I may be crazy but I traded my Tenere for a new BMW R1200RT

[Big Blu]

If your going to quote facts please quote what they actually sell for.

The Super Tenere ES has no options and the list price is the top end of the scale. Current pricing is around $13,000 with some as low as $12,500.
A similar equipped BMW is closer to $20,000 (actual is $310 less). Are you finding fully equipped BMW's for less than $14,000?? The BMW dealer's I spoke with are not discounting.

From BMW's website with premium package so we can compare apples to apples.
Subtotal $19,195
Destination and Handling fee $495
Total MSRP $19,690

So yes, it has 10% more power for 50% more money.

I paid $12,800 for my 2014 Super Tenere ES. How much did you pay for your BMW?

I checked BMW website to add some options. Here is the pricing for a fully equipped BMW with every option:
Subtotal $32,393
Destination and Handling fee $495
Total MSRP $32,888

So, if you want to compare a fully loaded version from each manufacturer the BMW has 10% more power for 100% more money! How is that for a Fact Check??

I was comparing MSRP of the basic models offered by the manufacturers, just trying to keep it simple and close to apples 2 apples.
Sure the BMW can be tarted up an so can the S10, but many of the features for the GS are not even offered by Yamaha, LED headlight, Enduro Pro, GPS Prep, integrated Gapmin GPS, shift assist, etc..

Certaintly OTD pricing will vary, depending upon the negotiating skills of the buyer and the desire of the dealer to move stock. In my part of the country dealers don't stock S10's because the do not sell. On the other hand, both of my local BMW dealers are already deep into their allotment of 2015 GS/GSA's.

BMW dealers will allow you to configure a GS or GSA anyway you want it and order it for you. I'm told time from order submission to delivery is generally in the 6-8 week range.
For what it's worth.... I'm awaiting a special order GSA with low suspension(ETA before the end of October), discounted MSRP, no shipping or set-up fees, fully featured except for shift assist, OTD pricing is in the very low $20's.


Paul

 

[bmac]

My GSA was $22,000 plus tax so it was an easy $9,000 over the 2014 ES. They gave me 48 months at a very low interest rate so ny payment for the new Yamaha with the 2012 S10 trade was $185 per moth, the BMW is $387. Hate to say it but it but GSA is worth the difference for me. A lot of you have had bad BMW history but not I. My last 3 jap bikes KLR, ZX-14( cracked frame, warped brake rotors) Tenere blown fork seal, lots of corrosion on fasteners have had problems. It is a machine and they will brake down.
Just amazing how much guys bash other brands, maybe it just makes them feel better when they just can't spend the money.
I would love a 911 turbo but it will not happen. But I sure don't slam guys who purchase one telling them how much better my Foed Escape is better because it is cheaper, more reliable.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. As long as your happy with what you have and what you paid for it that is all that matters. I am happy with no payments on my Super Tenere while I save up for the 911 turbo. ;D

 

[bmac]

I was comparing MSRP of the basic models offered by the manufacturers, just trying to keep it simple and close to apples 2 apples.

Disingenuous at best. I would be surprised if you could even find a base BMW GS with NO options.

What really matters is what happens in the real world. BMW like many German manufacturers like to start with a lower base price but by the time the bike hits the showroom it has seen an increase in price by 25% or more due to options.

Your example of a BMW set up the way you want in the low 20's is fairly typical. Ken's bike was priced about the same as are many examples I have read about. Actual experience has shown that a BMW GS is typically going to cost 50% more than a 2014 Super Tenere ES.


I don't quite understand why you insist on jumping back on this forum and telling folks how their choice of a Super Tenere was an inferior one. If power is what you are after you could have bought a Multistrada. If you did than you would be able to stop by the BMW forums and tell them how much stronger your Multi is and how foolish they were to buy the BMW.

Have you even ridden a 2014 ES???

