Report about your Shorai Lithium Battery in your Tenere
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Its very small and the weight is unbelievable.. You have to build up some foam walls to take up extra space because its so much smaller... Its a nice fit...
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Anyone have any experience with Scorpion Stinger LiFePo4 Extreme High Output Batteries?
http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/lithium-iron-batteries/sstz14s-fp.html
http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/lithium-iron-batteries/sstz14s-fp.html
I have had experience with the regular Scorpion AGM (in my KTM).....not good overall. The first one arrived with a dead cell and the 2nd one lasted 2 months before it died (vs. around 6 months for other brands). YMMV.Kevhunts said:
BatteryStuff was easy to deal with however.
Sounds like that company put more work into coming up with a flashy name than they put into offering a good product.stevepsd said:
Well, the Scorpions are inexpensive, so sometimes you get what you pay for. But on my KTM even the expensive Yuasa YTX's only lasted 6 months before it was beat to death. The single-track out here can be brutal....even more so if you fall down as much as ITenerator12 said:
)BatteryStuff was easy to work with and gave me a good deal on the Shorai that has been on the bike for around 4years now. And it's still going strong.
Has anyone had any observations on whether or not the enclosures on the Shorai's are now waterproof? Nothing a little bit of silicon can't fix, and I'll make it a point to look at mine this spring.
I also think it's a good idea to use their battery management system. I was skeptical earlier last spring and told myself that my Tender Jr. was just fine since it doesn't desulfate, but from what I've been reading, the lifepo4 cells are pretty sensitive on wanting a consistent charge (despite being wired in series internally).
I also think it's a good idea to use their battery management system. I was skeptical earlier last spring and told myself that my Tender Jr. was just fine since it doesn't desulfate, but from what I've been reading, the lifepo4 cells are pretty sensitive on wanting a consistent charge (despite being wired in series internally).
According to their website they are not, and if I recall correctly it says if the battery is going to be submerged to use silicon for just that. They also say to pack that center connector with dielectric grease as well to prevent corrosion...Karson said:
Been reading the 67 page long thread over on advrider about lifepo4 batteries, and I could only take in about a 1/3 of it before it started giving me information overload. You certainly can use "dumb" chargers, but again, from my understanding the lifepo4 batteries are pretty picky on liking equalized cell voltages.
i'm paraphrasing because i haven't fully digested the technical lingo yet, but something about how the cells are designed prohibits them from balancing on dumb chargers like Tenders, and only chargers that utilize the battery's onboard battery management system can bring the lower voltage cells up, as well as prevent them from discharging too low in maintenance mode. although the discharge scenario is unlikely given that lifepo4 batteries self discharge at only 3% per month.
at any rate, i'm just trying to get myself up to speed. the lifepo4 scene is just finally becoming popular in the adv crowd, so lots of information is still being discussed.
grab a beer or six...most of this stuff is not common terminology for me.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=757934
i'm all in on my shorai i've been running since april 2013 - i'll be taking it through the ringer once the first amount of rain takes a bit of salt we have on the roads away. having the thermometer read above zero is a start, too
i'm paraphrasing because i haven't fully digested the technical lingo yet, but something about how the cells are designed prohibits them from balancing on dumb chargers like Tenders, and only chargers that utilize the battery's onboard battery management system can bring the lower voltage cells up, as well as prevent them from discharging too low in maintenance mode. although the discharge scenario is unlikely given that lifepo4 batteries self discharge at only 3% per month.
at any rate, i'm just trying to get myself up to speed. the lifepo4 scene is just finally becoming popular in the adv crowd, so lots of information is still being discussed.
grab a beer or six...most of this stuff is not common terminology for me.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=757934
i'm all in on my shorai i've been running since april 2013 - i'll be taking it through the ringer once the first amount of rain takes a bit of salt we have on the roads away. having the thermometer read above zero is a start, too
Just a thought for those on this.....did you change your on board charging system when you installed the Shorai or equivalent? Didn't think so. Don't over think it then.
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Never thought of that. Hmmmm
I have a friend who embraced this logic and always kept his Shorai plugged into his battery tender when he wasn't riding, despite Shorai's instructions not to continuously trickle-charge using non-Shorai chargers. He ended up killing two Shorai batteries and to this day still blames the batteries. Meanwhile I followed Shorai's instructions, ie, only charging my two batteries briefly when the voltage readout fell to 12.9. No problems at all over two years of use.Firefight911 said:
I think the thread started to get into that...if anyone else has read it, am I mistaken that occasionally lifepo4 cells need to be balanced after a period of time? Even if you've been riding the bike for several months.Firefight911 said:
Maybe that's why manufacturers are now saying dumb chargers are ok, but were hard selling bms style chargers early on. Like most things, the right answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
I get what you're saying though, Phil.
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I am still using the original OEM battery and no problems whatsoever.
Me too. But I'm sure the poor thing is in shock out on the porch freezing its hiney off tonight.
Got it plugged into a tender. Is that like a battery blanket?
Got it plugged into a tender. Is that like a battery blanket?
Got the Duration Recommendation with 285 CCA
http://shoraipower.com/products?action=vehicle&type=175&make=2036&model=8477&year=8477
http://shoraipower.com/products?action=vehicle&type=175&make=2036&model=8477&year=8477
Well, this will be the most boring, straightforward how-to in history, but here ya go:twinrider said:
Got the Shorai in after ordering last week as my factory battery was turning slower and slower each time I rode. I ordered direct from Shorai as I didn't know Jaxon was a vendor, nonetheless the online ordering was straightforward and the battery shipped the following day.
The battery comes in a colorful box adorned in Shorai logos:
What's in the box? Well, a battery (adorned with Shorai's logo) with a color-coded +and- symbol, some cool sticky-backed foam stuff, two instruction and warning sheets, a little baggy of screws and washers, and Shorai stickers:
After thoroughly digesting the instructions and warnings it was time to get to work. I gathered all of the appropriate tools (I thought) would be required for the install: Phillips screwdriver (I chose my fancy ratcheting one) to reduce the risk of carpel tunnel, and some hex-key thingies. I always enjoy a drink and a smoke when tinkering, and these are merely examples of what I have used in the past, since it was 8:04 in the morning, and I was planning on a ride, I just stuck with coffee.
Step one is to remove the plastic side cover on the right side (passenger side if it were a car) to gain access to the battery compartment using our hex key thingy:
After loosening the quarter turn fasteners you just jiggle the whole plastic cover thingy until it pops loose. Sometimes it falls right off, sometimes it seems like the whole side of the bike wants to come off with it - YMMV.
Once inside I used my cool ratcheting screwdriver (safety first!) to loosen the battery cables from the OEM battery:
Remember: "Lefty Loosey - Righty Tightey".
Next, per the Shorai instruction sheet, I compared the batteries side-by-side to ensure the positive and negative terminals lined up - Rockin' Good News - they did!
