After Market Hard Luggage

[fredz43]

Anybody recall how many liters the Yamaha bags are?

 

[Chadx]

@ Chadx - How do you think the Wolfman Expedition saddle bags would work with a pillion 2-up?

Sorry, I've not used them two up. But if the mounting points, for the upcoming Super Tenere wolfman racks are placed anything like they are on other bikes, there will be room for two up riding. And if you use the D-ring loops that wolfman offers, to mount the saddlebags to other manufacturres racks like SW-Motech, surely they will be out of the way because they are much smaller than the hard panniers. The wolfman saddlebags are around 19L each, so significantly smaller than hardbags. They are a great option for offroard riding, in my opinion, and/or for lighter trips. I plan on choosing the largest pannier option since I'll have the saddlebags for offroad and lighter trips and the panniers for long road trips.

 

[Chadx]

Re: Micatec bags

Does anyone know how the mounts shown in the TT video will be for the Super Tenere? Will they use the passenger footpegs as a mounting point for the brackets?

I linked to them on the other thread, but here is a copy...

This is how the SW-Motech brackets mount on the Super Tenere.

Here the quick locks are in place, but not the rack.

Here is the rack attached to the quick locks. The racks come off with a few 90degree quick-turn screws:

 

[Chadx]

I can't find the Micatech cases on the Twisted Throttle web site. Did they drop the line?

They disappeared from the website last week. I inquired and got a polite reply from Twisted Throttle saying Micatech questions and order fulfillment can be done directly through the Micatechs website. I don't know what happened, but not really any of my business and that reply told me all I needed to know. Twisted Throttle no longer sells Micatech. Always a shame when there are fewer vendor/retail choices.

 

[Chadx]

SW-MOTECH racks are built to be as close to the bike as possible on both sides. This means SW-MOTECH's racks are slightly assymetrical. Givi usually makes racks symmetrical, which tends to space at least one case further from the center line of the bike than it really needs to be.

Great explanation.

Honestly, I don't understood why one would want a rack that stuck out further than needed. All that wasted space left open or for just a small tube or something seems a waste and it works against you in so many ways. I guess it's mainly a looks thing that decides it for most people. For me, I want it as functional as possible, and that means as narrow as possible for trail work, city traffic, and garage maneuvering. And even though it doesn't impact mass centralization too much, it does a bit. Every few inches inward that the weight is carried, there will be some benefit.

So, it's the close fitting racks (like the SW-motech) for me. Likely, the Micatech V2 for hard cases. The right side will be the larger 45L (10"). I haven't decided if the exhaust side will be a smaller 37L (8") pannier or the 45L (10"). But that will be decided strictly on if I think I need the carrying capacity and not on how it looks from behind. Since I'll have the Wolfman Expeditiion Dry Saddlebags for light trips, I'll probably go with two 45L for max capacity when running errands or on long road trips.

 

[Chadx]

I just went through the numbers and the SW-MOTECH setup (when used for Givi bags) will be $98 more than the Givi mounts. This include the shipping cost that I would not incur if buying Givi.

Just get whichever one you like better and will be happier with. $98 doesn't seem too significant on a $13,000 bike with probably $1,000 - $3,000 wort of add ons. The worst part would be when you look at something, for years to come, and think to yourself "I settled for that". You want to look at your choice, even if it's the cheaper one, and think "I got what was the best choice for me and got exactly what I wanted". Shop accordingly. ...even if that means putting off another farkle just a bit longer.

 

[ptfjjj]

Does anyone know how the weight of the Trekker set compares to the Pelican/Caribou set? The Pelican setup is a little on the heavy side, but I like the durability and water resistance. You can get a set of SW Motech racks and put the IM2400 (26L) on the left and the IM2450 (32L) on the right with the whole setup costing around $800. (side cases only)

I'm not sure though, cuz I like the Trekker set, too. Looking at the Givi PLR367 side case rack in the picture on the amotostuff website, it does not appear to extend on the right much past the bike's passenger side handle, if any at all, so I don't really think that there's much of a gap, but I can't find a picture that shows a view of the bike from the rear with the rack installed. If the Trekker setup is significantly lighter than the Pelican setup, then I may be inclined to go that route just to save weight.

