OIL PUMP - HELP!!!

[msch]

Nice Bikes Snakebitten. ::012::

First oil wash.
After riding 30 miles, I removed both covers. There were almost no aluminium particles (that came out of a damaged clutch) in both bottom covers. Please see pictures. The oil protective mesh was clean.
I Took of the oil pum, turned the gear and was working smooth and fine. I washed the pump just in case.....
The drained oil that had much less aluminum particles of less than 0.5 mm (0.019 inches). The amount is much much less tan the previous disasemble.
Since there are still particles left, I'll do another oil wash.

 

[msch]

Second oil wash.

The aluminum particles have been reduced significantly, ... but they still appears a few in the drained oil. I will continue with the oil washing process until all residues disappear.
Today I woke up perseverant !!!

 

[WJBertrand]

Don't forget to fit a new oil filter after all is said and done. Good work!

 

[snakebitten]

That's all good news!

I'm betting the patient will enjoy a FULL recovery.
The miracle of modern medicine. ::013::

 

[msch]

After four oil washes no more particles in the drained oil and oil filter.
I changed the oil filter at every oil drain.
Now I will take both covers and replace all O rings and gaskets.
Job done. My gratitude to Snakebitten who yanked his bike and sent me his Oil Pump, to Tabasco (Jaxon) who helped me with technical advices from the very beginning in changing the clutch and others, to EricV in helping with the details in taking the Oil Pump out and others, and many other Forum members with his knowledge and suggestions.
Today I enjoyed a nice ride to the outskirts of Santiago (see pictures).

But... there is always a but ... a oil leak appeared in the rear wheel. The first time was much more oil than what spilled today. The first time I thought was oil spilled from the bottom cover and washed the bike. After the finish of todays trip I founded again the leak. Please see the pictures. I will search the forum, and if necessary I will open another topic.
The Service manual shows 3 oil seals. No idea which is the one that has failed. Any suggestion?

 

[snakebitten]

So, when does the ride with your BMW\KTM buddies start back up?

I'm not convinced that back wheel picture is a leak. Did you recently remove the wheel and grease up the splines?
I've had similar "splatter" after the freshly greased rear wheel got heated up and the excessive grease melted and was slung onto the rim and pumpkin case.

Caution though, I'm not an expert on these things.

 

[msch]

Hello Snakebitten,
I have two rides. The first that start on march 11 is a 3 days ride to Argentina that was postponed one week by my friends to give me time to repair my bike. I have one week to repair the rear wheel oil leak.
The second is a one week adventure to the "Carretera Austral" of Chile, a recently open road in our extreme south that star the 22nd of march.

I changed the rear tire 2000 miles ago. I did not lubricate nothing there. If it was execs of lubrication, the problem should have appeared long time ago. I will take out the wheel tomorrow. If it is the oil seal at the transmission, according to the Service Manual, looks very simple to change. Finger crossed.
This time the adventure seems to be the mechanical issues

I searched the forum and did not found a related article. Perhaps I used the wrong wording.

 

[worncog]

The seal cleaning method can work in most cases if the seal is not overly worn or damaged.

My C10 developed a leak far from home and a zip tie worked around the seal cleaned out some gunk and has been leak free for more than 12k miles. The low mileage S10 developed a leak after my Florida swamp foray and was cleaned out with the Seal Saver tool and has been leak free for at least 2k miles. Cleaning is always an option, and it's cheap. YMMV.

Safe travels and thanks for sharing the oil pump saga.

Cheers,
Randy

 

[EricV]

Glad the patient is doing well. Hopefully the rear oil leak will be solved shortly and you'll be problem free for many miles to come.

Kudos again to SB for being the generous soul he is. You've got some good Karma banked from this one. ::008::

 

[Checkswrecks]

I had two FJRs and one developed a similar rear wheel seal leak that looked similar. I change rear fluid with every oil change.


