After Market Hard Luggage

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I've been looking at all of the available options for hard luggage and could use some recommendations, observations, suggestions, reviews, and/or opinions.

After reading the Super Tenere review on the Super Tenere fourm, ( http://www.xtz750.com/index.php/super-tenere-owners-forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=4031 ) I'm pretty sure I won't be buying the Yamaha hard bags:

“There are one or two design flaws I spotted, the first being the panniers which although they look aluminium are actually plastic - which on two bikes were broken off in a relatively low speed tumble. “

I'm seriously considering a set of TRAX bags because the look well made, and I like the quick disconnect mounting frames.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?s=33b554603c27d9023497815f9de0d222&p=14047040#post14047040
(pg 30, post 439)

Any observations or suggestions are appreciated.

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My topbox met mother earth (gravel) at a speed of between 100 and 120 km/h and it was because of the original mounting bracket which broke. The topbox was slightly bent and a piece of the aluminium on the one top corner was ripped loose. I fixed the box myself and it serves now as a standby box because the insurance gave me a brand new one.
I have no complaints about the side panniers and their mounting frames are not a sore eye when the panniers are not attached.
Oh .............. and they all are waterproof ;)
 

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http://www.micatech.net/v2cases.htm

these are going on my Tenere as soon as I can get it into my Garage. I've already contacted them and they are providing mounts for our bikes. I would stay away from Jesse bags (mine leaked, hardware rusted, and was a hassle to install with signal relocation and license plate relocation)
 

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Grunt58 ................ Are you going to get the inner bags too? I see that these panniers are opening to the side. I once had the experience with nearly all my groceries on the ground after opening a side opened pannier and not using an inner bag :-[
 

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Uncle F said:
Grunt58 ................ Are you going to get the inner bags too? I see that these panniers are opening to the side. I once had the experience with nearly all my groceries on the ground after opening a side opened pannier and not using an inner bag :-[
I've had both top load and side load bags. I pack everything in inner bags (I use color coded bags). Each bag has a specific type of item in it (food, water and stove in one - oil, tool roll, and tire repair kit in another, cloths in another and so on). I like the side open because I can open the bags and get my gear without unpacking my camping kit straddling the top of the bags (I camp in comfort after all that time in the Marines). I carry a cot, tent, sleeping bag, spare fuel and a few other items up there. I have found this tends to work for me. I make sure the weight is distributed evenly between bags because I like to scoot when I hit the twisties.... ;D. I just keep a empty inner bag in the panniers so when I do get groceries or related stuff, I can pack it all in the parking lot and just grab the cube when I get to my camp site.
 

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gunner said:
I'm pretty sure I won't be buying the Yamaha hard bags:

“There are one or two design flaws I spotted, the first being the panniers which although they look aluminium are actually plastic - which on two bikes were broken off in a relatively low speed tumble. “
I recall the same quote but also recall that someone with the Yamaha bags saying that they were mixed construction - aluminum with plastic for stuff like hinges and locks. (FWIIW, BMW bags, which I've owned on several different bikes, are of similar construction.)

I think the Yamaha bags have gotten a bad rap due to the requirement that the early buyers in Europe have to buy them and a few reviewers here being pre-disposed to want more rugged and larger bags. I'm not saying the Yamaha bags are the best or the most rugged, just that I don't think they are as bad as some are saying and the integration with the bike is less obtrusive with respect to mounts which might be important to some who won't keep the bags on the bike all the time. If your pannier needs are light-duty, I don't see why the Yamaha bags shouldn't be serviceable.

- Mark
 

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Humm............darn.......a leaking issue with the TRAX bags.......I'll have to investigate that before I spend any money, thanks for the heads up.

I've been riding sport touring motorcycles with plastic hard bags for the past 22 years and they worked just fine, but I was always riding on pavement. The reason I'm not crazy about the Yamaha bags is that if I have a get off on a dirt road and tear up a metal bag with metal brackets, I can get a repair job done at just about any shop that has a welder. I have this image in my mind of having a get off 4000 miles from home and having to finish my ride with a plastic bag lashed to my bike, worrying about it flopping around and coming loose. I just don't want to go there.

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markjenn said:
...... I recall the same quote but also recall that someone with the Yamaha bags saying that they were mixed construction - aluminum with plastic for stuff like hinges and locks ....
They are indeed plastic. They are clad in light gauge anodised aluminium. It's been said here that they do the job perfectly well. They do, they're spot on for day to day stuff. They are a light build for the pure convenience of it.

If I were to do the Dakar .... or a long meaningful and deadly serious haul .... I'd personally rethink the luggage specification for a heavyweight set up. That said, I convinced the OEM stuff would get you through.
 

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So far I like what I see with the Givi Trekker hard bags for on road use, which is what I will do the vast majority of the time. I think that if I do some adventure off road rides, I'll use my soft Ortleib Dry Bags that I have used while touring on my KLR650. I have read some concerns from adv types, including Mark Sampson of Big Dog Adventures concerning the possibility of leg injuries in off road spills with hard bags.
 

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Another consideration to think about is that the more rugged you make the bags and the more bulletproof you make the attachments to the bike, the more stress you put on the rear subframe when you do crash. And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the S10 has a steel main frame and an alum subframe. My bet is that the alum subframe is probably the weak link on the S10. On the GS, there appears to me (and I have no hard data - just my anecdotal observation) to be a correlation between rear subframe failures and mounting bigger/heavier/more-rugged rear bags. Some of this is simple overloading, but I bet bigger aftermarket bags transfer more crash stress to the subframe.

