Joega
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Welcome to the world of BMW recalls.
I may be crazy but I traded my Tenere for a new BMW R1200RT
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No spin here, just utter disgust at the childish behavior of some. So much effort to diminish joy of the op.Dallara said:
This is 3rd grader shit, as is picking a "winner" in a motorcycle accident or any accident for that matter.
I see very little here that would make mothers of S10 owners proud of there offspring.
Why is it so important to you to diminish the BMW brand? NPD perhaps?
The only "slam" I recall making against the S10 is the shitty fuelling/engine management. You do agree with this don't you? You did get a reflash didn't you? And NO the S10 ain't perfect, none of them are.
Paul
My last two BMWs were BOTH bought back under the lemon law (K1300GT and F800GS). This occurred to both within a one year period. Why does this lasted debacle just not surprise in the least? 8 BMWs under my belt. Never another one! Ever!!!
2000 K1200RS - three rear transmission output seals and other niggly stuff
2007 R1200GS Adventure - An ENTIRE rear end at 800 miles from new. A new front wheel assembly, two rear rotors and one caliper assembly
2009 F800GS - Dude!! I don't have the time to rehash this! Every single possible problem you might have EVER heard of!!
F800GT - Entire rear wheel assembly
F700GS - About half of what the F800GS had. Totally unacceptable
K1300GT - Three entire clutch assemblies, 2 sets of handlebar switch assmeblies (right), 3 of them (left), multiple other stuff
G650 X Challenge - rear shock assembly
And this is just the very tip of the iceberg!!!!
I am having a blast watching them stir the kool aid with the spin doctoring for those under the trance though. I understand, I was there once. And then I woke the F up!
2000 K1200RS - three rear transmission output seals and other niggly stuff
2007 R1200GS Adventure - An ENTIRE rear end at 800 miles from new. A new front wheel assembly, two rear rotors and one caliper assembly
2009 F800GS - Dude!! I don't have the time to rehash this! Every single possible problem you might have EVER heard of!!
F800GT - Entire rear wheel assembly
F700GS - About half of what the F800GS had. Totally unacceptable
K1300GT - Three entire clutch assemblies, 2 sets of handlebar switch assmeblies (right), 3 of them (left), multiple other stuff
G650 X Challenge - rear shock assembly
And this is just the very tip of the iceberg!!!!
I am having a blast watching them stir the kool aid with the spin doctoring for those under the trance though. I understand, I was there once. And then I woke the F up!
The strangest and scariest BMW story that I know of is the "mysterious" death of journalist Kevin Ash during a ride at the press launch of the GSW. As far as I know BMW never fessed up to a problem that may have contributed to that incident, but then added a steering damper to the 2014 models. For them to publicly broadcast this emergency halt to riding the new ES RTs the problem must truly be dangerous.
No spin here, just utter disgust at the childish behavior of some. So much effort to diminish joy of the op.
This is 3rd grader shit, as is picking a "winner" in a motorcycle accident or any accident for that matter.
I see very little here that would make mothers of S10 owners proud of there offspring.
Nope I'm not an "apologist" for BMW, but I do like the boxer motor a lot!!! I like it much more then the lump on the S10 but you can like what ever you want.
I don't understand why you work so had to piss on the BMW or any marque , or others choices of bike?
NPD perhaps?
The only "slam" I recall making at the S10 is the shitty fuelling/engine management. ::007:: You would agree wouldn't you? You did get a reflash didn't you?
Oh, and a 1 year warranty is pretty weak in this day and age, especially from a company that is noted for building reliable motorcycles.
It's a given they are not leading edge with their technology, but that's not a slam, just an observation.
Paul
This is 3rd grader shit, as is picking a "winner" in a motorcycle accident or any accident for that matter.
I see very little here that would make mothers of S10 owners proud of there offspring.
Nope I'm not an "apologist" for BMW, but I do like the boxer motor a lot!!! I like it much more then the lump on the S10 but you can like what ever you want.
I don't understand why you work so had to piss on the BMW or any marque , or others choices of bike?
NPD perhaps?
The only "slam" I recall making at the S10 is the shitty fuelling/engine management. ::007:: You would agree wouldn't you? You did get a reflash didn't you?
Oh, and a 1 year warranty is pretty weak in this day and age, especially from a company that is noted for building reliable motorcycles.
It's a given they are not leading edge with their technology, but that's not a slam, just an observation.
