wind screen buffeting

[plugugly]

The thing is, there is no "factory position" for some of this stuff, in the sense that you can look in the manual and find a precise spec for where the handlebars are supposed to be, the angle of the levers, or the rotational orientation of the mirrrors. Some of this stuff is probably just at the whim of whomever did your bike setup. This stuff is supposed to be adjustable to handle ergo issues and to provide some latitude for accessories and mods.

Cut outs are great, but many don't like they way they look and they can reduce protection or create their own buffeting problems. Everything is a tradeoff.

I don't know how severe your interference is, whether it can be solved by reasonable adjustments, etc., so the devil is in the details on this one. My only point was that some fiddling is normal and if you don't allow it, we wouldn't have very many choices in aftermarket windscreens.

- Mark

Can you provide examples of other screen that DON'T work with the factory hand guards? Perhaps I am all wrong, and the aftermarket should be setting the factory standard. I guess instead of them trying to find bikes to test fit their products on, they should just send products to the factory and have them conform.

For someone who "doesn't know how severe your interference is", you seem to be making an effort to to say I don't know, either. I don't get that, but it seems to give you something to do.

 

[JonnyCinco]

group hug! ::020::

 

[jajpko]

group hug! ::020::

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[fredz43]

When the setup person is assembling new bikes, they are supposed to pay attention to indexing marks on the bars and controls. I set mine up that way when I assembled it, but soon found that I preferred the bars back a bit and moved the brake and clutch perches inboard as far as I could after I added bar risers.

 

[markjenn]

Can you provide examples of other screen that DON'T work with the factory hand guards?

If I rotate my clutch/brake perches "flat" and rotate my handlebars somewhat forward, I get fouling on the Yamaha touring screen, either the hand guards, mirrors, or both depending on the adjustment of the mirrors.

If I rotate my clutch/brake perches downward the hand guards foul the tank.

- Mark

 

[markjenn]

When the setup person is assembling new bikes, they are supposed to pay attention to indexing marks on the bars and controls.

Is there an indexing mark on the handlebars for how they sit in the triple perches? I can't find one. The switch housings and throttle housing are indexed by locating pins, but the clutch and brake perches (which affect the hand guard position) have no indexing that I'm aware of. Nor is there any indexing for how the mirror is oriented on the perches.

- Mark

 

[plugugly]

I apologize to the OP for what happened in this thread, and to everyone looking for information on buffeting. My attempts to move the screen conversation have failed. I will not post in this thread about it again.
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[fredz43]

Is there an indexing mark on the handlebars for how they sit in the triple perches? I can't find one. The switch housings and throttle housing are indexed by locating pins, but the clutch and brake perches (which affect the hand guard position) have no indexing that I'm aware of. Nor is there any indexing for how the mirror is oriented on the perches.

- Mark

The indexing marks are small punch marks. On the inboard back side of the handlebar there is a punch mark where it should line up with the horizontal split at the back side of the right handlebar clamp. On the clutch and brake perches the marks are at the rear outboard side of the handlebar and the horizontal seam is to be lined up there. You will also notice that the handlebar clamps each have a small punch mark. That is to indicate which end should be facing forward. I have set up over a hundred Hondas and Yamahas and they all follow that convention. I don't know about other brands.

 

[markjenn]

The indexing marks are small punch marks. On the inboard back side of the handlebar there is a punch mark where it should line up with the horizontal split at the back side of the right handlebar clamp. On the clutch and brake perches the marks are at the rear outboard side of the handlebar and the horizontal seam is to be lined up there. You will also notice that the handlebar clamps each have a small punch mark. That is to indicate which end should be facing forward. I have set up over a hundred Hondas and Yamahas and they all follow that convention. I don't know about other brands.

Thanks. I looked but have never seen these. They must be somewhat subtle or I'm blind.

- Mark

 

[fredz43]

They are very small punch marks, Mark. You made me go out to the garage and confirm where they are. ;D. Even knowing that they are there, it takes a close look to see them. Many bikes have bigger punch marks for alignment, but some like our S10's are pretty small, but they are there. Makes life interesting for the setup person.

 

[markjenn]

I bet few setup mechanics bother with a careful alignment and instead just eyeball it. Good for you on being so meticulous.

- Mark

 

[roy]

FYI the index mark on the bars is on the back side of bar right side clamp. Unlike all my Suzuki's which had the index mark on the bars on the front of bar. The index marks for controls are on top of bar. My bars were not centered from the setup is the reason I could not initially find my index mark and me not used to looking for it on the back of the bar. All is good now though.

BOT still not much buffeting to concern me even with the yamaha touring screen in the low position.

