Will you take the vaccine

[Mak10]

Some may think I’m anti-vax. This is not true, I’m not anti vaccine at all.

when you start talking mandatory for the “greater good” is when I hold on a minute. Taking another’s choice and god given rights and freedom is not what I believe.

If you think you are going to mandate common sense, well good luck with that.

Mandating masks will not/doesn’t work. The people you have to mandate don’t wear masks properly and negate any protection when they do wear them. How many people use a new mask, every time they take the old one off? Do they wash their hands every time they touch a used mask? Do you? I’m going to guess no. If used properly a mask MIGHT help. But to say IF “people would have worn a mask, we wouldn’t be where we are today”. Is a speculative stretch.

And I have no problem wearing a mask. I wear a mask anytime I go out around other people.

It’s a shame we have to have mandates and laws. I hate that we have become so reliant on authority to enforce what should be common sense. Do we really NEED a helmet law? How about a no riding a motorcycle wearing flip flops law?

My point being, where do you stop? Is it ok to confine people in their house by welding the door shut? Population control by mandatory sterilization? And if you think that can’t happen in the good ole USA think again. All for the greater good. Right? Japanese internment camps come to mind. But it’s ok because it was for the greater good of the population. Justify taking someone else’s god given rights away to quell your fears.

And you are blindly going to trust a vaccine that has been rushed and not vetted? And big pharma has your best interests at heart. RIGHT? Maybe that’s what they sold us with the opioid push.
If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale, I might trade it for some ground in Florida.
It’s going to be awhile before I’ll get a rushed vaccine. But test away.

 

[Mak10]

Maybe we need a law mandating knobby tires if one leaves the pavement. Cause some have so much common sense they “can just look at a tire” and know how it works on and off road.

 

[EricV]

I'd love to have less laws and more common sense. Somewhere in there is a middle ground. But you can't honestly look at the history of the USA and not realize that we have so many laws because, yes, people actually did that stupid crap, so someone had to pass a law. Read the warnings on products. "Don't insert inside body" on a kitchen blender... No doubt in my mind that someone sued them because there wasn't a warning not to do that. Never mind all the puritanical/blue laws, especially in the East.

We love to watch the train wrecks in life. Stunters come to mind. At a bike show there are crowds watching some well paid pro doing it. Then that percentage of the audience goes out that night and tries to emulate that and crashes, or worse, crashes into someone else and is doing it on the street, not in a closed off environment. "But it looked so cool" they said. Wrong, it looked stupid and Mr Paid Pro isn't riding his bike that he's been trashing doing it either.

We need a whole lot more pointing and laughing at the asshats of the world than people gushing how "cool" it looks.

 

[WJBertrand]

It’s much more likely that private organizations will mandate vaccines. For example Ticketmaster is already implementing such a system, or you cannot attend one of their events. Many private work places will mandate them before you can return to the office or factory. I doubt the government at state or federal levels will have to go there. Not getting a vaccine is a little like demanding a right to smoke wherever you are. It’s not all about YOU, your “rights” end where others are affected. Some of the hyperbole and tangent arguments against this would be hilarious if it weren’t tragic.


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[gunslinger_006]

Your private health insurance company is 100% going to require this. Guaranteed.

They are not going to cover you for covid if you refuse a vaccine just like your car insurance doesnt have to cover your injuries if you drive drunk and crash. Both were your choice.


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[WJBertrand]

Your private health insurance company is 100% going to require this. Guaranteed.

They are not going to cover you for covid if you refuse a vaccine just like your car insurance doesnt have to cover your injuries if you drive drunk and crash. Both were your choice.


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Yup, freedom of choice but not without consequences.


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[Sierra1]

. . . . when you start talking mandatory for the “greater good” is when I hold on a minute. Taking another’s choice and god given rights and freedom is not what I believe. . . . It’s a shame we have to have mandates and laws. I hate that we have become so reliant on authority to enforce what should be common sense.

I have a very good friend that declares himself as a Libertarian. We have had tons of debates about exactly that. I am all for less laws and government; people should know what's right and wrong. But, then there's the people that refuse to do what's right. That's where the laws come in. . . . but where does it stop? What's a just law, and what's governmental over reach?

. . . . your “rights” end where others are affected. Some of the hyperbole and tangent arguments against this would be hilarious if it weren’t tragic.

That's how I try to live my life. Do what I want, when & where I want, and how I want to do it. . . . unless it interferes with somebody else's rights. My rights don't supersede your rights . . . . but, your don't supersede mine either. . . . and, that's what a lot of people seem to forget.

 

[gunslinger_006]

That is the point.

This isnt like wearing a helmet, or smoking a cigarette.

If you get this, you will almost certainly pass it to one other person.

That is why this is different.


