Will you take the vaccine

[Checkswrecks]

Just like people saying the vaccines are not proven and experimental.

After being removed from experimental status a couple years ago. Before more than 12 BILLION got the shot.

But the intertoobs say . . .

 

[Sierra1]

"They" should have made more public that the vaccine wasn't invented/finished in one year. "They" had been working on SARS 2 for 10 years, and covid was close enough to use that work to develop the current vaccine(s).

I have no problem telling the emperor that he's nekid. I usually get in trouble for doing exactly that.

I'm still curious that if Trump had won and deployed the vaccine that he had promised would be ready by the end of '20 . . . . would it be Blue that was against it v. Red? I think when Biden told everybody to get vaccinated, that instigated the current "pro v. anti" camps.

We'll never know.

 

[Bill_C]

I'm still curious that if Trump had won and deployed the vaccine that he had promised would be ready by the end of '20 . . . . would it be Blue that was against it v. Red? I think when Biden told everybody to get vaccinated, that instigated the current "pro v. anti" camps.

We'll never know.

This is the exact thought that I have had. I remember Harris saying she'd never take it when Trump promised it would be available. Suddenly it was good once he was out if office. Same vaccine, different administration.

Now, full disclosure. I got my first and second jab but have not, and likely will not, get any more. It gave me side effects that I didn't like and the actual virus wasn't that bad for me. To each their own. Everyone needs to decide for themselves.

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[Sierra1]

. . . . It gave me side effects that I didn't like and the actual virus wasn't that bad for me. . . .

Yeah, I will admit that after each jab, I don't feel the best. But it's gone in a day. I'm also bettin' that there were some residual antibodies still in ya' when you caught it. They last longer in some people more than others.

 

[Checkswrecks]

I agree with you guys and do think Trump could've had a good chance of re-election if he'd not denied the virus for the first months, been trying to cut the NIH budget so badly, and allowed his staff to re-allocate money to go to making ventilators and masks. Despite the timeline below he was first told about how bad COVID was on January 23 and 28 then told Bob Woodward on Feb. 7 that the coronavirus was “deadly stuff” transmitted by air, a threat “more deadly” than the flu. Meanwhile the Dems were distracted with their focus on impeaching him for trying to withhold funds from Ukraine's ongoing war with Russia since 2014. Since the Dems held half of the purse strings and put their focus elsewhere there's plenty of blame to go around.

In the late Spring the NIH internally shifted funds from other priorities, but those months missed in the beginning meant the deliveries came too late, more people died, and of course what a boon for Biden.

 

[Mak10]

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payers/more-vaccinated-unvaccinated-now-dying-covid-19

Thanks. This data tends to contradict the pie charts posted earlier, and supports the effectiveness of the vaccines. Don't confuse the two shades of green. This data is different as shows incidences of infection, not deaths, so is not supportive or even comparable to the bogus pie charts. Only someone who does not understand the data would use this information to support the prior false information and hope the person(s) the data is presented to is equally ignorant. Someone wishing to promote a conspiracy theory created or adulterated those pie charts.

I'm sorry I disagree, and if you want to wade through the data, here is a link to the data. The Washington post, Kaiser foundation came out with the analysis.

https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/d6p8-wqjm

No one, not even the main stream media is disputing the fact that the vaccinated are now a higher percentage of deaths than the un-vaccinated.

Furthermore, THE SCIENTIFIC DATA is pointing that the biggest factor is coming down to the age of the person who died.

And yet the rhetoric is still " your being selfish" for not getting vaccinated. Who is being selfish? The retired guy in the age bracket that is the majority of deaths? What about the school age children, buisness owners, working class? What damage has this done?

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Conspiracy theory? Nope. People can see this is political. People can follow the money. Trust big Pharma?

Only 11% are getting the latest booster. WHY? Many have had Covid, some multiple times. The probability of dying for those under the age of 50 is so minuscule. Why take the risk of getting a shot that has not been tested long term. And to deny that there are some serious side effects for some is naive.

People are starting to question the "science" behind travel restrictions for unvaccinated, but not for someone holding a vaccinated card.

Truth: vaccinated people get infected. Vaccinated people transmit Covid. Vaccinated people are still dying from Covid.

 

[Mak10]

 

[Checkswrecks]

I think Bill Gates remark was closest, in that he never said the vaccines prevent getting it. What's left out of the graphic are the two things that the vaccines are really intended to do, and those are to reduce transmission overall and to reduce the risk of death to those getting the vaccine. The number of cases and especially deaths is down so it's met those goals.

Since the effectiveness of the vaccine wears off over time, so many got the first shot, AND so few people have kept up with the boosters, yes, it's easy to say that most people now dying of COVID got the vaccine. But even those are of the smaller number shown getting covid in the right end of the chart above.

To me and now that the wider public health crisis is over and COVID is just another illness that we don't need to die from, it's just Darwin on how people make their own decisions.

 

[Sierra1]

I compare the covid "vaccine" to the flu shot. If they don't pick the right strain of flu to fight, it isn't as effective. And you have to get it yearly, and not too early, but not too late.

The stat about vaccinated people dying more than non-vaccinated people . . . . hmmmm. Define vaccinated. 'Cuz it does make a difference in your vaccination status. Just like a flue shot. . . . not 100% effective. Nothing is.