It's amazing how LITTLE oil was lost to look worse than yours. Kept cleaning it up, checking the level and finding no oil needed so left it. After a while the leak stopped.

 

[msch]

Thank you for replies and suggestions.

The oil leaked correspond to differential SAE 80-90 oil according to my smelling. The drained oil volume was correct, so the quantity was not significant, but enough to wet the tire the first time I saw the leak.... with a potential accident. I washed the whole rear wheel. The second 60 miles drive the leakage amount was minimum.

Today I took off the rear wheel to investigate the oil leak and to change the tires.
The leakage does not come from the axis side (see picture).

I talked to the Yamaha Service Manager and he told me to look carefully the drainage hole below the rear arm (see picture) . He was correct. Residues of 80-90 oil was there. Since it is 80-90 oil that came out from the drainage hole, the oil seal that failed is shown in a picture. A special tool is required to take it out. The spare will arrive to Chile within 3 weeks. Since the leak has diminished significantly, I covered the hole with a good adhesive tape that will avoid the leakage to fall over the wheel. Perhaps the gunk got out. It is not possible to clean it without taking the oil seal out

I believe is good to cover that hole permanently with a tape to avoid dust or water to came in and damage the internal parts and oil seal of the rear arm, and to take it out at every differential oil change.

I will change the oil seal anyway, since the Yamaha Shop cost for doing that job is only $100. The oil seal change will permit to investigate what happened there and to clean it.

So, everything has been fixed (clutch and oil pump and internal motor clean, or in the way to be fixed (rear arm oil seal).

The mechanical problems adventure permitted me to get in touch with generous Forum Members, specially Snakebitten, that helped sharing their bike parts, knowledge and advises.
I hope that future posts will be to share trips and to make real the "Ride more, worry less" .... and perhaps to meet some of you in the future if somebody wants to travel to Chile.

My apologies for my English.

Un gran abrazo a todos and y best salutes to all of you.

 

[bigbob]

Puedes montar bien en tus viajes.


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[snakebitten]

ahora ir a divertirse y hacernos de todo envidioso!

Asegúrese de que regresa el favor muy pronto. ::001::

 

[msch]

Gracias amigos!!! ::012::

I hope I will be able to return the favor in any way.

 

[msch]

Sad end of story.
At 600 miles from home, in Argentina, the engine suddenly began with a loud metallic sound like a concrete hammer.
The bike returned home on a van.

Tabasco was right ... I should have disarmed the cylinder head.
I will take it to a Yamaha Service to get a quotation for the repair.
When they disarm the engine I inform them what the damage was.
Once repaired, it will sell the bike.

My intention was to buy a new Supertenere, but there is no stock in Chile until early May.
I'll try an Africa Twin tomorrow.

Does anyone have information on an engine for an XT 1200 ES with low mileage and in good condition? It is an alternative to consider.

 

[snakebitten]

That absolutely sucks Martin!

Mostly because your adventure was stopped. Bummer.

However, if you get a brand new shiny ADV machine because of it........well, this whole bizarre story isn't over! Is it?
Sometimes sheer stubbornness is called for. I'll give you an example..........

A few years ago I headed to the mountains in Colorado for the soul purpose of actually meeting a bunch of guys who had waited FOREVER for their PDP Teneres to arrive at our shores. We all only knew each other from this forum, and we collaborated in angst like a bunch of men waiting on their next toy for MONTHS. That rally\event was more of a collective High-5 between 100 of us victors!

Anyways, the setting was majestic. It was right in the center of all the famous mountain passes that you are supposed to only ride "dirt bikes" on.
You've never seen so much pent up machismo!

I didn't have a clue which mountain pass was which, so I simply headed for the closest one.
I ATTACKED that dang mountain standing up and bashing rocks to the top.
I sat there for an hour or so and no other Teneres arrived. Out of 100?

I told myself that I must be the man!!!!