Paul
Donk
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Kenbike, Congrats and enjoy the new ride. I hope you love it. There are no bad motorcycles these days so if its the one you want go for it. Don't get caught up in the bs either, as long as it suits you and you enjoy the ride is all that counts. My "other" bike is an '11Triumph Sprint GT. It has never won a popularity contest but I love riding it. Ride safe
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I can't help it...... just ask anyone.
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Big Blu don't loose your sleep. It is just a conversation we are having. If we all simply agreed with everything said and done, this forum would be most boring place to be. But we must stretch our imaginations, don't you agree. ::025::. If I used the language of rights, to change the tone, any one has as much right to find pleasure in where they spend their money. And if is a BMW, why not? You see what I mean. ::015::Big Blu said:
+ 1 no doubt.Mzee said:
Debate is a good thing but what I see here is not good honest debate.
Why not discuss the merits of the Tenere, me thinks that's a better approach and more in line with the intent of this place.
Paul
Paul
Big Blu said:
First, let's clarify one thing...
I didn't get the ECUnleashed re-flash to correct any of the fueling issues you claim you have. I didn't have any "stumble" or "surge" that you have complained of so often, or at least I never noticed any. No, I got my initial Gen 1 ECUnleashed re-flash to eliminate the 1-3 gear throttle butterfly restrictions. I wasn't looking for more power, or to correct any surging or stumbles, but I simply wanted full control of the throttle instead of having some programmer nanny at Yamaha deciding how much to open the throttle butterflies in the lower gears. That's why I was never disappointed with the Gen 1 re-flash as some were. They were looking for big power gains and didn't get 'em, but they were also the ones who didn't pay attention to what the Gen 1 re-flash was designed to do. With the Gen 2 re-flash folks finally got the *perception* of big power increases, but as ECU-savvy folks like AVC will tell you, that's only because ECUnleashed made the throttle butterfly *ramping* more aggressive.
But enough about that... Don't go painting me with your own brush. I didn't have any problem with the "fueling" of my Super Ten - just didn't like the idea of the throttle restrictions, and that's why I got a re-flash.
Now, if you will ever read carefully - which you seriously seem to be unable to do - I have never been one to "piss on" *ANY* other marque. I've only called them as I've seen 'em. I was a KTM dealer, and their parts supply issues, unwillingness to take care of the warranty needs of my customers, their slowness to pay me for warranty work, and their product breaking down on literally every customer I sold one to finally caused me to terminate my sales agreement with them. They were the most arrogant, unfair, and obnoxious vehicle company I ever dealt with in all my years as a dealer. They made American and Japanese companies look like charities that showered dealers and customers with money. Hence, I don't care for them.
As for BMW, the ones I've owned have been pure nightmares, just like others have reported here as to their own experience with them. They break more than they should, and when they do you're in for a fight with them over it if it's under warranty - and even if it's a known and acknowledged problem, even by them. It also seems that lately BMW's are the only bikes I ever seem to work on by the side of the road, helping folks who are broke down. Decades ago it was Harley's, but now your rarely see a broke down H-D, but broke down Beemers are so common they have become a cliche.
As for posting the info about the current rear shock recall, etc... Two things.
One, it should be posted, particularly when the OP is considering getting one. Don't you think he deserves to know about that? Look back in the thread. I first congratulated him on his new bike, and mentioned I thought it was the best bike BMW builds. It was only later, when the news of this latest disastrous recall came out, that I posted anything else. And isn't it funny how the OP, after learning about that recall, has now decided to perhaps re-think his purchase...
Second, please note that I was one of the very first ones, if not the first, to post here about Yamaha's recalls on the Super Tenere. I'm an equal opportunity reporter when it comes that sort of thing. I got all the recall documents, NHTSA documents, etc. on the headlamp recall and posted them here on this board for all to see. So it's not just BMW recalls I mention on this board.
Last, but not least... You have "slammed" a lot more about the Super Tenere than just the "fueling/engine management". Just recently you were reveling in your rants about how you think Yamaha doesn't know how to design or implement a gear indicator, and how BMW did such a better job. Likewise your mention of the Super Tenere being deficient because it didn't have self-canceling turn signals, that it's switch gear was not as wonderful as BMW's, etc., etc. For the most part I only see you speak poorly of the Super Tenere, and yet wildly praise BMW. And you are certainly the first to fly to BMW's defense any time anyone so much as whispers a discouraging word about a BMW. Honestly, you seem to have so much disdain for Yamaha and the Super Tenere I have sometimes pondered why you even own one. OTOH, you seem to dearly love your BMW's, and for that I'm glad you own them. If they make you happy, great! But that doesn't mean the rest of us have to love them, too.