 

[Pilgrim]

Motorcycle magasine Motorrad tried to do their longtest on BMW 1200gs this summer. The testperiod is normaly 50000 km, but the 1200gs only managed about 30000 km. They had to abort the test due to major gearbox failure... ::025::

Easy choise, so far 3000 km with my S10 2014 ES and smiling each and everyone. ::015::

 

[longride]

"I don't quite understand why you insist on jumping back on this forum and telling folks how their choice of a Super Tenere was an inferior one. "

I do. Every board has an asshat. He happens to be ours. Hopefully he will be happy with his overpriced wonder and go back to the BMW boards where there is 3 levels of denial:

1. It really isn't breaking.
2. It isn't breaking all that often.
3. It isn't a BMW designed part causing the problem.

This dope never owned a Tenere to begin with. I'm sure of it. BMW. Did that, it sucked, won't be doing it again. Leave that to the real suckers.

 

[longride]

"Hate to say it but it but GSA is worth the difference for me. A lot of you have had bad BMW history but not I. My last 3 jap bikes KLR, ZX-14( cracked frame, warped brake rotors) Tenere blown fork seal, lots of corrosion on fasteners have had problems. It is a machine and they will brake down."

Goody for you. Time to go back to your BMW board and pat each other on the ass to congratulate yourself for overpaying for a crappy bike. If 'corrosion on the fasteners' was your worst issue with the Tenere, wait until the bill comes for the BMW failures. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Thanks for playing.

 

[chwhnd]

I hate to say this but every bmw owner I have met save one has had a mine is better then yours attitude, I ride what I ride for me, not anyone else, they on the other hand spend alot of time talking about how superior their bikes are, not convinced and not impressed with them or the pos bikes they ride.

 

[Big Blu]

Disingenuous at best. I would be surprised if you could even find a base BMW GS with NO options.

What really matters is what happens in the real world. BMW like many German manufacturers like to start with a lower base price but by the time the bike hits the showroom it has seen an increase in price by 25% or more due to options.

Your example of a BMW set up the way you want in the low 20's is fairly typical. Ken's bike was priced about the same as are many examples I have read about. Actual experience has shown that a BMW GS is typically going to cost 50% more than a 2014 Super Tenere ES.


I don't quite understand why you insist on jumping back on this forum and telling folks how their choice of a Super Tenere was an inferior one. If power is what you are after you could have bought a Multistrada. If you did than you would be able to stop by the BMW forums and tell them how much stronger your Multi is and how foolish they were to buy the BMW.

Have you even ridden a 2014 ES???choosen a an

Did you miss my remarks about ordering the configuration of your choice?

A well equipped GS is priced well below $20k, and a very well equipped GSA, with features not a available from Yamaha, will price in the low $20's, as Kens bike did.


I have not told folks that they have chosen an inferior product, or that the Super Tenere is an inferior product. I've simple stated what I know of the capabilities of the GS/GSA. We all make decision based on our needs, our wants, and our abilities and their are many great choices in the market space.

As for being disingenuous, I suggest your representation of BMW pricing is just that.

Let me ask you a question...... Why do S10 owners expend so much effort bashing BMW? There is more brand bashing here then on any other forum I participate on.

Paul

 

[TimLaw]

If wealthy soccer moms had a motorcycle, it would be a BMW R1200GS. Just like the overpriced SUV's they drive that has never seen dirt.

I'm not going to slam the BMW owners in general. The arrogant shit stains on the other hand I can't stand. They don't ride much to begin with and when the service comes around....and it will, regardless if under warranty or not, there is a waiting list at the BMW dealer (average about 6 weeks) to service your bike. And to the 2007-2010 R1200gs owners.....how do you like those $400 fuel strips that keep going out?...some right after it was repaired at the dealer.

No bike is perfect, but I'd rather have mine on the road than in the shop and when it must go to the shop, I don't want to get ass raped just because of the name brand.

OK, I'm done.

 

[Big Blu]

If wealthy soccer moms had a motorcycle, it would be a BMW R1200GS. Just like the overpriced SUV's they drive that has never seen dirt.

I'm not going to slam the BMW owners in general. The arrogant shit stains on the other hand I can't stand. They don't ride much to begin with and when the service comes around....and it will, regardless if under warranty or not, there is a waiting list at the BMW dealer (average about 6 weeks) to service your bike. And to the 2007-2010 R1200gs owners.....how do you like those $400 fuel strips that keep going out?...some right after it was repaired at the dealer.