That evening I returned to camp and spun my story as I saw it to my brother, who had come with me to Colorado on his Vstrom. (He crashed about 300 feet up the first ascent and wisely spent the day enjoying the $million dollar highway)

Oh you should have heard how I told him. lol
He bit hook line and sinker and said Bro, you are the KING!

A few minutes later one of the other inmates came over to our camp and my brother bragged on me as he retold my story. (He did a very good job. And he truly believed his brother was The King!)

The gentleman let him finish and then said, "yea, there's a guy here from Illinois that did that same climb today with his wife on the back."

Huh?

That can NOT be true!

I'll try to shorten the story a bit.

They fetched that fella for me to meet him. And his amazing wife!
He is my friend to this day. And he has no idea how much impact on my life that he had because of his manner and humbleness. (And the fact he demoted me)

So what does this have to do with "Sometimes sheer stubbornness is called for"?

My adventure in Colorado could not be complete until I could regain my brothers admiration. I never heard him be so proud, even if it was but a fleeting moment. LOL

So, I called my wife. And I called my brothers wife. And I demanded that they both get permission for an immediate vacation. They asked "how long"?
I said get as much as you can and call me back.

We left our bikes in Albuquerque at a Yamaha dealership. (Good folks)
Flew home on an airplane and fetched the ladies.
Drove back up in a truck loaded with all the things the ladies would need for "camping out in the mountains"
My brother promised not to tell my precious wife what the REAL reason was for the sudden desire to have an awesome mountain vacation.
They were happy with "It's so wonderful here that we couldn't come home without sharing it with you."

We almost had the entire rally campground to ourselves. After all, the 100 Teneristas were all gone.

See where I'm going?
So she gets dressed in her pillion gear the first morning and mounts up for a nice little ride through the Rockies.

I climbed that dang hill again. This time with my wife on the back.

And as wonderful as that felt while I was sitting at 13,000 feet secretly enjoying overcoming the personal challenge, I had no idea that that moment would be dwarfed by the experiences of the next 2 weeks. Truly cherished memories.

So, I guess my point is you destroyed a perfectly fine Super Tenere and most folks would let that be a sad ending chapter to your Adventure.
I say hogwash! Go get that African Twin and head back to that spot (600 miles from home) and finish this dang ride!
I for one would be perfectly happy if you would give us the skinny on that Honda.

Cheers Martin!

Post pics
Bruce

 

[Checkswrecks]

I'm about to split a bunch of these posts off and start a thread titled simply:


"In the words of Snakebitten"
::008:: ::008::

 

[EricV]

. WWSBD. :What Would SnakeBitten Do!
::012::

 

[msch]

Wow !!! What a great Snakebitten story and what a good friend motivating me.

I fully agree with Checkwrecks and EricV

What happened is just a little slip.

I was very pleased with my wife's attitude when I called and told her what happened. He told me that mechanical problems and a damaged bike are simple problems in life. What mattered to her was that I was fine. I think the same and love her.

Do not worry friends. This stumbling block is part of a beautiful story that allowed me to meet and appreciate all of you, specially Snakebitten.
The same with my Chilean fellows who changed their route and accompanied me up to my home.

I turned the page and now I'm focused on:
- Concerned with my friend Snakebitten if he gets his oil pump and restart his bike on time for his adventure.
- The purchase of a new motorcycle.
- Repair my Supertenere and then sell it
- Back to the adventures..... and if God blesses us ... accompanied by my wife.

Thanks Snakebitten. I would really like to share a trip with you and the Forum friends.

But this saga continues .....
Today Il tested an Honda Africa Twin DCT (no Supertenere available for the next 3 month). I Like the bike. Very agile. Mixed feelings ... I feel like a traitor with my Supertenerte LOL.
During the test gets what.... a flat tire and the Africa Twin is not tubeless..... back to Honda in a truck.

Please find some pictures of my recent trip to Argentina crossing the Andes mountain and the last three picture of the Honda today's test in the next post.

 

[msch]

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