As for your last post above... Hell, just once I'd like to see you "discuss the merits of the Tenere"! ::025::
Dallara
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This thread was started by a guy wanting to celebrate a new bike and it has turned into a shit fest, 1st you take a shit on all thing BMW, then you accuse me of being an "apologist for BMW" and now I'm unworthy because you haven't heard me sing S10 praises. OK, this is just for you Dallara.
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.... the S10 is the perfect transportation vehicle and fun machine, it has been kissed by the gods and placed at our feet soley for our devine pleasure., oh my, I'm Sooooo lucky. I'll not covet or own any other motorcycle because they will pale in the shadow of perfection that is the S10. I shall become celibate so as not to be distracted from the beauty and the joy of S10 ownership.
Hope this makes ya happy Dallara.
Yea, it's all a lie..... especially the celibate part!!
Paul
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.... the S10 is the perfect transportation vehicle and fun machine, it has been kissed by the gods and placed at our feet soley for our devine pleasure., oh my, I'm Sooooo lucky. I'll not covet or own any other motorcycle because they will pale in the shadow of perfection that is the S10. I shall become celibate so as not to be distracted from the beauty and the joy of S10 ownership.
Hope this makes ya happy Dallara.
Yea, it's all a lie..... especially the celibate part!!
Paul
Big Blu said:
Thank goodness!
Music to my ears and best news I've heard all day! ::012::
Dallara
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Man all of you guys sure do feel very strong about your brand and choice of bike. I like my Tenere and it has been a good bike and a lot of fun!
I walked into the BMW experience with my eyes open and was expecting issue. I am in a position in life to own just about any bike with in reason except the crazy stuff. I do have a 300 Vespa as a errand bike so if my RT or Tenere is down it is a back up. Most bikes are fun and some are great. I ready for a touring bike for visiting kids out of state so the RT works for me. If it really goes to he'll my fall back will be an BMW Adventure.
In 3 years I will sell and try something else!
I walked into the BMW experience with my eyes open and was expecting issue. I am in a position in life to own just about any bike with in reason except the crazy stuff. I do have a 300 Vespa as a errand bike so if my RT or Tenere is down it is a back up. Most bikes are fun and some are great. I ready for a touring bike for visiting kids out of state so the RT works for me. If it really goes to he'll my fall back will be an BMW Adventure.
In 3 years I will sell and try something else!
So many bikes, so little time ... ::018::kenbike said:
frez
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The 2014 RT has just been subject to an emergency recall where you should not ride it unless it is fixed, check your bike is not effected by this http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2014/June/jun0514-BMWrecall/
Oops, ignore this I see it has already been mentioned in the thread.
Oops, ignore this I see it has already been mentioned in the thread.
Donk
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Kenbike you go for it! I'm like you, try it, buy it, ride it, and if I don't love it after a while I don't need a lawyer to get rid of it! Not a big deal. Lots of good bikes out there.
Have a friend that bought the first S10 I saw. Traded it for a GS recently. I asked him why he traded and his answer was, " no reason Super Tenere was a great bike. I waned to try a GS so I bought one." Honest answer that made perfect sense to me!
Are you guys telling me the"14 Super Tenere I have on order doesn't have a gear indicator? Oops! I know it doesn't have self cancelling turn signals but no gear indicator? Must have missed that in the test ride.
Have a friend that bought the first S10 I saw. Traded it for a GS recently. I asked him why he traded and his answer was, " no reason Super Tenere was a great bike. I waned to try a GS so I bought one." Honest answer that made perfect sense to me!
Are you guys telling me the"14 Super Tenere I have on order doesn't have a gear indicator? Oops! I know it doesn't have self cancelling turn signals but no gear indicator? Must have missed that in the test ride.
Hey Dane, you say it has a chain like that is a good thing. Chain final drive on a motorcycle would be a deal killer for me. I don't mind having a chain on my Schwinn, but that is as far as it goes for me!Gee-Tee said:
Bruce
Bruce I would rather have a BMW with a chain rather than a BMW shaft is all I was saying. BMW has had lots of problems with its shaft driven products of late.
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Donk
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Bravo Bravo there is nothing wrong with chain drive on motorcycles. Its another personal choice thing. I own motorcycles with both shaft and chain drive and to be honest, there isn't much difference. Modern chains and lubes are so good that there is very little maintenance required. Actually there are many overlooked advantages to chain drive such as ability to change gearing, weight, and cost of ownership. All that being said shaft was one(only one of many) reason I chose the Super Tenere over the KTM 1190 Adventure.
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