No bike is perfect, but I'd rather have mine on the road than in the shop and when it must go to the shop, I don't want to get ass raped just because of the name brand.

OK, I'm done.

My 2011 R1200R suffers from the dreaded fuel strip failure. BMW has announced an extended warranty period of 12 years to cover parts and labor for strips.

Arrogant shit stains can be found riding all brands....... even Yamaha.

Paul

 

[TimLaw]

Good news Paul. I'm glad they are taking care of it. You are correct on the shit stains. By far for me are weekend warrior Harley riders.

 

[bmac]

Did you miss my remarks about ordering the configuration of your choice?

A well equipped GS is priced well below $20k, and a very well equipped GSA, with features not a available from Yamaha, will price in the low $20's, as Kens bike did.


I have not told folks that they have chosen an inferior product, or that the Super Tenere is an inferior product. I've simple stated what I know of the capabilities of the GS/GSA. We all make decision based on our needs, our wants, and our abilities and their are many great choices in the market space.

As for being disingenuous, I suggest your representation of BMW pricing is just that.

Let me ask you a question...... Why do S10 owners expend so much effort bashing BMW? There is more brand bashing here then on any other forum I participate on.

Paul

It looks like you may have some trouble with comprehension so I will try again. Pricing on the BMW GS1200 with 1 Option (premium package) comes in at almost $20,000. You can choose to load it up if you want but that level of equipment allows for a reasonable comparison with the Yamaha Super Tenere ES. So back to my original point, for the third time, the BMW is 50% more than the Yamaha.

I don't have any problems with BMW's. but some previous owners do. I can't blame them for bad mouthing BMW when they had several bad experiences with them. Keep in mind, they are not going over to the BMW forum to do it.

I suspect whatever forum you are on there is plenty of bashing. Is there any doubt where a lot of that comes from?

One other point for a fact check since you brought it up. The BMW IS NOT 60 pounds lighter. I have yet to find a single test that can verify your claim. In the real world, in which I reside, it does have an advantage but there is no need for you to intentionally distort the figures unless you are just here to pick a fight.

 

[ThreePutt]

This is why you don't bump a dead horse.

FWIW a 2015 GSA with ALL the shit is $23,495. My buddy just bought one.
My old 2013 GSW with all the shit was $18,750.
My new 2014 ST standard was $13,500 when I traded traded the GS at the beginning of the summer.

 

[cakeboy]

i agree with bmac ...why do folks get on websites telling us how great there current bike is and how they found S10 was crap ? i would never dream of going onto a bmw website saying how wonderfull my S10 is after coming from bm,s ...its funny but they have a lot of this sort of thing from bmw owners on the TDM website as well ? ?

 

[realshelby]

Well, I expect any post not pro Yamaha to be bashed here. It is a Yamaha forum! But this thread was about the BMW RT, not GS. I was at two Yamaha dealers yesterday and carefully looked over the new FJR's they had. After doing it a few weeks ago. I bought a new RT a few weeks ago. The FJR still looks like it did then, a ten year old design begging for updates in appearance and fit/finish. Yes they are fast. I reinforced my personal decision to trade my old RT for the new one. The Super Tenere's fit and finish make the FJR's look pretty sad. In fact the S10 is a very nice bike.

In fact I will probably be buying one instead of a BMW GS! I cannot justify the cost of the GS, this bike is for my Son and I will be helping a bit with the purchase. Even used GS's are more expensive than the S10 is new. Wish I could find one of the 2014's for the prices I see some post here as I would like the cruise control. We do 7-800 mile days frequently.

BMW's are NOT as bad as some here like to write about. When you figure how many they sell, you simply will hear of more stuff good and bad. If I keep this RT for 10 years like the old one, the cost difference is nothing. Which puts me back to value. How much does each smile cost? Over 10 years they become cheaper and cheaper!

 

[ThreePutt]

Well said.

 

[AVGeek]

Gents, I've locked this topic. We are here to discuss Super Tenere, and it is natural to compare it to the BMW GS series. What we don't need here is "my bike is better than your bike because you're dumb/poor/brainwashed/have more money than brains" retorts that I have seen in this thread.