BTW, I live near Daytona Beach and with Bike Week just around the corner, I hope to get up close and personal to a demo bike soon.

 

[spklbuk]

Sorry, I've not used them two up. But if the mounting points, for the upcoming Super Tenere wolfman racks are placed anything like they are on other bikes, there will be room for two up riding. And if you use the D-ring loops that wolfman offers, to mount the saddlebags to other manufacturres racks like SW-Motech, surely they will be out of the way because they are much smaller than the hard panniers. The wolfman saddlebags are around 19L each, so significantly smaller than hardbags. They are a great option for offroard riding, in my opinion, and/or for lighter trips. I plan on choosing the largest pannier option since I'll have the saddlebags for offroad and lighter trips and the panniers for long road trips.

Thank you sir. Knew they were small; light and small sounds good for now at least.

 

[colorider]

Just get whichever one you like better and will be happier with. $98 doesn't seem too significant on a $13,000 bike with probably $1,000 - $3,000 wort of add ons. The worst part would be when you look at something, for years to come, and think to yourself "I settled for that". You want to look at your choice, even if it's the cheaper one, and think "I got what was the best choice for me and got exactly what I wanted". Shop accordingly. ...even if that means putting off another farkle just a bit longer.

Yeah, that's the conclusion I came to last night. There are some advantages to the Givi setup - mainly if you want that space for either a tool tube or spare fuel container, but I decided I prefer the close mount setup. I will go with a 33L Trekker on the left and a 46L Trekker on the right, mounted on SW-MOTECH racks. The Trekkers are on order and I will have them mid Feb, but I still need to pull the trigger on the mounts/adapters.

 

[Rick]

Great explanation.

Honestly, I don't understood why one would want a rack that stuck out further than needed. All that wasted space left open or for just a small tube or something seems a waste and it works against you in so many ways. I guess it's mainly a looks thing that decides it for most people. For me, I want it as functional as possible, and that means as narrow as possible for trail work, city traffic, and garage maneuvering. And even though it doesn't impact mass centralization too much, it does a bit. Every few inches inward that the weight is carried, there will be some benefit.

So, it's the close fitting racks (like the SW-motech) for me. Likely, the Micatech V2 for hard cases. The right side will be the larger 45L (10"). I haven't decided if the exhaust side will be a smaller 37L (8") pannier or the 45L (10"). But that will be decided strictly on if I think I need the carrying capacity and not on how it looks from behind. Since I'll have the Wolfman Expeditiion Dry Saddlebags for light trips, I'll probably go with two 45L for max capacity when running errands or on long road trips.

I want to be able to reuse the Pelican cases from my DL1000 so I need the symmetrical rack. Running the other setup doesn't make you narrower or more maneuverable since you are going to run a wider case on one side of the bike. And actually, since that case is larger you are likely to carry more stuff in it making the bike less maneuverable.

Now, I guess my problem is adapting the Pelican's to the GIVI racks. I really like the SW racks because of the way they look when off the bike. The other thing is that I have seen a few people with GIVI racks have to have them welded at some point due to fatigue or weak materials or welds. :::thinking:::

 

[Chadx]

Running the other setup doesn't make you narrower or more maneuverable since you are going to run a wider case on one side of the bike. And actually, since that case is larger you are likely to carry more stuff in it making the bike less maneuverable.

By your response, I might not have been clear in my description. I have always intended on running the big case on the right side, so if the rack has an unnecessary 4"+ gap, it actually will make the case stick out 4"+ further than a rack designed to sit in tight against the bike. So pannier capacity being equal, the narrower rack will, of course, make the overall width narrower and carry the weight more centered.

It was only on the exhaust-side that I briefly considered the smaller of the two panniers to offset that side rack needing to stick out to clear the exhaust. In the end, I decided to do the larger pannier on the exhaust side as well. I'll still be gaining more centralized weight and avoiding extra width by getting racks that don't stick out on the non-exhaust side. Not saying that is right for everyone. Just right for me for the reasons I outlined in this post and my previous. If the looks of the panniers sitting away from the bike different amounts is the type of thing that bothers folks, then it's good that some manufactures stick out the non-exhaust side racks. We all get our preference.

 

[markjenn]

Anybody recall how many liters the Yamaha bags are?

