wind screen buffeting

[bloke]

What do you plan on doing about the seat? It does look like a hump in the seat where you would sit.
Hope it works out for you.

i posted a thread asking others with a russell what they thought, apparently nobody else has a russell on a super ten lol

i will probably send it back and try to get it lowered a lot!

 

[jajpko]

i posted a thread asking others with a russell what they thought, apparently nobody else has a russell on a super ten lol

i will probably send it back and try to get it lowered a lot!

I don't think I will spell this correctly but, motocephalic (Clem), got one on his.. He seems to like it. Maybe you could PM him.

It is spelled right..lol

 

[plugugly]

I ordered a Low Parabellum yesterday, and they called today to question my order. I beleived I had read on this board about someone 6'1" with a 33 inch inseam liking the 20" para. I'm 6'2", 34 inch inseam, and hate gigantic barn-door windscreens, so I thought that 20" wouldn't be so bad.

When they called, they said they didn't even think they had sold a 20" EVER, and basically kept shoving the 24" on me, saying they'd cut it down if I didn't like it. That's great, I can send it back to be cut, but what if I screw up guessing where to mark it? Are they going to add an inch back to it?

They didn't seem interested in my idea of sending me a medium and letting me trade it for a tall if it didn't work. If this thing shows up and is obscenely large watch the classifieds for it.

 

[motocephalic]

i posted a thread asking others with a russell what they thought, apparently nobody else has a russell on a super ten lol

i will probably send it back and try to get it lowered a lot!

I am sure they can lower it for you, but you won't have the same kind of day long saddle. Mine is very tall, but that really does not matter much to me. I care about solid comfort.

 

[tubebender]

I ordered a 20" Parabellum and they questioned me too. I'm 5' 11" with a 32" inseam. We settled on a 22" , same deal, they'd cut it down if I didn't like it.
I was concerned about looking over it. Received it 2 days before a 2000 mile trip.
A buddy told me I wouldn't notice it after 30 miles. He was right.
It reduced the buffeting considerably but not completely. Well, I wish I had gotten the 24". 2" higher would not cause me any concern now and I figure it would eliminate the last bit of buffeting at the top of my helmet.

The edge finish is great and the tint looks sharp on my Blue bike!
Some pictures are in my recent ride report.

Another thing I've noticed is the screen will direct more air onto your wrists and forearms because it's obviously pushing more air out of the way.

 

[mykrysys]

Went with Givi screen, added spacers to increase windscreen angle which was a 100% improvement over stock screen.

added the wings yesterday. 40 deg and raining today, will get a ride in Friday to see improvement.

 

[bloke]

I was concerned about looking over it. Received it 2 days before a 2000 mile trip.
A buddy told me I wouldn't notice it after 30 miles. He was right.
It reduced the buffeting considerably but not completely. Well, I wish I had gotten the 24". 2" higher would not cause me any concern now and I figure it would eliminate the last bit of buffeting at the top of my helmet.

the parabellum guys know their stuff Ive been dealing with them for about 8 years now and sometimes i question Charley's advice but in the end i always end up telling myself i should have known better!

 

[bloke]

I am sure they can lower it for you, but you won't have the same kind of day long saddle. Mine is very tall, but that really does not matter much to me. I care about solid comfort.

cheers, i think im just struggling with the height more than anything else!

 

[plugugly]

They didn't seem interested in my idea of sending me a medium and letting me trade it for a tall if it didn't work. If this thing shows up and is obscenely large watch the classifieds for it.

It showed up yesterday, it's exactly what I did not want. It's a huge slightly rounded barndoor. Plus, the holes did not line up, it took force to mount it and the wellnuts are visibly flexed holding it in place. The icing on the cake was it hits the handguards before I can get to full lock. That would be really great for turning a minor drop into a need for a new $213 windshield. While it does block enough wind to allow my face shield to stay one click open, it's not any quieter than the stock shield in the top position, IMHO.

I called them, told them I didn't like the fit or handguard issue, and wanted to return it. No problem, they said, but I get to pay for the shipping. ::007:: ::007::

Lesson learned, I'll wait for Cee Bailey to make a shield, or investigate something else. I'll pay to ship this back and never deal with them again.

 

[colorider]

It showed up yesterday, it's exactly what I did not want. It's a huge slightly rounded barndoor. Plus, the holes did not line up, it took force to mount it and the wellnuts are visibly flexed holding it in place. The icing on the cake was it hits the handguards before I can get to full lock. That would be really great for turning a minor drop into a need for a new $213 windshield. While it does block enough wind to allow my face shield to stay one click open, it's not any quieter than the stock shield in the top position, IMHO.

