I wish I would have kept my 99 Tiger. Except for the dealers it served me well and that howl with the off-road pipe is to die for!
Would you have bought your Tenere if it was the same price as a BMW 1200GS?
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I would not have bought the Tenere for the same money as the BMW. Probably would have given serious consideration to the Triumph Tiger 1050. But most likely still just riding my DL1000, being fat, dumb and happy.
If the Tenere had been the same price as a BMW, I would have looked elsewhere. More than likely, I would have bought a Wee Strom..
If i could have afforded the price range of the BMW and the Tenere was at that level and or even slightly above, I would have gone with the Tenere. German stuff isn't my thing compared to Japanese durability.
+1 What he said!HoebSTer said:
RE: Triumph, the sparse dealer network would put me off the Tiger. I had a 955i Daytona and as another said, the triple with a pipe makes beautiful music. But I keep coming back to Japanese reliability. I guess I think it is great that there are so many options fo folks looking at ADV style bikes. It has to push the manufacturers to improve their products. Basically I believe you should buy what you want and be happy with it, there are no wrong answers just choices.
Got them both, same price? Would not have bought the Tenere. But I do love it.
No, I would have kept my 05 fjr and 07 950se that I sold to buy the super ten.
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If the Tenere was the same price as the BMW, I would not have purchased neither. The BMW1200GS is up towards $30,000.00.
I looked at a new GS and it was far too pricey with the rather limited options I wanted (Heated Grips, Trip Computer & full Luggage) and weighed in at £13k - actually less the the ST by the time you add luggage, in the end I got a 2 year old bike with more on it for £8.5k - saving £5k over new!
I can't be bothered by traction control, I find I can lean the BMW over as far as I dare and open the throttle as hard as I dare and in a year and 9,000 miles I have not once had traction problems - and have also survived 26 years and about 150,000 motorcycle miles without TC so would not pay £1300 for it on a BMW and do not much care for it on the Yamaha - OK if it is bundled in "free" then great, but I suspect the system is adding to the Yamaha's cost.
I think many people do buy from specs and ABS / Traction Control etc. increase sales, most UK GS's have the premium and dynamic packs (Traction / ABS / Electronic Suspension / Tyre Pressure Sensors / Anti-Wheelie)
I deliberately bought one without electronic suspension and fitted far better quality Wilburs units, OEM shocks are normally crap, having a button that alters your crap suspension is worthless to me, I can adjust my units for anything in seconds, the ride is massively improved and it can be ridden hard two-up with luggage when the OEM stuff is hopeless - but most people prefer gadgets.
I do not trust my BMW not to blow up the FPC at any time (I carry a spare) and I am worried about long trips in case the FD fails and ruins a holiday - fear of impending breakdown is no fun, and the reason the BMW will be going, at 11k I set off for a 3k tour, by the end both fork seals were leaking, the clutch had a problem and both front discs were warped, most traditional UK BMW owners will put up with crap reliability, expensive servicing and poor dealer attitudes, which is probably why BMW don't build them better or fix the issues like the FD / FPC / Fuel gauge etc. as why should they bother when they buld them cheaply and still sell loads of them.
The only thing that may stop me ending up the the Yamaha is the little things BMW get very right - and cost nothing to copy, intergrated heated grips with controls on handlebar cluster - how hard is that? Why has the Yamaha just got an option smilar to third party products (but at four times the cost)
Then the luggage is smaller than the smallest BMW offering, is difficult to open and close / fit and remove, bends the key and spmetimes just falls off - really not good enough, so I now have to try and find some decent third party gear. The BMW luggage is brilliant, easy to open / close, goes on and off in minutes and holds enough for two people to tour on.
