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avc8130

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copb8 said:
My post wasn't to any way cast a negative light on what you're doing or the results you're getting. Quite frankly, I don't use PM's that much so it didn't even cross my mind reach out that way. Also, I was curious whether anyone else had moved from the CJM to ECU flash as I've done. I saw "Results Only" in the title and not "Good Results Only" and figured my post was relevant.

Back to the issue at hand:

Since I did the CJM almost immediately after purchasing the bike I don't have a real recollection of how 'T' mode felt . Once the CJM was in I had full power in first 3 gears and I do remember I was happy about that.

So, with the coolant temperature test what temp does the stock fan kick in and what temp does the flashed fan kick in?
"Full power" of the CJM and "full power" of the maps you chose are still different. The maps you selected are more aggressive at lower throttle openings/rpms than the stock CJM map.

IF the ECU flash didn't "take" it would be very obvious if you pulled your CJM and put the bike in T mode. Since you have so much experience with the CJM, the bike would feel delayed and lethargic.

Shoot the video with your cell phone and upload it to Photobucket, Youtube or similar.

We are looking to see what temp the fan kicks on. Stock it kicks on around 219F. With my flash it kicks on at 215F. I make this change for exactly this reason. Very easy way to prove whether the flash "took" or not.

Is your bike "stock"? Any exhaust or intake mods? Have you sync'd your TB's recently?

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avc8130 said:
We are looking to see what temp the fan kicks on. Stock it kicks on around 219F. With my flash it kicks on at 215F. I make this change for exactly this reason. Very easy way to prove whether the flash "took" or not.

Is your bike "stock"? Any exhaust or intake mods? Have you sync'd your TB's recently?

ac
Will do on the temp thing.

Bike has a Leo Vance exhaust, otherwise it's stock. No sync on TB's yet.
 

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Have had a couple of days now to try out my bike with the avc8130 reflash. Very positive results. Went with the T light and the S enhanced, along with the SS mode with the clutch switch on. T feels much more connected and responsive but not so much to make it overly sensitive. S mode comes on stronger, and feels much better and SS is another step up and will certainly run up the cost on tires if used extensively. :-\
Fan comes on at 102C and off at 97C now, previously was on at 105C and off at 100C. Money well spent. ::008::
 

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Still not too many miles on mine yet but getting a bit more used to things, I also got the T light and the enhanced S mode engaged with CJM. (which I haven't done yet) Things I've noticed are that fine throttle control at very low rpm's is better than stock (which I have little experience with) and seems to be easier to control with TCS shut off - still wish it wasn't so touchy though. Also noticed that as suggested removed the slack from the throttle cable does help but the slack seems to return almost as soon as you twist the throttle the next time - not much but a little. Not sure what to make of that other than maybe old fashioned metal cable adjusters may work better.
 

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p51super10bombay said:
<snip> Also noticed that as suggested removed the slack from the throttle cable does help but the slack seems to return almost as soon as you twist the throttle the next time - not much but a little. Not sure what to make of that other than maybe old fashioned metal cable adjusters may work better.
Throttle is just about fine-tuned on my '12. Keep taking slack out via the adjuster and eventually you'll get there. Definitely makes for a less snatchy ride... ::008::

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escapefjrtist said:
Throttle is just about fine-tuned on my '12. Keep taking slack out via the adjuster and eventually you'll get there. Definitely makes for a less snatchy ride... ::008::

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hmm, I keep thinking that it can't be cable stretch can it? Used to be OEM cables were very good and worth the extra $$ over aftermarket.
 

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p51super10bombay said:
hmm, I keep thinking that it can't be cable stretch can it? Used to be OEM cables were very good and worth the extra $$ over aftermarket.
I definitely don't think it's stretch. As you're getting [more] used to the movement [or lack thereof] , your hand is becoming calibrated to the throttle.

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Well, I don't know - I adjust it and twist it right away and it seems to have gone right back where it was...........with just a small amount of slack.
 

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Be sure the cable is seated back into the silver end cap. As you pull the boot free the end cap pulls out a little and if you adjust the slack then push the boot back on it moves (the silver end) back into place.
 