 

[Motowalt]

Haven't seen anyone mention this, but could the large mirrors and/or Yamaha handguards be contributing to helmet buffeting?

 

[duranged2001]

I am also dealing with some buffetting. I have the seat in the low position and the stock windscreen in the high position. I am buffetted pretty good above about 50 mph. I'm 5'10" with about a 32" inseam.

I also get a lot of buffetting if i have my face shield open. I would really like to try the Yamaha tall screen before I go aftermarket. I am also wanting to try the side wind protectors as well.

I have always ridden in the wind. I really like the break from the wind that a screen offers, but I have gotten a headache from the buffetting on longer rides.

 

[terryth]

I have a Yamaha tall screen that I'd sell. My experience is that the stock screen was pretty much designed solely for looks and the tall screen was designed more for function and certainly works better than the stock one. I am using a Givi airflow.
Terry

I am also dealing with some buffetting. I have the seat in the low position and the stock windscreen in the high position. I am buffetted pretty good above about 50 mph. I'm 5'10" with about a 32" inseam.

I also get a lot of buffetting if i have my face shield open. I would really like to try the Yamaha tall screen before I go aftermarket. I am also wanting to try the side wind protectors as well.

I have always ridden in the wind. I really like the break from the wind that a screen offers, but I have gotten a headache from the buffetting on longer rides.

 

[duranged2001]

I have a Yamaha tall screen that I'd sell. My experience is that the stock screen was pretty much designed solely for looks and the tall screen was designed more for function and certainly works better than the stock one. I am using a Givi airflow.
Terry

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[AVGeek]

Plug, I think the concern over the ergonomic adjustments on this bike are relevant, since there are so many variables to curing the screen buffeting that seems to be a fairly common issue (I too, am feeling it from the stock screen). I have also previously used Cee Bailey shields, and would look to them as a potential supplier.

 

[Reg IT]

Call off the search, I would say. The GIVI Airflow is the answer. I have mine mounted on the TT adjuster to get it as low as possible, but it works on the standard brackets - just perfect. In summer you can remove the spoiler and have a street look and in cold air or touring, clip the spoiler on.
I am 6'-0", 34" inseam. See over the top with about 6" to spare and regularly cruise at 180 KPH visor up.

I did 2Ks this summer in Corsica with my wife as passenger, we use Nolan open face with N-Com intercom - crystal clear up to 100 KPH, 120 need to shout a bit but then it is the engine disturbing, no the wind.

It looks goofy to start, but I like it now, it looks special.

I posted this before somewhere but I am guessing by all the screen threads searching for the perfect blast that the post wasn't seen.

 

[TRUBRIT]

I will add my experience to the mix. I am 5' 8", 30" inseam. Low Low seat, the small stock windshield, Nolan Trilogy Helmet. The screen is set in the high position I guess, from the Dealer. I have almost 600 miles on it now and I am not experiencing any buffeting. I feel a little bit of wind or breeze, but nothing to cause me discomfort or pressure on arms or chest. I came off a Harley Streetglide with lowered seat and Klockwerks windshield. On that, at 75 it was uncomfortable and my Nolan was moving so much it used to mess with my vision. The Ten has none of this. I am running at 4K revs and nothing. I am in South Florida running Intertstates N, S, E and West. Was out Sunday in gusting winds, cross winds, and still flying along. Frankly I am amazed as I expected the higher riding position and the forward location of the windscreen that I would be worse off than the Harley. So what gives? Before I bought the Bike I was reading the posts and was expecting to have to add a taller screen to my accessorie list. Very glad I have not had to. I do need to test it in a good Florida downpour though.

 

[Tremor38]

I will add my experience to the mix. I am 5' 8", 30" inseam. Low Low seat, the small stock windshield, Nolan Trilogy Helmet. The screen is set in the high position I guess, from the Dealer. I have almost 600 miles on it now and I am not experiencing any buffeting. I feel a little bit of wind or breeze, but nothing to cause me discomfort or pressure on arms or chest. I came off a Harley Streetglide with lowered seat and Klockwerks windshield. On that, at 75 it was uncomfortable and my Nolan was moving so much it used to mess with my vision. The Ten has none of this. I am running at 4K revs and nothing. I am in South Florida running Intertstates N, S, E and West. Was out Sunday in gusting winds, cross winds, and still flying along. Frankly I am amazed as I expected the higher riding position and the forward location of the windscreen that I would be worse off than the Harley. So what gives? Before I bought the Bike I was reading the posts and was expecting to have to add a taller screen to my accessorie list. Very glad I have not had to. I do need to test it in a good Florida downpour though.

I have the same height and inseam and have the same results. I have the stock seat height set in the low position. For the most part, People who are taller than us seem to be the ones who have issues with the stock screen.