake for this one. I know the argument that 99% of the time the ABS works perfectly, I know the 1 % of the time it doesn't may have a serious outcome.
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What would have been the advantage of being able to lock up the rear wheel?

 

[MeefZah]

I realize the last post here was several months ago, but I'm curious if anyone has installed a switch by circumventing the 30A "ABS solenoid" fuse pictured in one of the ADVrider links listed earlier in this thread?

It seems like running 25 or so amps through a normal switch would be pushing the limits of the switch, and I hate to wire a relay in just due to the extra effort entailed.

Anyone?

Side note regarding the ABS issue over the last 10 pages; there is a reason no dirt oriented dual sports (WRR, DRZ, etc) come with ABS. Having the ability to lock the rear wheel to induce a controlled slide is essential in off road riding. Even on the more road oriented Tenere, and even in my brief 1500 miles of ownership, I've had situations where the rear wheel was failing to lock when I wanted it to and resulted in the motorcycle sliding further than I wanted it to. This is most prevalent on rutted, loose downhills.

 

[jasonmb]

I just did this: http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=5694.0 works perfect. I purchased a waterproof toggle (25 amp) from a local marine store. Could not be happier.

 

[3putt]

Trying to use the rear brake only like a regular dirt bike will not work on this bike. Only use the front brake and UBS/ABS works fine, in all offroad conditions. If you want to slide the rear around, do it with power not the rear brake, brake hard before the turn (front brake only) then power around the corner.

 

[Hungry Tiger]

I agree w/ Tiger One. This bike is too heavy to be skidding into a turn. Need to have the speed right going into the turn, then power out if desired. BTW the S10 ABS got a big thumbs up over same on the BMW GS1200's by a staff member at the Jimmy Lewis riding school.

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