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"Excess" throttle cable play is not good but, I don't think it contributes as much to jerky on off transitions as some have suggested. Simply twist the grip until you feel that all of the play is gone and "then" start opening the throttle. It no different then taking up the slack on a trigger prior to squeezing off a shot. Too little throttle cable play can cause the throttle to unintentionally jerk on while braking over a rough surface. as always YMMV
 

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Marty said:
"Excess" throttle cable play is not good but, I don't think it contributes as much to jerky on off transitions as some have suggested. Simply twist the grip until you feel that all of the play is gone and "then" start opening the throttle. It no different then taking up the slack on a trigger prior to squeezing off a shot. Too little throttle cable play can cause the throttle to unintentionally jerk on while braking over a rough surface. as always YMMV
Good analogy! I really need to do this reflash thing...

Just hate being without the Blue Beast.
 

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I'll be able to give a report after tomorrow. AC has flashed my ECU and it is on the way back ::012:: If anyone in the area wants to sample some of AC's handiwork, just let me know.
 

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Huge difference in smoothness and responce. The bike is so much sportier feeling now with no loss of tractibility. It really did transform the motorcycle. The engine no longer feels agriculturale and feels more like a motorcycle. No downside to the flash in my book. It just makes an already good motorcycle great.
 

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ec90t said:
Huge difference in smoothness and responce. The bike is so much sportier feeling now with no loss of tractibility. It really did transform the motorcycle. The engine no longer feels agriculturale and feels more like a motorcycle. No downside to the flash in my book. It just makes an already good motorcycle great.
I just recieved my flashed box back from AVC Saturday and have only ridden the bike 40 miles to work so far. I will say the same thing the bike is way smoother and has a crisp throttle response compared to before that pulls a whole lot smoother through the RPM range up to the limiter. I did notice a big drop in vibration through the handlebars as well. I recently changed the stock bars to Pro Taper Raptor Bend, great bend and increased hight without having to modify the stock cables. After changing to the Auminum bars I did notice a vibration(Buzz) at certain highway speeds however after the flash it has disappeared.

Anyone on the fence I would pull the trigger AVC is a stand up guy helping the Tenere Community and a pleasure to deal with. I shipped my ECU out on a Monday morning from Las Vegas. AVC recieved it, Flashed it, and I had it back to me and I had it on the bike by Saturday.Less than a week turnaround time from opposite ends of the US! The only negative so far is that I had to wait almost 20000 miles to flash it but at least its like having a new bike all over again! ::008::

I will be traveling around a 2000 mile road trip, into Southern California and up the coastline into Northern Cal to Montery, two weeks from now and I cant wait to put it through its test in the twisty mountain roads. ::015::
 

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I got my ECU back from AVC with the flash as follows:
T - Enhanced T - really nice,I could actually ride the bike in this mode. But I also for the Enhanced S mode.
S=Enhanced S Now that is really fun!! The bike finally rides they way it should from the factory.

While I only got to ride it about 15 miles, I knew in the first mile that it is the BEST thing I have done to the bike. Anthony is great to work with! He took time to talk me though the options and alternatives. I shipped on a Friday from Northern California and got it back the following Thursday.

If you are on the fence about doing a flash, I can only say DO IT. You'll find that you have a new bike and a huge smile on your face. With the TCS off I could lift the front wheel in the first three gears. Nothing scary, just great throttle control that responds when you twist it.

I had him reduce engine braking just a small amount and it's really nice as well.

I also had him put the "super sport" mode for the CJM. I really like the enhanced S mode better. More precise throttle control in the Enhanced S mode in my opinion.

Even with the price increase you should really do the flash, it will cause you to flash smiles like you never have done before!

Mark



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Add another happy customer to the list. I finally had a chance to get out for a few hours after the latest ice age ended. Prior to the flash I had resorted to running a CJM 100% of the time to solve that pronounced low-RPM dead spot. It helped, but as we now know may not be healthy for the bike because of what it does to the timing. I considered T mode totally useless.

