Would you have bought your Tenere if it was the same price as a BMW 1200GS?
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Yamahauler
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This is an interesting discussion for me. I recently put my S10 for sale here on the forum. The reason is I rode the new WC BMW GS and was blown away. The refinement and character of that bike has stuck with me for 2 months after riding it. However, I rode my S10 a good 600 miles over the last 3 days and I once again get it. It is a brilliant bike and more utlitarian in nature. In my opinion they are different breeds. The WC boxer is like a sports bike on stilts. It truly is impressive to ride. Now to own one, I doubt it will be much fun as it is having teething pains as everyone expected. I also rode a DOHC cam updated 2011 GS and that was also impressive but more in line to the Tenere, at least in my opinion.
I purchased the S10 for the legendary Yamaha reliability, and in fact, I always wanted a GS or GS/A but could not pull the trigger due the price tag. Not that I couldn't afford it but could not mentally get my head around the price tag and what you got for the $6k more than the Tenere. Some may say I probably settled and in a way I did but I don't regret it. The reliability issues with thebeemers have also always kept me from pulling the trigger. It's like the good wife..who is pretty, takes care of you and your children and you know is your dream girl. But that hot supermodel type always calls to you from time to time. Short lived and not good for the long haul..
I'm still infected by the new GS but that will not seal the fate for my Tenere. I know if I sold it I would be sorry at some point. It just does everything well as you all know. Maybe some day I'll pick-up a GS to live "that dream" but for now..its time to pile the miles on the S10 and add it to the long-term fleet.
I purchased the S10 for the legendary Yamaha reliability, and in fact, I always wanted a GS or GS/A but could not pull the trigger due the price tag. Not that I couldn't afford it but could not mentally get my head around the price tag and what you got for the $6k more than the Tenere. Some may say I probably settled and in a way I did but I don't regret it. The reliability issues with thebeemers have also always kept me from pulling the trigger. It's like the good wife..who is pretty, takes care of you and your children and you know is your dream girl. But that hot supermodel type always calls to you from time to time. Short lived and not good for the long haul..
I'm still infected by the new GS but that will not seal the fate for my Tenere. I know if I sold it I would be sorry at some point. It just does everything well as you all know. Maybe some day I'll pick-up a GS to live "that dream" but for now..its time to pile the miles on the S10 and add it to the long-term fleet.
A friend has had one for a couple months. 4,000 miles and the only problem's been the switchgear getting sticky after he power-washed the bike (says he didn't use high pressure in that area). He absolutely loves it...Yamahauler said:
88millimeter
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No I would not have bought one, I would of waited for a depreciated used one and then bought it.
Yamahauler
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That's good to hear. I had heard of the switchgear failing and that has been by far the most frequent problem I've read about. I expect they'll get that sorted out soon. I'm looking forward to see how they hold up as the miles pile on.twinrider said:
Yamahauler said:
What is it they're up to with recalls now on the new WC R1200G/S?
3 or 4 in the 3 months or so since they've been out?
Of course, they never really have got those final drives sorted out since the Oilheads... And they've had the Hexheads, Camheads, and now Wetheads, to get that sorted out, right? 8)
Yeah, I think it may be a good idea to give 'em a while to see how things go!!! ::017::
Dallara
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Can't see it getting any better :exclaim:Dallara said:
* Re-Call for over-pressured Oil Pump causing leaks
* Re-Call for front end not being bolted up properly
* Re-Call for Fault with Enduro TC Mode
I have also seen multiple reports of indicators and hazards turning themselves on and off, and gear selection problems as well as couple of mysterious conk-outs.
Of course the BMW Elite will quote how few against how many sold, but I would have thought more S10's have been sold over 3 years than BMW's in 3 months, and many of the S10's have now done 1,2 or 3 years work, and many have clocked up 20k,30k or more, considering the new GS has only been available a few months the tale is looking like typical BMW...
...Throw a new model together and let their loyal customers beta test it for 5-6 years, then just build another model having learned nothing from the previous issues - other than there are plenty of idiots waiting to buy the next one regardless of how good or bad the last one was.
