I thought it was a built-in design issue, not a wear issue.sharealike said:
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markjenn said:
I think it has more to do with shimming the springs in some manner or replacing the springs with more exact tolerance.. I think its one or more spring(s) that get into a harmonic vibe of some sort..
Mine has this vibe in first gear @ 3K
OK, so as I thought based on your writing style, you are one and the same:
http://www.vstrom.info/Smf/index.php/topic,12325.0.html
So, have you work on a couple of these and sent them back out into the field? If I read between the lines you indeed have. You are also a vendor so please change your profile accordingly.
http://www.vstrom.info/Smf/index.php/topic,12325.0.html
So, have you work on a couple of these and sent them back out into the field? If I read between the lines you indeed have. You are also a vendor so please change your profile accordingly.
I'm one that got defensive real early on when it was suggested we had a potential crappy clutch design.
But then I gained my composure and heard the whole thing out.
Along with the feedback of my fellow Tenere riders, I realized there is potential for a clutch vibration issue to be the source of some of that engine "character", even though it doesn't bother me.
Put another way, there ARE other riders that ARE bothered by some of the "vibrations" this bike makes.
So, again, I chose to back off on my fanboy-idis and let this idea be researched.
From what I understand, these same efforts DID result in valid remedies for the V-strom owners. So that lends sufficient credibility for me to be open minded.
Just my thoughts.
But then I gained my composure and heard the whole thing out.
Along with the feedback of my fellow Tenere riders, I realized there is potential for a clutch vibration issue to be the source of some of that engine "character", even though it doesn't bother me.
Put another way, there ARE other riders that ARE bothered by some of the "vibrations" this bike makes.
So, again, I chose to back off on my fanboy-idis and let this idea be researched.
From what I understand, these same efforts DID result in valid remedies for the V-strom owners. So that lends sufficient credibility for me to be open minded.
Just my thoughts.
Geez, the poor guy is just trying to help. I don't know why some are getting so defensive and making him out to be a troll. He's not bashing the bike, he's just pointing out that some of them may have vibes that are similar to the DL1000, a bike which he made a huge improvement to with his knowledge on the topic. I'd love it if he found a solution that cured some of the 3000 to 3500 rpm vibes. Let him keep working on it, don't scare him off!!!!!!
Thanks for the clarification on the vendor front. I checked before starting to post that all was in order. Hope it still is. Depends on the trials so could be a service ready in a few weeks or a year if I stay with it. Then again Yamaha might be shamed into sorting it out at no cost to their owners. Then again it's the clutch and they can often worm their way out on abuse or natural wear item grounds.elwood said:
Situation to date is this.
One modified basket has gone out to the owner today. Hope to have the other ready soon.
I was invited here independently by three owners that I first investigated, designed and then fixed the Suzuki problem for some two to three years ago. They migrated to the S10 from DL or SV 1000's. Convinced their S10 might have a similar problem they asked for my input. I retired some years back and just love fathoming out stuff that no one else can take or has the time to sort out. My way of enjoying the social side of motorcycling and been my life long passion.
Another two owners then responded to my request and kindly put up their S10 baskets for this trial. Basis is they paid post here. I pay post back and all costs for the development and upgrade here including parts, power, light, tools and some flowers for my wife because I neglected her for the last month or more. Owner then has to bear the cost of fuel to ride round on what I hope will be like a different bike.
This is a for the members, by the members effort just like it was with the Suzuki's. If there is something to sell at the end then perhaps that's all well and good. I have nothing to hide but can't write everything down at once. The internet lets like minded owners communicate and be so much better informed about living with a product than the manufacturers can ever be.
There's a real sense of support starting to come through. Thank you.
Sorry, don't mean to scare anyone off and I am not defensive about it, I don't have an opinion if there is an issue or not. Much like the hard start problem if you don't have it, you don't have know what it is like to have it. I just recognized the writing style and went and looked. I think he ought to be clear he developed solutions on the Vstrom for a similar problem - if I missed a post where he said so then my bad. Regardless, he does sell solutions in the space so he should be clear about that - IMO it helps clarify things for other readers. He definitely has expertise.rotortech71 said:
OTOH - the last post greater than one sentence long was full of innuendo about a potential problem, one apparently that some riders have or are at the very least bothered by and he was asked to be more specific or clarify. It appears that a fix may have been developed and may have been deployed - it would probably be good for those that suffer from this to know more.
@sharealike please by all means keep after it - I will probably have the issue crop up on the way home now that I have managed to ruffle some feathers on the topic! All joking aside keep after it.
