OIL PUMP - HELP!!!

[msch]

I need an Oil Pump for a Yamaha XT 1200 ES year 2015. If somebody knows where to get a second hand pump in good shape, please let me know.
I has a pump failure that I will report the details in a few weeks - Tabasco has helped me a lot.
There is no new spare available in Chile (where I live) and from the US. Yamaha Chile ordered it to Japan, but will take 4 weeks to get it. We are in the middle of the summer and I will loose a 2 weeks drive withe friends I I do not get a pump.
Any suggestion is welcomed.
Best regards to all from Chile.
Martin Schneuer

 

[Checkswrecks]

A lot of parts are used on multiple models. Unfortunately, running a cross check indicates this one is unique to the Tenere (all years).

 

[snakebitten]

How easy is it to get too?

If it doesn't require mechanical prowess I'll yank mine and ship it to ya.

I don't have the service manual, but I can follow directions ok.

 

[EricV]

How easy is it to get too?

If it doesn't require mechanical prowess I'll yank mine and ship it to ya.

I don't have the service manual, but I can follow directions ok.

Pull the oil sump cover, remove the 'pipe' (oil pick up tube), then it's three bolts to remove the oil pump. It appears to be gear driven. Mind you, that's just from a quick glance at the exploded parts diagram, I haven't looked it up in the FSM, (which I do have).

One of the bike breakers on ebay likely has an engine with damage and will sell and oil pump. They take everything apart, down to individual pistons sometimes. Look for a ebay seller that has other Super Ten parts and contact them thru the ebay message system, or their web site, if they have one. If not in the US, certainly in the UK where bike breakers are much more available and the bikes have been out for a couple more years.

No time now or I'd start looking, I've got an early get up and long, wet day ahead tomorrow. Luck!

 

[snakebitten]

Msch

If Eric's description is accurate, I can yank mine out and ship it to Chile.

PM me with any\all info I need. Don't know how much time you have or what the shipping options are, but it's a modern world and stuff like this makes great ADV stories all the time. Right?

 

[EricV]

http://www.partshark.com/oemparts/a/yam/53306f3ef870024560f03e18/oil-pump

I contacted Mikes Motorcycle parts on ebay and Sun Coast Cycle Parts is breaking a Super Ten also. Sun Coast is decent to work with, I bought a tank from them recently. Their email is parts.sccs@gmail.com I also pinged them about an oil pump. I'll post in the thread or PM if they have one. I warned them they may receive other inquiries for the same person's needs in Chile.

 

[msch]

EricV,
Thank you for offering me the Oil Pump of the bike you are Yanking.
I am interested and I sent you a PM.
You prefer to send me yours Oil Pump or the once that might have Sun Coast Cycle Parts.
I have the service manual and I can provide you detailed instructions to take it out. It is simple. Just taking bolts out.
My personal mail is schneuer@gmail.com
Looking forward for your reply.

 

[EricV]

Msch - Snakebitten is the member offering to remove the oil pump and ship it to you.

I made some enquiries on your behalf to try and find an,oil pump. Mike's Motorcycle parts responded that they do not have a pump. I have not heard from Sun Coast yet.

If I get off works early today I will look up the removal procedure in the FSM and share that.

 

[msch]

Sorry for the confusion.
I realize now that Snakebitten is the kind person who is offering the Oil Pump. I sent him also a PM.

Thank you ErikV for providing the instructions on how to take out the Oil Pump and contacting Sun Coast Cycle Parts and let me know if they have one.

On top of what ErikV sail, you need to take out the oil level meter (just 2 bolts). You need to trow the cable from the side to take it out. No unplugging is necessary. Taking the Oil Pump out is jus taking bolts out.

F. Martin Schneuer
schneuer@gmail.com

 

[snakebitten]

PM'ed you back brother!

I'll yank & ship on your green light.

 

[snakebitten]

Eric, if he wants mine, I would be very grateful for any details of what to do after dropping the sump.
It doesn't sound very difficult at all.

You're a gent for helping me out.

 

[EricV]

I'll PM you a step by step later today. Stuck working in the rain right now, hoping to go home early.

 

[WJBertrand]

Wondering how an oil pump fails? Did something get sucked into the gears?


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[Dogdaze]

I've kept up with this thread and have an observation. People (not all) when in a herd can get caught up in the heat and become real obnoxious aceholes, racist, xenophobic, etc. But when dealing with one on one, even with other cultures and races, we can be human! Bravo! Well done Snake and EricV, this is what the forum is about ::008::

 

[snakebitten]

Thanks Eric! It's a go, so your efforts aren't wasted.

Dogdaze, it only takes one Tenere rally to discover a lot about the fellas I've met that ride these amazing pack mules. I've been humbled a few times.

 

[scott123007]

Bruce, there is no limit to your generosity! Bravo!

On a more serious note though, more information would be helpful to make sure this is not all for nothing. What seems to be wrong with the oil pump and how was it diagnosed? If it was damaged from a blow to the sump aren't other parts needed? If it just failed, wouldn't there be engine damage too? Just trying to help...