I am so glad I did not buy a GS
Lessons learned during my twenty two year Marine Corps career taught me not to buy regional only supported/warranted products while living the transient life. Automotive consumables such as tires and batteries purchased in local Hawaiian business were not backed in New York. This led me to buy this type item at Wall Marts. Not living in any geographical region more than three years amplified the problems associated with owning any vehicle or vehicle support items that did not have both a local and national support network. Last year when I decided to upgrade my 2009 KLR650, two up concerns, I was looking at the GS 1200. I was ready to drive the miles to the nearest BMW dealership when a friend educated me to the Super Tenere. It was a pretty easy choice to make with Mr. Google's assistance. My Yamaha dealer is 5 miles from my house. There are two BMW dealers within 100 mile of my house and 27 Yamaha dealers, half an hour to the dealer and back as opposed to half a day, not a hard decision. Ownership cost, the Super Tenere, first 6K (2012/13), has been 85% cheaper for the in shop warranty work than my 1988 Harley Davidson FXR Super Glide, first 7.5K in (1988). The extended warranty price paid on both bike are comparable due only to the twenty five year time difference. I still have all the receipts. I have no idea of what ownership cost would have been had I purchased the BMW but from what I have learned in life I am glad I went with the Tenere. Local support, reliability, and competitive pricing are a reality that needs little justification in my way of thinking.
Yamahauler
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wow..was not aware of the oil pump or front end bolt issue, LOL. I did also hear of one guy's cruise control accelerating while trying to decelerate or something like that. Good god. No thanks )
How have the Tiger Explorers been holding up? I've also seen a few issues but I don't think anything this severe. I had and still have a triumph and they are pretty solid. More maintenance of course but reasonably reliable, imo. Just much more to maintain and require frequent attention to keep running in top condition.
)How have the Tiger Explorers been holding up? I've also seen a few issues but I don't think anything this severe. I had and still have a triumph and they are pretty solid. More maintenance of course but reasonably reliable, imo. Just much more to maintain and require frequent attention to keep running in top condition.
Yamahauler said:wow..was not aware of the oil pump or front end bolt issue, LOL. I did also hear of one guy's cruise control accelerating while trying to decelerate or something like that. Good god. No thanks
How have the Tiger Explorers been holding up? I've also seen a few issues but I don't think anything this severe. I had and still have a triumph and they are pretty solid. More maintenance of course but reasonably reliable, imo. Just much more to maintain and require frequent attention to keep running in top condition.
Just check out ADVrider or any of the Triumph-brand forums...
Bad heads with out of spec tolerances, bad cam chain tensioners, electronic issues with their keys and immobilizer systems antenna, busted side stands, just to name a few I've issues I've heard and read about. Granted, Triumph has acknowledged the problems and taken steps to correct them, replacing cam chain tensioners and complete head assemblies, repeated replacement of the electronic antennas, etc., etc., as well as extended the warranties a year on the bikes affected - and all that's good. But the question is do you want to have to worry about that kind of thing while half-way across the country?
The 800's had the antenna issues, too, so you wonder what's the problem with correcting them. Many of those riders (I know one) got stuck with a bike that would not run away from home. Stopped to eat, shut the bike off, went inside, ate, came back out and *POOF*!!! No power. Nothing. Nada. And no amount of fiddling got it going. Onto a flatbed to the dealers. Days of diagnostic time, more wait for parts, and finally back on the the road. But he's heard of a number of other that have stranded riders the same way, a couple more than once even after parts were replaced. He doesn't trust it away from home now. He's got a Triumph dealer close by, but he's worried, as he should be, that there's not many Triumph dealers around... And he's looking at a Super Tenere despite the fact the weight bothers him.
It's a tough call. I've owned a lot of different brands over the years... Aprilia, ATK, Bultaco, BMW, Can-Am, CZ, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Husqvarna, Kawasaki, KTM, Maico, Penton, Norton, Suzuki, Triumph, Yamaha and maybe even one or two others I can't recall... Some have been good, some not so good. Some have been terrible. Oddly enough, my Aprilia and Ducati's have some of the most reliable bikes I have ever owned, with literally *NO* problems. OTOH, the BMW's and KTM's I have owned have been terrible, technicolor nightmares. Go figure.
Me, I'd love one of the current Triumph air-cooled twins, but the nearest dealer is over 150 miles away. He's a friend, but I just don't know if I wanna' risk it. Funny, I wouldn't think twice about getting an Italian brand - Aprilia, Ducati, or Moto Guzzi - and the nearest dealer for those are 170 to 210 miles away.
As for the Jap bikes... None, other than the first Suzuki I had, ever gave me any real problems, and my '09 Harley XR1200 I bought new in '08 was flawless until the fuel pump locked up just this last weekend.
Guess it just depends on the luck of the draw, but it sure does seem German and British bikes suffer more problems than others.
Dallara
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A mate of mine bought one and is on a forum, they seem pretty decent overall, nothing more than some gripes about finish (and his bike is newer and lower mileage than mine and the finish is a bit iffy in places already) but overall not much going wrong, my fear at launch time was the fact they had never built a shaft drive bike before - although it seems they managed to develop a better shaft in a couple of years than BMW have managed with 50 years experience :Yamahauler said:
Like most bikes the suspension is a little off, screen useless blah, blah, blah, The motor is a peach though (in a sporty / touring kinda way) certainly no need for a Flash