Yamaha's letter describing the accessory packages says 32L per side.

- Mark

 

[Swagger]

.... Yamaha's letter describing the accessory packages says 32L per side ....

Hmmmm ... that needs a little more consideration ... the nearside box is indented to accommodate the zorst can ... not much but definitely less volume.

 

[colorider]

Hmmmm ... that needs a little more consideration ... the nearside box is indented to accommodate the zorst can ... not much but definitely less volume.

Sounds about right for the left side, but the right side looks to be quite a bitl larger - perhaps more like 40L.

 

[switchback]

P/N - ABA-23PKT-SE-03
Description Retail
Aluminum Side Case 29 Liter - Left $ 449.95
Aluminum Side Case 32 Liter - Right $ 449.95

From Yamaha's website. I also thought they were larger.

Also found out that the luggage is made by Shad. http://shadusa.forumotion.net/t115-shad-produces-original-equipment-luggage-for-the-yamaha-xt-1200z-super-tenere

 

[Chadx]

32L seems about right from what I remember in December. They were not huge by any means, but a reasonable size.

 

[colorider]

P/N - ABA-23PKT-SE-03
Description Retail
Aluminum Side Case 29 Liter - Left $ 449.95
Aluminum Side Case 32 Liter - Right $ 449.95

From Yamaha's website. I also thought they were larger.

I would have never thought they were that small. I'm also surprised the muffler cutout only reduces the volume by 3L.

???

 

[tiogajoe]

I was at the NYC IMS yesterday. I spoke with The guys from Givi who offered some suggestions. The Trekker bags are very nice! But you could see that the aluminum skin can easily dent as the bag on display had several dings in it from being moved from show to show. The next bags where the E36 and E45 Monokey.
The Givi Rep said these are very popular in Europe for Dualsport /Adv bikes. They seemed well built and very roomy. Here's the best part...they are less than $150 a bag and should your bike take a nap, each part can be replaced without having to buy a new bag. If you use the Givi racks on the S10 any of the Monokey bags will fit the rack. Granted the E36/45 bags are not the most stylish bags out there but if your not going to ride hard core off road they are alot of bang for the $$$. The Trekker bags are about $350 each. I did not get a price for the Givi Rack system? I'm going to guess it's in the $275 range. I also looked at the Trax bags. Very nice but about a $900 to $1100 depending on the Finish. Bottom line for me is that You can spend big $ on Hard bags. As long as it's water tight and dust proof ( as both the Givis are) the junk I through in them won't care what I spent. I don't want to sound like I'm cheaping out on a $13,000 plus bike but the money saved can used for other accessories esp. the most important one...... Gas!

 

[fredz43]

I am looking forward to checking out the Trekkers next month in Indy. I see that amotostuff.com has decent prices on them. The combo of a 33L + 46L plus quick disconnect racks is about $820. The pics of the racks for these look as though they fit at least as close to the bike as the SW Motec racks.

The Trax look decent, but I have seem some pics on advrider showing that they are not waterproof, perhaps due to the riveted? construction. Also the aluminum interior is not what I prefer. Still undecided and looking forward to seeing more products in person before purchasing.

 

[colorider]

I am looking forward to checking out the Trekkers next month in Indy. I see that amotostuff.com has decent prices on them. The combo of a 33L + 46L plus quick disconnect racks is about $820. The pics of the racks for these look as though they fit at least as close to the bike as the SW Motec racks.

The Trax look decent, but I have seem some pics on advrider showing that they are not waterproof, perhaps due to the riveted? construction. Also the aluminum interior is not what I prefer. Still undecided and looking forward to seeing more products in person before purchasing.

Fred, perhaps you did not see my earlier post on the racks, but the GIVI rack does NOT mount close on the right hand side, but instead has a large space, approximately equal distance, as the left side. It will look the same as a DL650 and would provide a space for a tool tube or whatever on the non-exhaust side. With this configuration, you would most likely want the same size bag on both sides.

I have decided to go with the SW-MOTECH racks which mount close on both sides, a 33L Trekker on the left, and a 46L Trekker on the right. Amotostuff does not carry SW-MOTECH so I will get my mounts from Twisted Throttle.

Rod