 

[snakebitten]

Just sitting at my granddaughters softball game on a gorgeous day. I mean perfect. So honestly I haven't a clue what is wrong with the bike, or what caused it. Heck, I don't even know what the part(s) looks like. Don't recall ever seeing a single post about one in all these years. I'll take a picture of the thing when I get my hands on it. I suspect we'll all know more a few days from now.

 

[scott123007]

I'm just hoping it's not a case of seeing the oil light staying on and thinking it's a bad oil pump. Usually, if an oil pump fails, replacing just the oil pump is the least of your concerns. I just re-read the first post, and I guess if he has been dealing with Jaxon on this, they must have it figured out, and the pump is the only part he can't locate.

 

[EricV]

I was at a baseball game too... I work sports fields for the local parks dept. Rained all day, no games played at the four field complex today. Fields are a swamp of mud. Sucked for the players that came from as far as Canada, Minnesota, Montana, Idaho and Colorado. Two more days, but it doesn't look good.

I PM'd SB too, but for prosperity, here are the steps to remove the oil pump:
10 steps before removal of the oil pump.

Remove in the following sequence:

1 - Any skid plate/engine guard that will be in the way of removing the sump.

2 - Oil Strainer Cover & Gasket (9 bolts, keep track of where short and long bolts go.
6 short, 3 long. Long ones will have loctite. FSM says new gasket each time. Judgement call, if it doesn't tear, probably can re-use)

3 - Oil strainer (small mesh rectangular piece, should just drop/pull out easily)

4 - Unplug oil level switch coupler wire, (might be able to leave this connected)

5 - Unbolt oil level switch lead holder, (one bolt, small bracket that captures the wire)

6 - Oil level switch, (two bolts, has an o-ring around the switch, so may take some gentle effort to pull out after un-bolting)

7 - Water pump breather hose holder, a small, probably metal clip, (one bolt)

8 - Oil Pan & gasket, (17 bolts Watch for the 2 dowel pins and make sure to keep track of those, 2 o-rings that may stay with the pan. FSM shows replace each time.)

9 - Oil Pipe. )3 bolts, 2 o-rings to watch for. Manual says replace the o-rings every time.

10 - Oil Pump, (3 bolts, 2 dowel pins, 1 sleeve with o-ring. FSM says new o-ring every time.

Page 5-75 & 5-76 of the FSM. Install in reverse order.

 

[msch]

First of all, many thanks for Snakebitten generosity that will take off his Oil Pump to help a Chilean person he just met over the forum because he is a Tenere brother. Yes, still exist such marvelous persons that is more common to find among bikers.
Thanks a lot also to Tabasco, who has being guiding me since I started wit the mechanical problems. He sent me for free a clutch disc plate, a bearing and other parts.
Thanks a lot also to EricV who has done his best in helping me to find an oil pump.

A summary is that I damaged the clutch and as a consequence the oil pump was damaged.

The complete story is that I got stuck in a extremely sticky clay crossing the Andes Mountain at 10.000 feet and 26 Fahrenheit degrees in the middle of the night. The Supertenere front fender trapped mud and the wheel was was immobilized. It is Supertenere design problem, since that did not happen to a BMW 1200 GS and a KTM 1190. Instead of taking the front fender out, i forced a lot the clutch. When I realized that the clutch started to fail, I took the fender out and managed with my friends to reach to a housing area.
I left the bike there and flew to Santiago. With the advice of Tabasco I bought al clutch elements and changed the clutch plates. Tabasco alerted me that I needed to take out the bottom cover and to see if there were residues of the clutch. I returned to the place with tools, but where the bike was left I did not have the adequate elements for a good repair. I took out the curved bottom cover and a lot of stuff composed by aluminum was accumulated in a screen that protects the entrance to the Oil Pump. I changed the also the oil and oil filter an travelled 500 miles back in the bike to my home at Santiago. At Santiago I changed again the oil and oil filter. After riding 200 miles, in the last ride I checked the oil level an went to a short ride. The red oil level light turned on. I drove with the red light only 3 miles back to my home. Checked the level and the windows showed no oil. That was my second mistake. I should have disassembled everything and should have taken out both bottom cover, oil pump and the whole clutch.
I decided by then to disassemble everything and founded a lot of aluminum stuff in the curved and big bottom cover. Disassembled the oil pump and founded that was broken internally. Pictures attached.
The Chile Yamaha Technical Manager says that the the oil is pumped to the oil filter and from there to the rest of the motor. Consequently there should not be more damage to others elements.

Now I will spay from the bottom the open motor with gasoline, install the oil pump once I get it, drive the bike 20 or 30 miles and take both bottom plates out and see if there is remaining aluminium or other res¡dues. If everything is clean, reassemble, new oil and oil filter and en of the story.
If somebody knows a better procedure to clean residues, please let me know.
I attach pictures with the accumulated stuff at both bottom plates and from the damaged pump, a schematic of the pump and the last two are from the Andes crossing and taking fender out at the clay area (was only 2 miles).