Thanks for the clarification - seems my other post crossed this one on the wire.sharealike said:
I hope your solution works out for folks. I hope and don't have to end up on the list but will be greatefull for your efforts if I do. I know the Strom owners that had you fix theirs were happy so I am sure you will be successful.
rotortech71 said:
Amen, Rotortech!!! ::012::
Here we got a couple of guys - Roll_It_On & Sharealike - and they're taking their own time, effort, and money to see if they can find a potential solution to a problem numerous members have said affect their Super Tenere riding experience. Sharealike in these recent posts hasn't asked for one thin dime, and has been nice enough to share his thoughts and ideas, as well as findings so far of his research. He didn't have to, and we all should be quite appreciative that he has taken the time to share with us, especially considering his previous experience in the area.
Much like AVC has brought us great new information on the Super Tenere's ECU mapping, and now a solution where anyone can re-map their own ECU, remove throttle restrictions, add-in quick-shifting programming, etc., etc., these guys could be on to something with the clutch basket that might help us all. Why all the negativity and hostility from some folks?
Geez, people... If you don't like what they're doing *DON'T READ THE THREAD!!!" Don't run 'em off! Let 'em get on with their R&D. They may come up with something we all want before it's over.
After all, Sharealike is actually *doing* something to try and cure a problem, not just whining, moaning, and complaining...
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I believe we now have peace n harmony on this subject.
I'm currently sitting in my favorite Yoga position. With a steady low Huuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Just a slight vibration can be felt emanating from within.
I'm currently sitting in my favorite Yoga position. With a steady low Huuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Just a slight vibration can be felt emanating from within.
snakebitten said:I believe we now have peace n harmony on this subject.
I'm currently sitting in my favorite Yoga position. With a steady low Huuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Just a slight vibration can be felt emanating from within.
Damn Dallara , I thought you were on vacation! Foiled again! At least we aren't talking about the 'supposed' hard start problem. ;-)Dallara said:Amen, Rotortech!!! ::012::
Here we got a couple of guys - Roll_It_On & Sharealike - and there taking their own time, effort, and money to see if they can find a potential solution to a problem numerous members have said affect their Super Tenere riding experience. Sharealike in these recent posts hasn't asked for one thin dime, and has been nice enough to share his thoughts and ideas, as well as findings so far of his research. He didn't have to, and we all should be quite appreciative that he has taken the time to share with us, especially considering his previous experience in the area.
Much like AVC has brought us great new information on the Super Tenere's ECU mapping, and now a solution where anyone can re-map their own ECU, remove throttle restrictions, add-in quick-shifting programming, etc., etc., these guys could be on to something with the clutch basket that might help us all. Why all the negativity and hostility from some folks?
Geez, people... If you don't like what they're doing *DON'T READ THE THREAD!!!" Don't run 'em off! Let 'em get on with their R&D. They may come up with something we all want before it's over.
After all, Sharealike is actually *doing* something to try and cure a problem, not just whining, moaning, and complaining...
Dallara
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Like I said, shareable, please feel welcome here, I hope my style didn't put you off, I was at work and tapping it out quick and off the top of my head.
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Tpak,
You're all good.
And I totally understand.
I gotta defend ya because my initial reaction was similar back when the thread was started.
You're all good.
And I totally understand.
I gotta defend ya because my initial reaction was similar back when the thread was started.
Red dust
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I was very "down" just after purchasing my ST regarding vibes but you guys told me that it would get better after awhile and it did! Just did a 8 hour day (had a couple of fuels stops in between) and hardly any problems with my hands, this bike is getting better and better!
Really want to do the reflash asap, fit crashbars and install my Flexx handlebars that will be delivered next week after those last farkles I believe my ST is complete..... maybe not?
Cheers!
Really want to do the reflash asap, fit crashbars and install my Flexx handlebars that will be delivered next week after those last farkles I believe my ST is complete..... maybe not?
Cheers!
Yea, I remember your vibration trials well. And when it was happening, it's probably hard to swallow everyone just telling you it gets better. But now you know. It really does. We weren't misleading you!Red dust said:
Glad to hear your Tenere is coming into its own. Bike just keeps getting better.
You should love hearing that at 30,000 miles, it's a peach.
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Ok. I am doing my best to rack up the miles. "only" up to 4000 miles so far but a huge difference and lot of $ later but who can put a price on happiness? One big issue is my other 2 bikes (R1 & B-King) collecting dust but will still keep the ST company in the garage, get bugger all anyway if I want to sell`em.