Now as others have said the bike feels like it should have out of the box. S mode is snappy and great for normal road riding, and T mode for me perfectly softened the throttle pickup to keep me from chucking the big girl on some muddy trails. The only downside is that my Karoo's lifespan was definitely shortened.
 

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The flash is exactly what my S10 needed. Say goodbye to that stumble just off idle that many times felt like a stall about to happen. Nice smooth torque now in 1-3rd gears, very smooth in T mode pretty snappy in S. I've only got about 2000 miles under my belt on this bike so T is my friend for now....... I'm certain that S will reign more in the future!! Thanks, AVC. I did get in on the old price, but don't let the new $'s stop you!!
 

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At Long Last - my take on the AVC FLASH :

After marrying up to my local post office - back n forth - and forth again...I finally got my ECU back from AVC. Nothing Anthony did wrong, just had to get

in synch with the local USPS.

With the help of my new found friend JimL53 who lives a scant 25 minutes from my front door, the ECU was fitted and buttoned up and a test fire proved

a smooth and "healthy" exhaust note through my Staintune can.

Jim & I then went for a ride on little known highway 62 which is a very twisty part near the Ohio River and takes us right back to highway 421 - which

enabled us to get back to his house in time for his husband duties that same afternoon.

Thank you again Jim - you're a good wrench and a huge help to me.

We took the twisty way back to his place not only for the fun but also I wanted to feel the difference in the engine braking (*or lack thereof*) with the

new mod's to my ECU. (*BTW - I went with "T" enhanced & "S" super-sport SS....more about that in a sec*)

Once we got to Jim's house we let our iron cool a bit and talked about the new changes. Jim mentioned it sounded "mean" when I would get on the loud

grip exiting a corner. It DID sound different - maybe even raspy like a Duc or a heavy KTM on full howl. I like it very VERY much.

We chewed the fat for a bit and then I left him there to ponder his choices of when he'll jump and do the FLASH. He didn't want to ride my scoot that day

to feel the difference between his new 2013 Supa10 and my 18,500 miles 2012. That day will happen this week.

My Opinions / Results :

(*note : unless noted I run in TC-2 almost 100%*)

Engine braking in "T" enhanced is still noticeable - probably would be my choice if I was doing a long trip with miles of twisty hardtop.

The exit rush of power is still there but the engine braking is more noticeable in "T". Exhaust note is virtually the same. It spools up fast like my just sold

2006 Speed Triple or like my 2004 KTM Adventure. It's like there is no flywheel there. Hit the loud grip and BAMM it's on full boil RIGHT NOW.

*exactly what I was looking for.*

I didn't know it would pull my arms outta my sockets though. EGADS, romp through the first 4 gears up and near to red line and I begin to feel the

interesting sensation of 2 torn rotator cuffs (* http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rotator-cuff-injury/basics/definition/con-20031421 *)

You've heard it here before and I am telling you all yet again - DO THIS MOD.! It has absolutely transformed this SinisterBlack Beast into a stealth romper

stomper that can go like stink with the best of 'em, now. Bring on that new Adventure GS.!!

This is just "T" mode too.

"S" SS is the nuts...it is such a rush to have this mill FINALLY opened up to what it potentially can do. If you love your machine as much as I love my iron

you will be on a brand new love affair with this "S" SS mod. It is flat the best bang for your buck. I wouldn't even jack around with the CJM mod. Just have

Anthony whip his magic on your ECU with this SS mod and watch your eyes brighten with happiness. If sheer speed and machine sounds are what trigger

your senses - then this "SS" mod is for you. If you whack the throttle handle it is on full boil RIGHT NOW...no breath to catch up, no hesitation, no whiff,

no hint of waiting...just full friggin' full tilt boiling over RIGHT NOW.!

The drive-ability of my bike now is so much more enhanced with the FLASH. Passing a car is just a thought of twisting the grip and smiling. No urgency or

timing or "thinking" - just twist and go. Just such a pleasure to ride the thing now. I loved it before - I'm married now. I couldn't be happier.

Do the mod - do it..!!
 
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