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Just thought I would post my experience with Pelicans. They are tough no doubt. But they can leak and crack, despite what reports have said to the contrary. I was in Southwest Utah riding the Burr trail, had to cross a river from a flash flood. It was a deep crossings, and to boot it was coated with clay, making it hard to cross. I did not quite make the crossing, the bank was too steep for me to climb. The pelicans took the most of the hit. The camera and windshield was gone. This is what is looked like after. It has leaked ever since. Overall, for the price, they are a worthy bag.
 

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colorider said:
Fred, perhaps you did not see my earlier post on the racks, but the GIVI rack does NOT mount close on the right hand side, but instead has a large space, approximately equal distance, as the left side. It will look the same as a DL650 and would provide a space for a tool tube or whatever on the non-exhaust side. With this configuration, you would most likely want the same size bag on both sides.

I have decided to go with the SW-MOTECH racks which mount close on both sides, a 33L Trekker on the left, and a 46L Trekker on the right. Amotostuff does not carry SW-MOTECH so I will get my mounts from Twisted Throttle.

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Hi Rod,

It is hard for me to tell by looking at this pic, but it appears by looking at the lower support rod going forward that this Givi rack system is as close as the SWM. As mentioned, I hope to see several systems before making up my mind. If the SWM system does fit closer, that is the one I will go with. Thanks
 

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fredz43 said:
Hi Rod,

It is hard for me to tell by looking at this pic, but it appears by looking at the lower support rod going forward that this Givi rack system is as close as the SWM. As mentioned, I hope to see several systems before making up my mind. If the SWM system does fit closer, that is the one I will go with. Thanks
Fred, go back in this thread to my post #133 and then the later confirming post from Twisted Throttle concerning the differences between GIVI and SW-MOTECH.
 

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Why would GIVI be saying for the saddlebags to use one 46l and one 33l?? I would think this would mean the right side rack is closer to the bike than on the left side covering the exhaust.
 

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colorider said:
Fred, go back in this thread to my post #133 and then the later confirming post from Twisted Throttle concerning the differences between GIVI and SW-MOTECH.
In reviewing that conversation, it seems that amotostuff has not actually seen the Givi racks, but is going by info he has received?. Also in Kev's reply from Twisted he says:

"Givi usually makes racks symmetrical, which tends to space at least one case further from the center line of the bike than it really needs to be."

I agree that Givi USUALLY makes their racks that way, but it appears that Twisted has not seen these S10 racks in person either. The pics of the Givi PL367 racks do not appear to me to stick out any further than the SW M racks, but I haven't actually seen them either. Until I see them or hear from someone who has seen both to compare, I will reserve judgement. I do like the way the Givi's tie together in the rear with a stiffening cross bar rather than attaching to the plastic rear fender as it apears the SWM racks do.
 

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motocephalic said:
Just thought I would post my experience with Pelicans.
Thanks for posting the info, moto. Out of curiosity, was this part of a Caribou setup? Or had you pieced together the racks and pelican panniers on your own? I ask for a couple reasons. I think Caribou has a replacement (or discount) policy if you wreck a case. Pelican themselves may have something similar. That might get your case replaced for free or for a god discount. The other reason I ask is I'm curious if the Caribou 'break away' attachment system was in place. If not, might it have made a difference in this particular incident by the case coming free instead of being held firmly in place to absorb the impact? I want to learn from this because it's the first instance I've heard of where a pelican case broke and leaks after a crash (a crash that didn't make the bike unrideable or total it). Thanks.
 

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The racks are my own design, a four point system that makes a solid frame. The reason why the bags cannot be sent back is that they have mounting holes in the rear that clearly identify them as being used above their intended use and compromises the water-proofness. The warranty from pelican outlines their warranty does not cover any kind of situation beyond "normal wear and tear." I rode the bike from the river crossing, the pelicans saved most other parts and took the hit. I would say that was a well spent $100.00. These bags are good for the money, but they can leak and crack when used hard.

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fredz43 said:
In reviewing that conversation, it seems that amotostuff has not actually seen the Givi racks, but is going by info he has received?. Also in Kev's reply from Twisted he says:

"Givi usually makes racks symmetrical, which tends to space at least one case further from the center line of the bike than it really needs to be."

I agree that Givi USUALLY makes their racks that way, but it appears that Twisted has not seen these S10 racks in person either. The pics of the Givi PL367 racks do not appear to me to stick out any further than the SW M racks, but I haven't actually seen them either. Until I see them or hear from someone who has seen both to compare, I will reserve judgement. I do like the way the Givi's tie together in the rear with a stiffening cross bar rather than attaching to the plastic rear fender as it apears the SWM racks do.
I have a contact name at GIVI USA that I have been communicating with concerning their crashbars. I will contact him tomorrow and hopefully we can find out for sure. Both Amotostuff and Twisted Throttle have indicated that the GIVI rack is symmetrical, but since neither has actually seen them in person, it's still not 100% certain.