I called them, told them I didn't like the fit or handguard issue, and wanted to return it. No problem, they said, but I get to pay for the shipping. ::007:: ::007::

Well, that sux! Just the fact the holes did not line up is reason enough for them to take it back at their cost for return, iMHO.

 

[plugugly]

I read another review that mentioned these issues, but I thought they would be minor. I figured when the poster said he had to flex the screen to get it to mount, it was because the tolerances were tighter than stock, not that the holes were off. I also thought the hand guard touching was just touching, not holding the bars from touching the stop by 1/8th inch.

 

[Kevhunts]

I read another review that mentioned these issues, but I thought they would be minor. I figured when the poster said he had to flex the screen to get it to mount, it was because the tolerances were tighter than stock, not that the holes were off. I also thought the hand guard touching was just touching, not holding the bars from touching the stop by 1/8th inch.

Just for clarity, are your issues with the Givi or Parabellum screen? (Never mind, I didn't scroll back far enough)

I thought the Parabellum was getting rave reviews?

 

[jajpko]

It showed up yesterday, it's exactly what I did not want. It's a huge slightly rounded barndoor. Plus, the holes did not line up, it took force to mount it and the wellnuts are visibly flexed holding it in place. The icing on the cake was it hits the handguards before I can get to full lock. That would be really great for turning a minor drop into a need for a new $213 windshield. While it does block enough wind to allow my face shield to stay one click open, it's not any quieter than the stock shield in the top position, IMHO.

I called them, told them I didn't like the fit or handguard issue, and wanted to return it. No problem, they said, but I get to pay for the shipping. ::007:: ::007::

Lesson learned, I'll wait for Cee Bailey to make a shield, or investigate something else. I'll pay to ship this back and never deal with them again.

It is a shame you don't like the shield. I had mine and really liked the workmanship and it did what it was supposed to do.

Having to pay return shipping is normal. Not many, if any, will pay for the return if you don't like the product. Be glad they are not charging a restock fee.. lol

 

[plugugly]

It is a shame you don't like the shield. I had mine and really liked the workmanship and it did what it was supposed to do.

Having to pay return shipping is normal. Not many, if any, will pay for the return if you don't like the product. Be glad they are not charging a restock fee.. lol

I have yet to see what I getting refunded, but I asked if I had to pay shipping both ways and he said yes. I know there are worse scenarios out there, but there are also vendors who would give you their return shipping code and a full refund if you weren't satisfied. The issues I have have nothing to do with the finish on the shield, it simply does not fit as well the stock shield, and the width not allowing full lock is unacceptable to me.

Just for clarity, are your issues with the Givi or Parabellum screen? (Never mind, I didn't scroll back far enough)

I thought the Parabellum was getting rave reviews?

I'm going to post my experience over in the Calsci Vs Parabellum screen thread so not to muck up this one when the topic is not solely screens.(http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2167)

 

[markjenn]

I have yet to see what I getting refunded, but I asked if I had to pay shipping both ways and he said yes. I know there are worse scenarios out there, but there are also vendors who would give you their return shipping code and a full refund if you weren't satisfied. The issues I have have nothing to do with the finish on the shield, it simply does not fit as well the stock shield, and the width not allowing full lock is unacceptable to me.

It's asking a lot for a vendor to have a complete "try something at no risk and return for any reason - we'll pay shipping both ways" policy, especially on something that will be evaluated as subjectively as a windscreen and where shipping costs are a fairly high percentage of the total cost. A few returns with this policy and you have to sell literally hundreds of non-returned products to simply break even. I, as s customer, don't want to pay a higher cost of goods for such a policy and don't expect such a policy.

In the end, the vendor is a business who can set their return policies as they see fit. These return policies are usually published and in full view to the customer prior to ordering., If the return policy isn't satisfactory to you, then don't order to begin with. Don't carp about it later.

BTW, almost any windscreen on a bike like the S10 will require some fiddling with the handguard, perches, and handlebar position to avoid hitting the screen at full lock. When you get a bigger windscreen, these problems are aggravated - nature of the beast. Some fiddling will usually find a compromise that works. Heck, it's quite possible to foul the tank on the stock bike with the handguards if you adjust the levers down a bit.

- Mark

 

[plugugly]

It's asking a lot for a vendor to have a complete "try something at no risk and return for any reason - we'll pay shipping both ways" policy, especially on something that will be evaluated as subjectively as a windscreen and where shipping costs are a fairly high percentage of the total cost. A few returns with this policy and you have to sell literally hundreds of non-returned products to simply break even. I, as s customer, don't want to pay a higher cost of goods for such a policy and don't expect such a policy.