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[bigbob]

Once the vaccine is available we’ll be witness to a live demonstration of Darwinism...

I agree, but which side? Getting it or NEVER?

 

[MattR]

70 million people in the UK with each vaccine costing over £200, of course it should be mandated so the elite get more money, after all making sure we are safe from a nasty virus that can kill you if you're in the unlucky 1%.

1. The Oxford vax is 5 times cheaper and is just around the corner
2. Just about everything you buy makes the elite richer
3. The Uk rejected the Jeremy Corbyn idea of taking from the rich to give to the poor.
4. The longer this virus is allowed to flourish the higher that % will become


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[RIVA]

That is the point.

This isnt like wearing a helmet, or smoking a cigarette.

If you get this, you will almost certainly pass it to one other person.

That is why this is different.


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And when/if you pass it on, you will pass it on to someone who has exercised their right not to be vaccinated against covid. So where is the problem.

 

[MattR]

I have a very good friend that declares himself as a Libertarian. We have had tons of debates about exactly that. I am all for less laws and government; people should know what's right and wrong. But, then there's the people that refuse to do what's right. That's where the laws come in. . . . but where does it stop? What's a just law, and what's governmental over reach?



That's how I try to live my life. Do what I want, when & where I want, and how I want to do it. . . . unless it interferes with somebody else's rights. My rights don't supersede your rights . . . . but, your don't supersede mine either. . . . and, that's what a lot of people seem to forget.

People are stupid though. Didn’t Winnebago have to put a page in their manuals saying you shouldn’t activate cruise control and then get in the back? Here in the UK, half the population voted to leave the biggest trading block on the planet so we could get a less favourable deal with Japan and the commonwealth countries, many of whom are very poor and still hate us because of what we did to them in the imperial days!


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[tallpaul]

1. The Oxford vax is 5 times cheaper and is just around the corner

Let's hope the various countries don't start rejecting or accepting visitors based exactly which version of vaccine they took, the same may also go for those without a NHS too. This shit show has the potential to run and run...

 

[Tenman]

Let's hope the various countries don't start rejecting or accepting visitors based exactly which version of vaccine they took, the same may also go for those without a NHS too. This shit show has the potential to run and run...

Why would it matter which vaccine you took if you are testing negative?

 

[tallpaul]

If I don't take a vaccine and test negative then what is the problem? People are speculating that a person's ability to travel or get private medical cover will be based on having taken a vaccine. Next will come the peeing contest of our vaccine is better than yours and yours doesn't work as well etc. Then you have the potential that some countries will only accept people who have had the Pfizer vaccine or the (insert your vaccine of choice here) jab.

 

[Tenman]

I would get the shot just for the fact that I could be a carrier.

 

[tallpaul]

All the people that recovered from covid now have antibodies without a vaccine and should not be a carrier as their bodies recognised the threat and it did its thing. Thinking that a created vaccine is the only thing that will save you and not having it is tantamount to suicide is not very realistic or scientific. It's amazing the human race has made it this far. If a vaccine for covid gives you peace of mind then I'm happy for anyone who wants to take it. As I say, I'm not antivax. 12 years ago I took twinrix before a trip to India. I can now glide serenely through life knowing hepatitis A and B won't get me for a while longer but it was tried and tested, so was happy to have it.

 

[AVGeek]

Another thing to keep in mind is that these vaccines did not start from scratch. We do know a lot about coronaviruses even though this one is a novel strain. We are also able to sequence genomes much more quickly, leading to a larger library of information to draw upon. So while there is still much we do not know about the novel virus, as well as the vaccines, the fact that we are seeing efficacy percentages in the 90% range (compared to 50-60% for the flu shot) suggests to me that these vaccines are highly targeted at this specific pathogen, and will protect a large majority of the population, at least those who do take the vaccine. Comparisons to earlier mistakes (like Thalidomide) can serve as a cautionary tale, but I do believe that the advancements in genetics and modeling have given us a greater safety margin.

As a side note, I have worked a large number of pharmaceutical meetings in my 27 year AV career, so I have heard a lot about different medications straight from the horse's mouth, as it were.

 

[EricV]

1. The Oxford vax is 5 times cheaper and is just around the corner

And doesn't require extreme cold refrigeration to avoid degradation. But more than likely, the US won't see any doses of that vaccine since other countries are pre-purchasing massive quantities. The US will get stuck with the hugely more expensive, harder to transport and store versions and the Insurance companies may or may not pay for it, but the vaccine producers will make huge profits. Seems like it would have made a lot more sense to focus on the Oxford version, but this is a for profit business.

I also wonder how many local pharmacies will be willing to upgrade their storage systems to handle the required temps and volume of these new vaccines when they get approved?

 

[Mak10]