The BMW also has a screen that can be adjusted without tools, the computer is controlled from the handlebars which is far better than buttons on the clocks like the Yamaha has, there is plenty of room for the Sat-Nav (and a dedicated bar to mount it on above the clocks in easy view)
Lastly I would expect a bit more power from a modern engine, the GS one dates back about 30 years, the Yamaha should really have had more power everywhere, OK the bottom end is probably a shade stronger, but it really ought to tower above the BMW over the entire rev range, and why does it weigh so much, admittedly on the move the sensation dissapears but it can't help fiel consumption (somewhere else the BMW excels) or off-raod capability.
So I would not buy a new GS over a ST, but I am still not 100% sure I will buy the Yamaha and it is due to things that really would not have taken much R&D or added to production costs.
I can't be bothered by traction control, I find I can lean the BMW over as far as I dare and open the throttle as hard as I dare and in a year and 9,000 miles I have not once had traction problems - and have also survived 26 years and about 150,000 motorcycle miles without TC so would not pay £1300 for it on a BMW and do not much care for it on the Yamaha - OK if it is bundled in "free" then great, but I suspect the system is adding to the Yamaha's cost.
I think many people do buy from specs and ABS / Traction Control etc. increase sales, most UK GS's have the premium and dynamic packs (Traction / ABS / Electronic Suspension / Tyre Pressure Sensors / Anti-Wheelie)
I deliberately bought one without electronic suspension and fitted far better quality Wilburs units, OEM shocks are normally crap, having a button that alters your crap suspension is worthless to me, I can adjust my units for anything in seconds, the ride is massively improved and it can be ridden hard two-up with luggage when the OEM stuff is hopeless - but most people prefer gadgets.
I do not trust my BMW not to blow up the FPC at any time (I carry a spare) and I am worried about long trips in case the FD fails and ruins a holiday - fear of impending breakdown is no fun, and the reason the BMW will be going, at 11k I set off for a 3k tour, by the end both fork seals were leaking, the clutch had a problem and both front discs were warped, most traditional UK BMW owners will put up with crap reliability, expensive servicing and poor dealer attitudes, which is probably why BMW don't build them better or fix the issues like the FD / FPC / Fuel gauge etc. as why should they bother when they buld them cheaply and still sell loads of them.
The only thing that may stop me ending up the the Yamaha is the little things BMW get very right - and cost nothing to copy, intergrated heated grips with controls on handlebar cluster - how hard is that? Why has the Yamaha just got an option smilar to third party products (but at four times the cost)
Then the luggage is smaller than the smallest BMW offering, is difficult to open and close / fit and remove, bends the key and spmetimes just falls off - really not good enough, so I now have to try and find some decent third party gear. The BMW luggage is brilliant, easy to open / close, goes on and off in minutes and holds enough for two people to tour on.
The BMW also has a screen that can be adjusted without tools, the computer is controlled from the handlebars which is far better than buttons on the clocks like the Yamaha has, there is plenty of room for the Sat-Nav (and a dedicated bar to mount it on above the clocks in easy view)
Lastly I would expect a bit more power from a modern engine, the GS one dates back about 30 years, the Yamaha should really have had more power everywhere, OK the bottom end is probably a shade stronger, but it really ought to tower above the BMW over the entire rev range, and why does it weigh so much, admittedly on the move the sensation dissapears but it can't help fiel consumption (somewhere else the BMW excels) or off-raod capability.
So I would not buy a new GS over a ST, but I am still not 100% sure I will buy the Yamaha and it is due to things that really would not have taken much R&D or added to production costs.
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That is the reason I would not buy a BMW even at KLR650 prices. Reliability is everything to me, and the reason I own a Yamaha.Rasher said:
Good luck getting rid of you BMW. Hope your next bike brings you peace of mind.
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S10 sales in Germany up quite a bit
http://www.motorradonline.de/de/bmw-spezial/zulassungszahlen-2011-die-top-10-der-motorrad-modelle/357355?mrdkampagne=rss_homepage
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Don't worry they will plummet again once the new "everything is fixed, press junketed, no need to worry anymore, we've finally figured out how to do water cooled, and it';s got 6 way ESA now" 1250GS comes out in 2013. You watch ;DBundu said:
Or so he says, many BMW owners consider a few roadside recoveries a year normal and "no problem" I cam across a guy who has done 75k in 5 years and his bike has now had 4 final drive failures (plus other breakdowns) and he is delighted and thinks it is a brilliant bike and nothing else could be as reliable as this BMW.RonH said:
I think BMW owners have led to most of the recent problems by accepting lower and lower standards year on year, many don't care as long as they have a BMW badge on the bike. Strange bunch.