In the end, the vendor is a business who can set their return policies as they see fit. These return policies are usually published and in full view to the customer prior to ordering., If the return policy isn't satisfactory to you, then don't order to begin with. Don't carp about it later.

BTW, almost any windscreen on a bike like the S10 will require some fiddling with the handguard, perches, and handlebar position to avoid hitting the screen at full lock. When you get a bigger windscreen, these problems are aggravated - nature of the beast. Some fiddling will usually find a compromise that works. Heck, it's quite possible to foul the tank on the stock bike with the handguards if you adjust the levers down a bit.

- Mark

Try looking around Parabellum's website before you carp at me about not reading their return policy. I'm posting my experience here, I stated the facts of what transpired, while fully stating I was aware of different policies out there. If you have a problem with me giving that review I suggest you either prove my facts wrong, or go adjust your bike's components until they interfere with normal operation.

 

[terryth]

Just get a Givi Airflow if you are going to spring 200$ plus for a screen. It just flat out works even if it looks more than a little odd. I can hear my xm at 90 just as well as at 60 in my helmet speakers. It's very adjustable in height, even while riding, to get the just perfect setting for your height to minimize noise and buffeting. The top part is easily removed for off road or when you want more air and leaves clean buffet free air at your helmet without the top.The fit and finish are good. Pics and my review are in this thread.

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=1675.msg36513#msg36513

I bought mine here
http://www.adventuremotorcycleparts.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=amp&Product_Code=GVAF447&Category_Code=motorcycle-windshields

 

[markjenn]

Try looking around Parabellum's website before you carp at me about not reading their return policy. I'm posting my experience here, I stated the facts of what transpired, while fully stating I was aware of different policies out there. If you have a problem with me giving that review I suggest you either prove my facts wrong, or go adjust your bike's components until they interfere with normal operation.

Fair enough about not looking on their website for a return policy. I can't find it. This is a serious oversight for a mail-order company and strengthens your position.

I never had the slightest issue you "giving that review", so let's be reasonable here. My only criticism was that you expected them to cover the shipping charges for the return and your point that they don't explicitly say what their policy is is well-taken. And that it is normal/expected to have to do some adjustment of controls, bars, mirrors, etc. when you fit a bigger/wider screen. To expect otherwise is not realistic.

- Mark

 

[plugugly]

Fair enough about not looking on their website for a return policy. I can't find it. This is a serious oversight for a mail-order company and strengthens your position.

I never had the slightest issue you "giving that review", so let's be reasonable here. My only criticism was that you expected them to cover the shipping charges for the return and your point that they don't explicitly say what their policy is is well-taken. And that it is normal/expected to have to do some adjustment of controls, bars, mirrors, etc. when you fit a bigger/wider screen. To expect otherwise is not realistic.

- Mark

I apologize if I came across too harshly. I fully believe everyone should be a skeptic when it comes to the internet. I do disagree that to fit an aftermarket windscreen, you should have to adjust anything in the correct factory position. Especially when that isn't stated.

You may see it otherwise, but to me the screen would fit and function in no discernible way different if it were 1 inch narrower where it strikes the hand guards in their factory position. To suggest every Tenere should be adjusted to fit the screen manufacturer's standard seems a bit backwards.

I had a large Cee Bailey screen on a KLR with AFTERMARKET hand guards on it, and they had the foresight to make the cut outs large enough they fit. Go figure.

And as I posted already, I'm not trying to muck up this thread with screen talk. I moved my review to the appropriate thread. Feel free to move the pile on over there. My back squat could always use work.

 

[markjenn]

I do disagree that to fit an aftermarket windscreen, you should have to adjust anything in the correct factory position. Especially when that isn't stated.

You may see it otherwise, but to me the screen would fit and function in no discernible way different if it were 1 inch narrower where it strikes the hand guards in their factory position. To suggest every Tenere should be adjusted to fit the screen manufacturer's standard seems a bit backwards.

The thing is, there is no "factory position" for some of this stuff, in the sense that you can look in the manual and find a precise spec for where the handlebars are supposed to be, the angle of the levers, or the rotational orientation of the mirrrors. Some of this stuff is probably just at the whim of whomever did your bike setup. This stuff is supposed to be adjustable to handle ergo issues and to provide some latitude for accessories and mods.

Cut outs are great, but many don't like they way they look and they can reduce protection or create their own buffeting problems. Everything is a tradeoff.

I don't know how severe your interference is, whether it can be solved by reasonable adjustments, etc., so the devil is in the details on this one. My only point was that some fiddling is normal and if you don't allow it, we wouldn't have very many choices in aftermarket windscreens.

- Mark