 

[AusTexS10]

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My guess is almost all of these quotes are dated, before the actual efficacy of the vaccines was fully established, and maybe intended simply to encourage vaccination. I'm not certain why Bill Gates was in this graphic, because his statement was true. I don't know that I'd find something called The Free Thought Society as a reliable or reputable source of scientific information. The very name implies people can think what they want, regardless of the data or other opinions they may be presented; that is true in our country, but ironically it does immunize them from many truths with which they don't happen to agree simply because they don't have to.

 

[Sierra1]

Listen to "We the People" by Kid Rock. (NSFW) Sums me up fairly well.

 

[Eville Rich]

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I don't know about all that, nor do I care what these folks say. Not really sure what all the rancor is about vaccines. I'm on my second booster and don't really have a concern. I did get COVID last winter, but it was pretty mild and over quickly, an experience others I know with vaccines have had. I don't expect a vaccine to be 100 percent effective. My primary motivations are to reduce severity and reduce transmission should I get sick.

But I also don't get scared by vaccines, with fear of the "something" seeming to drive a lot of people away.

Whatever. Everyone has their risk perception profile. I don't go spelunking due to some iffy past experiences. I know people that still do, with the same shared experiences. Of course, spelunking isn't contagious and is a decision. Getting or passing a contagious disease isn't, though risks can be mitigated. The vaccine is just one approach to that and one I'm not afraid of. Heck, I've had the flu vaccine and Shingles vaccine this year, along with a COVID booster. I'm a mudblood and quite fine with that Still kicking, though I could improve my diet and exercise practices.

Best,
Eville Rich

 

[AusTexS10]

I don't know about all that, nor do I care what these folks say. Not really sure what all the rancor is about vaccines. I'm on my second booster and don't really have a concern. I did get COVID last winter, but it was pretty mild and over quickly, an experience others I know with vaccines have had. I don't expect a vaccine to be 100 percent effective. My primary motivations are to reduce severity and reduce transmission should I get sick.

But I also don't get scared by vaccines, with fear of the "something" seeming to drive a lot of people away.

Whatever. Everyone has their risk perception profile. I don't go spelunking due to some iffy past experiences. I know people that still do, with the same shared experiences. Of course, spelunking isn't contagious and is a decision. Getting or passing a contagious disease isn't, though risks can be mitigated. The vaccine is just one approach to that and one I'm not afraid of. Heck, I've had the flu vaccine and Shingles vaccine this year, along with a COVID booster. I'm a mudblood and quite fine with that Still kicking, though I could improve my diet and exercise practices.

Best,
Eville Rich

Excellent comment. My general observation of our populace on this subject is it breaks down into "I'm vaccinated to protect myself and others because I can" versus "I'm not getting vaccinated to protect myself and others because I don't have to." Unfortunately, I had friends that were of the latter group that are no longer with us simply because of their attitude, and I'm sad for their families and other friends.

 

[pooh and xtine]

Not quite. I’m not getting another booster because the risks associated with the vaccine outweigh the risk of it potentally reducing the severity of infection. I know it doesn’t protect others because it neither prevents infection nor transmission.

 

[fac191]

Alot of decisions turned out to be not as necessary as required. Mistakes will be made everybody is human. These were very big calls to make for any Politician. All you can do in that situation is rely on the advice you get. Look at the advice we got from the Tobacco companies about Cancer, the Oil Companies about Fossil Fuels, people who lead us into wars etc ect. Who knows how it could have turned out if we did not act. Hopefully we will learn some lessons from this and do it better next time. But people need to be wary of being anti vax as they are the only weapon we have against them. There is going to be a big problem in the future because the anti biotics we have are becoming less and less effective. It doesnt help that they are used prolificly in intensive farming. We ought not get complacent because Viruses are always looking for the next big win.

 

[Mak10]

Virtue signalling at its best. "I'm vaccinated to protect myself" I can understsand. However Vaccinated people can contract AND spread Covid. Saying that "I'm protecting others". Doesn't work anymore. If it makes you feel better, I guess there is that.

 

[fac191]

Virtue signalling at its best. "I'm vaccinated to protect myself" I can understsand. However Vaccinated people can contract AND spread Covid. Saying that "I'm protecting others". Doesn't work anymore. If it makes you feel better, I guess there is that.

You are right masks and social distancing was to stop spreading. But how can we explain eradicating dieseases ?

 

[Fennellg]

suffices to say many miss steps on both sides of the politic spectrum concerning COVID.

 

[Eville Rich]

Virtue signalling at its best. "I'm vaccinated to protect myself" I can understsand. However Vaccinated people can contract AND spread Covid. Saying that "I'm protecting others". Doesn't work anymore. If it makes you feel better, I guess there is that.

LOL. Virtue signalling? Seriously? I've hear enough of that crap from people talking about being "pure blood." If concern over the well being if others is somehow not viewed as real and is a "signal" ( if what, I don't know), I guess that's a philosophy. Kinda lonely one, in my opinion, but that's the great thing about philosophies - everybody has one.

 

[fac191]

I have 2 to 3% Neandertal DNA so you can count me out of the pure blood deal.