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I'm with this guy...+3
Caponord998
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Thank you to all for your honest opinions. Some great responses.
I actually went to my local Yamaha dealer today to try and demo the bike but, to no avail. It looks much better in person and the black is truly beautiful. I got hooked on the adv bug 6 years ago and my breakthrough bike was a ratty F 650 GS with over 50 000km in Greece. Loved that little bike and decided upon my return to go to my very nice and friendly Triumph BMW dealer. After a short while the rep said "tak the the 1200 GS out, its a much better bike than the 650". All I can say is; it was the biggest disappointment in my 30 years of motorcycling experience. I couldn't believe how different the two Gs' were. I left heartbroken, I loved the little GS but, realized its limitations, not enough power for 200lb rider with gear let alone two up. So I stumbled upon an Aprilia dealer; rode the Caponord and fell in love all over again. It was like riding the baby Gs only with twice the power! It took me four years to finally purchase a used Capo because the dealer in Houston was uncooperative. They say all good things come to those who wait... It is true. Considering the horror stories about the big GS' I m glad I got my Capo. I still would like to demo the Super Tenere and perhaps buy it but not to replace my beloved wonderful Caponord. I finally realized why I loved the baby GS. it was in reality an Aprilia with some BMW badges. Maybe the should have had Aprilia build them the big GS?
I actually went to my local Yamaha dealer today to try and demo the bike but, to no avail. It looks much better in person and the black is truly beautiful. I got hooked on the adv bug 6 years ago and my breakthrough bike was a ratty F 650 GS with over 50 000km in Greece. Loved that little bike and decided upon my return to go to my very nice and friendly Triumph BMW dealer. After a short while the rep said "tak the the 1200 GS out, its a much better bike than the 650". All I can say is; it was the biggest disappointment in my 30 years of motorcycling experience. I couldn't believe how different the two Gs' were. I left heartbroken, I loved the little GS but, realized its limitations, not enough power for 200lb rider with gear let alone two up. So I stumbled upon an Aprilia dealer; rode the Caponord and fell in love all over again. It was like riding the baby Gs only with twice the power! It took me four years to finally purchase a used Capo because the dealer in Houston was uncooperative. They say all good things come to those who wait... It is true. Considering the horror stories about the big GS' I m glad I got my Capo. I still would like to demo the Super Tenere and perhaps buy it but not to replace my beloved wonderful Caponord. I finally realized why I loved the baby GS. it was in reality an Aprilia with some BMW badges. Maybe the should have had Aprilia build them the big GS?
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Caponord998 welcome could you put up some pictures of that Aprilla, Caponord I have never seen one.
::026::simmons1 said:
If the Super T was in the same MSRP as the GS/A I may have just gotten a KLR, If the GS/A and the Duc MS12 were down in the same range as the Super T I may have gone for the Duc. For me this bike is really a Street Touring machine, I don't really do much off-road riding, nor am I planning on anything more off-road than some fire/forest roads so the extra street performance of the Duc would have won out IF they were all in the same price range.
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I still would have bought the Tenere. I either need to switch to decafe or have some other medical issue because, when I get off the tenere, I still feel blown away by its performance and everything this bike can do. When I test rode a Bmw GS, I didn't get that wow feeling.
Dagny_Taggart
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After putting 1,000 miles on a new S10, I sold my GSA with 25,000 miles. The BMW never left me anywhere... but there were some annoying issues handled under warranty, and it was no longer under warranty.
For the time being, I am in the Yamaha camp.
For the time being, I am in the Yamaha camp.