Got a friend with a GSA and I think he is surprised of the capability of my ST, he did not like the stock handlebar though but he said the bike felt lighter than his GSA which it is not with all my equipment, my gf sis hubby tried my bike as well and he got pain just after minutes so I believe stock handlebar can be an issue for quite a few people. Been riding for 30 years and I believe this will be the best out of my 19 bikes so far.
Think the bike got good torque now can not image after a reflash! Found a good company here in Australia just need to save up for the AUD$495 it will cost.
One day I might even find a solution to have a screen against rain and whenever it is cold without the dreaded buffeting, will order a Madstad bracket but it helped vaguely for my DL650 and I do not have high hopes for this bike either, so far I ride it naked = without screen and it is bliss, if it is not cold.... and it does not look the best without a screen but compared to my old adv bike the Wee strom this bike looks like a photo model.
Ride safe!
Got a friend with a GSA and I think he is surprised of the capability of my ST, he did not like the stock handlebar though but he said the bike felt lighter than his GSA which it is not with all my equipment, my gf sis hubby tried my bike as well and he got pain just after minutes so I believe stock handlebar can be an issue for quite a few people. Been riding for 30 years and I believe this will be the best out of my 19 bikes so far.
Think the bike got good torque now can not image after a reflash! Found a good company here in Australia just need to save up for the AUD$495 it will cost.
One day I might even find a solution to have a screen against rain and whenever it is cold without the dreaded buffeting, will order a Madstad bracket but it helped vaguely for my DL650 and I do not have high hopes for this bike either, so far I ride it naked = without screen and it is bliss, if it is not cold.... and it does not look the best without a screen but compared to my old adv bike the Wee strom this bike looks like a photo model.
Ride safe!
roll_it_on
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I purchased a second clutch basket so I would have one to open up and experiment with and one to make the bike go ::26:: John (sharealike) currently has my second basket so he could evaluate it and add his expertise. I am running a modified unit in my bike now that helped significantly with the 3-3.5K rpm rattle/vib that my bike made under light load. I helped with this issues but did not cure it. It happens to bug the heck out of me to have the engine give that harsh knock just when it should be purring along. Many would not even think twice about the issue and the best part is if you are one that this does not bother then pay no attention as it won't hurt the bike and won't leave you anyplace you didn't plan on stoping at. As I mentioned before I came from a DL1000 which had the known basket issue and was cured with the fix. Night and day difference once you have it sorted....at least for me. My ST is flashed/headered/mapped/9K miles and runs fantastic but still has this issue and I am very much looking forward to swapping out my basket when it gets shipped back from over the pond.
ianf
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Just some information for you all.My st suffered badly from shudder at 2800-3200 from new,it has now covered 9000 miles,its 3 years old so no warranty.I contacted john(sharealike),who offered to do his modification,i sent him the clutch basket wich i got back yesterday,took it out for a 200 hundred mile run today,i am very pleased with the results,under normal riding 95% of the shudder has been fixed.There is still a slight problem at exactly 3200,when the engine is under hard load.I given john alot of feedback,for him to digest,& think about,so hopefully he can help those who have this annoying problem,
Just wanted to revive this thread to see if there was anything new to share on the progress of the mod to the clutch basket. Over the last few months, I've kind of trained myself to nurse the throttle through the 3000 rpm range to reduce this shudder. I'm still bothered a little by it, but was starting to forget it, until yesterday!!! Yesterday I swapped bikes with another S10 owner for about 30 miles or so. Both bikes have about 4000 miles on them. This vibration is practically non existent on his bike. The moment I accelerated away from a stop on his bike, I immediately yelled "CRAP, NO WAY!" in my helmet, because his bike was so much smoother through 3000 rpm, and up through the rest of the RPM range as well. This fully explains why some people agree with this thread, and some don't. This issue exists with varying degrees of severity, and as I discovered yesterday, some are fortunate enough to wind up with bikes that don't do it at all.
To add insult to injury, when we swapped back, he looked at me kind of funny and said, "your engine feels kind of harsh, especially in the 2000 to 4000 range." ::010::
I still love my bike though...
To add insult to injury, when we swapped back, he looked at me kind of funny and said, "your engine feels kind of harsh, especially in the 2000 to 4000 range." ::010::
I still love my bike though...
roll_it_on
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John stills has my basket and he was wanting to get some longer term feedback from IANF who posted above. He wanted to perhaps make a few tweaks to the design before he sent mine back to me for testing if he thought they might be warranted. He did share some very interesting information with me what he found regarding the wear/witness marks inside the clutch basket I had sent him confirming the amount of movement of the internal basket parts which has been shown in other baskets to produce that vibration/knock at this rpm range. Perhaps John will chime in here to provide an update.