I crashed semi-hard on my BMW R1100S on a gravel road one time and the factory (mostly plastic) hard bag ripped off, breaking the plastic latch that holds the bag to the mount. But I could still hang it on the bike, Rok-Strap it down to stay in place and ride the rest of a 1500-mile tour. Once home, I replaced the plastic latch and was back in business. But more importantly, I had no damage to my subframe mounts and this is a weak point on this bike - had I broken these mounts, the bike would have gone from having $1500 of damage to being totalled.

It just depends on what you want to do with the bike. There is a tendency in discussions like this to simply conclude that the more rugged something is, the better it it is, but ruggedness always has drawbacks and anytime you protect something on the bike, you transfer stresses to something else. Even things like frame sliders on sportbikes can have the effect of changing a low-side crash to a tumble crash and/or breaking the frame or engine mounts rather than just rashing the plastic. Everything is a tradeoff.

As another example, I have a V-Strom and it has the SW-Motech setup for the skid plate and lower engine guards. I'll be the first to admit that it's NOT the most rugged setup - the skid plate is fairly thin aluminum and even has a cutout where the exhaust header protrudes so the plate can be mounted higher (Strom's are notorious for poor ground clearance). And there is minimal protection for the plastic side panels. Now with 17k miles of use (including six or eight tours on some pretty gnarly and rocky forest service roads - e.g., Colockum Pass between Ellensberg and Wenatchee WA), the skid plate is somewhat scratched up and has a few hard rock hits, but nothing major. It's done its job just fine. And the more rugged skid plates mount lower to protect the header and in doing so, dramatically reducing ground clearance, and tending to cause more of what they're trying to prevent. I have dropped the bike once or twice at low speed and haven't done anything more than a few minor scratches. Now, I haven't asked my Strom to go over logs or climb through boulder fields, but then that's not my plan with a 475-lb 650cc bike with 6.5" of suspension travel at both ends. And it will be even less of a plan when I own a 575-lb 1200cc adventure bike.

As a final example, I remember reading a blog by a KLR expert who does a lot of work on these bikes and sees a lot of bikes. His opinion is that most of the adventurized KLR's he sees are so heavy and armored-up, that the bike crashes a lot more and is so badly overloaded that it breaks more.

Again, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from getting aftermarket bags or bigger crash guards - I may too and I like the SW-Motech stuff. But do make an evaluation of your planned use of the bike when making decisions and realize that there are always tradeoffs.

- Mark
 

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I will buy OEM side bags. Even though they are small and some have mentioned a latch issue I don't think that is enough to kill the deal. I pack light, mountain climber and hiking gear is my norm so my stuff packs down really small. It's not cheap stuff but the space savings is worth it to me. I am not buying a top case, been there done that won't do it again. I have a GIVI 460 top case on hand if I need to use it. I prefer the Ortileb large dry bags attached with ROK straps for a top rack storage unit. I like to stay lean and mean no excess weight or handling issues that generally comes with large luggage bags.
 

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fredz43 said:
So far I like what I see with the Givi Trekker hard bags for on road use, which is what I will do the vast majority of the time. I think that if I do some adventure off road rides, I'll use my soft Ortleib Dry Bags that I have used while touring on my KLR650. I have read some concerns from adv types, including Mark Sampson of Big Dog Adventures concerning the possibility of leg injuries in off road spills with hard bags.
Same here - and unless I read some really negative reports between now and then - I'll go with the actual Givi mounts. So far they look to be priced a fair amount less than either SW-Motech or H&B.
 

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Kevhunts said:
I've been giving Caribou Cases a hard look. Unless something dramatically new evolves for the tenere, then these will be my choice.

http://www.youtube.com/user/cariboucases
Those look interesting. What racks would you use? Of course, they don't show anything for the S10 yet, but I was wondering how the SW Motec quick release Evo racks would work with these on the S10, so you could remove the racks easily when not using the bags.
 

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fredz43 said:
Kevhunts said:
I've been giving Caribou Cases a hard look. Unless something dramatically new evolves for the tenere, then these will be my choice.

http://www.youtube.com/user/cariboucases
Those look interesting. What racks would you use? Of course, they don't show anything for the S10 yet, but I was wondering how the SW Motec quick release Evo racks would work with these on the S10, so you could remove the racks easily when not using the bags.
I believe Rodger stated Caribou would be offering their own racks as soon as the bikes hit the streets. So these would be my choice.
I also recall reading somewhere, which racks were rated in order of strength:
1. Caribou
2. Hepco Becker
3. SW Motech
4. Givi
 

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fredz43 said:
Kevhunts said:
I've been giving Caribou Cases a hard look. Unless something dramatically new evolves for the tenere, then these will be my choice.

http://www.youtube.com/user/cariboucases
Those look interesting. What racks would you use? Of course, they don't show anything for the S10 yet, but I was wondering how the SW Motec quick release Evo racks would work with these on the S10, so you could remove the racks easily when not using the bags.
Roger (the owner of Caribou) is just down the road a ways from where I live. First rate guy and products, IMHO. As I understand, he will be using Hepco-Becker for his setup for the S10 and will be working the fitment of his cases once he has accees to a S10 (possibly mine).

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Kevhunts said:
I also recall reading somewhere, which racks were rated in order of strength:
1. Caribou
2. Hepco Becker
3. SW Motech
4. Givi
Is that a "general" rating - or specific to the S10? I would be interested in reading the full evaluation. One issue I have with the SW-Motech is that they are NOT intended for use with a pillion. I have used both Givi and SW-Motech on previous bikes and never had a problem with either.
 
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