Rod
 

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fredz43 said:
The Trax look decent, but I have seem some pics on advrider showing that they are not waterproof, perhaps due to the riveted? construction. Also the aluminum interior is not what I prefer. Still undecided and looking forward to seeing more products in person before purchasing.
I asked Twisted Throttle about the video of the leaking Trax box and here's their response:

"From the sealing profiles and color of the corners, it looks like this was one of the first production run of Trax boxes several years ago. The initial production run had some that were not weatherproof. Since then, they've switched to a robot for sealing the corners (instead of hand gluing), developed new injection molded lid seals, and started submersion-testing every single box that comes off the production line to make sure they're waterproof. We haven't had any issues with customers having leakage issues in a long time. All of our stock was produced within the last few months since they started doing submersion testing. I think they've got it figured out."

Steve
 

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Thanks for the the replies, Rod and Steve. Looking forward to anything you learn from Givi, Rod. That is also good news about the Trax boxes. They look very good and I now find out that if you get the black powdercoated version, the inside is also black powdercoated, so you don't have the issue with bare aluminum rubbing off onto whatever you put inside.
 

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From the pictures posted on Givi.it website, I think the racks are asymetrical with the right-side case sitting closer to the bike allowing for the larger case.
The one picture is from the side, but judging by the angled black plastic contours, the right side case is larger than the left case.

http://www.givi.it/My-motorcycle/?ma=YAMAHA&mo=XT-1200Z-Super-Tenere-10
 

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As an airline pilot, I commute with my carry on bag as my top case, so I really just need a small light weight side bag setup to carry my brief case and a cover for the bike.

I decided to go with the Givi PLR367, which is available on amotostuff for 206.10 and a pair of Givi E21N flat black top loading side cases which go for 169.20/pair on the same website. If I find that later I need bigger bags for future travel needs, I can simply purchase a set of Trekkers that will fit on the same rack. Shipping was free, so my needs will be met for a mere 375.00. I have read many reports on the tough yet light weight E21 bags, and I am confident that they will be just as functional as the OEM bags that were on my Concours without the bulk.

I also plan to remove the rear seat and lower the standard top rack so that I can lay my Pelican 1510 roller bag for and aft as the top case. This is how I commuted for years on my Concours. I would have kept the Concours, but the S10 is such a hot looking bike, I couldn't resist.
 

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I just spoke with Judy at Amotostuff. She said the rack for the tenere is placed evenly off the center of the bike. No need for 2 diferent sized side cases.

Givi part # PLR367
 

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Looking at the picture provided on their website of the rack from the right, it shows that the rack is closer to the bike on the right than it could possibly be on the left due to the exhaust, so I'm not convinced that she is singing from the same sheet of music. I already ordered one, so when I get it, I should be able to tell and I will post the info.

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Paul,

You could be right? I was going to order the E36n and the E45n with the PLR367 rack. She told me that I wouldn't want 2 different sized bags because the racks were the same distance off the center of the bike. Ended up not ordering anything! Any Photoshop experts out ther that could do a pic of the S10 with the givi e36's. Now I don't know what the hell I want! ::)
 

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ptfjjj said:
As an airline pilot, I commute with my carry on bag as my top case, so I really just need a small light weight side bag setup to carry my brief case and a cover for the bike.

I decided to go with the Givi PLR367, which is available on amotostuff for 206.10 and a pair of Givi E21N flat black top loading side cases which go for 169.20/pair on the same website. If I find that later I need bigger bags for future travel needs, I can simply purchase a set of Trekkers that will fit on the same rack. Shipping was free, so my needs will be met for a mere 375.00. I have read many reports on the tough yet light weight E21 bags, and I am confident that they will be just as functional as the OEM bags that were on my Concours without the bulk.

I also plan to remove the rear seat and lower the standard top rack so that I can lay my Pelican 1510 roller bag for and aft as the top case. This is how I commuted for years on my Concours. I would have kept the Concours, but the S10 is such a hot looking bike, I couldn't resist.
The Givi E21's are nice little cases. I had a set on my Strom before I went with the Caribou's for more space. I recently bought a used Happy Trails pannier rack from an ADV seller and hung the E21's on my DR, for errand running around town. You really can't beat the value of them if you don't need a lot of storage space. They also look good on just about any type of bike.
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If GIVI wants it's racks balanced for the Trekker panniers the rack will be offset ~3" on the exhaust side. From their online suggestions regarding set-up the inference is that the racks are not made symmetrical.
Buy affixing the smaller bag to the side with the exhaust pipe, and the larger on the other, in many cases you can solve the issue of asymmetry
 

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tiogajoe said:
I just spoke with Judy at Amotostuff. She said the rack for the tenere is placed evenly off the center of the bike. No need for 2 diferent sized side cases.

Givi part # PLR367
I just went through all this with Chad and Judi about a week ago, right before I raised a flag here that the GIVI was symmetrical. Kev from Twisted Throttle confirmed this and that is why I changed my order from the GIVI rack to the SW-MOTECH rack. I do not want this extra space on the right side.

BUT, I just received an email from GIVI USA who I had contacted to confirm the configuration of the GIVI racks and he now tells me that they are asymmetrical!!!!!

We may never know until someone actually orders/receives the GIVI racks!!!!!
 
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