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ballisticexchris
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Yes, tire weight makes a big difference. Rolling unsprung weight affects suspension, steering, power, braking, mileage and many other aspects of motorcycle performance.
Question is, how much, 2% or 5%, if that? How many of us are that good of a rider to really notice it?Yes, tire weight makes a big difference. Rolling unsprung weight affects suspension, steering, power, braking, mileage and many other aspects of motorcycle performance.
I'm not that good of a rider and it is very noticeable. Power wise on the Super Tenere I would need a dyno to tell. But the shorter braking distance, suspension feedback, and handling in turns is amazing when using a tire/wheel combo that is lighter. My Michelin tires I swapped over to are a lot lighter (at least a few lbs each) than the OEM ones. The heavy feel of the bike in turns is now gone. I can also run a little less rebound damping than before for quicker yet smoother feedback on rough pavement.Question is, how much, 2% or 5%, if that? How many of us are that good of a rider to really notice it?
A lot of what you are talking about has to do with tire design, and rubber compound. Unless you put a tire on that has the same "roundness", tire pressure, and tire pattern, how it turns in can not be compared. You can have a heavier tire that is designed to turn faster, like a street tire, or more of a dirt tire that turns slower due to the more aggressive off-road tread. You could say it is a little slower as to more/less gyroscopic effect due to weight. It is subjective.I'm not that good of a rider and it is very noticeable. Power wise on the Super Tenere I would need a dyno to tell. But the shorter braking distance, suspension feedback, and handling in turns is amazing when using a tire/wheel combo that is lighter. My Michelin tires I swapped over to are a lot lighter (at least a few lbs each) than the OEM ones. The heavy feel of the bike in turns is now gone. I can also run a little less rebound damping than before for quicker yet smoother feedback on rough pavement.
A lot of what you are talking about has to do with tire design, and rubber compound. Unless you put a tire on that has the same "roundness", tire pressure, and tire pattern, how it turns in can not be compared. You can have a heavier tire that is designed to turn faster, like a street tire, or more of a dirt tire that turns slower due to the more aggressive off-road tread. You could say it is a little slower as to more/less gyroscopic effect due to weight. It is subjective.
Stopping is subjected to amount of tire on the ground, and mass (plus a whole bunch of other factors). Two different types of tires of the same weight will have different stopping distances.
Being arguementive, so I'll punt it back to you.
Loved the Pilots on my ST1300.This is what I found as well, the shape has a much more significant impact. Classic from the sportbike world, the Michelin Pilot Power series has a more "steep" curve and would drop in much faster, which some folks liked and other found to make the bike 'twitchy'.
The E07 has a very flat profile and turns in quite slowly IMO.
Unsprung weight is obviously an extremely important component in bike responsiveness and performance, however, tire shape I found more noticeable from a handling perspective.
No argument from me. We all have our opinions on what works and what does not. I do a lot more tire, braking, and suspension testing than the average rider. I can feel right away just a few lbs difference in unsprung weight when going to lighter sprockets, tires, tubes, chains, axles etc. It is a lot easier to tell the difference on a lighter bike than the Super Tenere.A lot of what you are talking about has to do with tire design, and rubber compound. Unless you put a tire on that has the same "roundness", tire pressure, and tire pattern, how it turns in can not be compared. You can have a heavier tire that is designed to turn faster, like a street tire, or more of a dirt tire that turns slower due to the more aggressive off-road tread. You could say it is a little slower as to more/less gyroscopic effect due to weight. It is subjective.
Stopping is subjected to amount of tire on the ground, and mass (plus a whole bunch of other factors). Two different types of tires of the same weight will have different stopping distances.
Being arguementive, so I'll punt it back to you.
Honestly, not often, unless there was leftover tire lube on the outside that ran down to the treadLoved the Pilots on my ST1300.
How many times have you gone from a worn out, squared off tire to a new one, or one brand to another, and in the first corner you are a little aggressive, and you get a small butt squeeze because it went in a lot faster than you thought it would.
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Interesting information. Considering the entire post from the manufacturer, It's good to know why I've had such good results from the Dakar. Very glad to have them back.The difference of 0.57kg (1.2lb) are those added extra plies that make the Dakar versions virtually puncture proof,
Hmm, I agree with Mitas.Interesting facts on the E07 Dakar. So it's a heavy, hard compound, long wearing tire. That is just what the general rider is looking for.
Here in America it's all about how long the tire will last. There are a lot of excited guys to see the return of a long wearing beefy tread. Mitas is going to sell a bunch of the E07 Dakars. I'll be curious to see how popular they are here on the West Coast.Hmm, I agree with Mitas.
This is not what the general rider is looking for in Europe. Here the Mitas E07+ sounds much better.
Actually I have a buddy on a 2019 650 V-strom, that just have fittet the E07+ on both front and rear, and we go "breaking them in" tomorrow (only 2 hours)
And a longer trip saturday
NO, it’s not ALL about how long the tire last. Yeah, there’s some who favor the longevity but, many like me who like the performance. As I’ve said before, I get 5-6k miles on the rear. And, yes they’re popular on the west coast. Go to a Tenere event and see how many people run these. I’ve been to several and this is just a popular tire. Of course I think if you tried one and it was the best tire ever, you’d still post some of your negative “opinion” about the greatest tire ever. Peace brother.Here in America it's all about how long the tire will last. There are a lot of excited guys to see the return of a long wearing beefy tread. Mitas is going to sell a bunch of the E07 Dakars. I'll be curious to see how popular they are here on the West Coast.
Let's face it, guys are not liking the E07+ is because it does not get the mileage that the traditional E07 does. The only reason someone wants the EO7 for the performance aspect is due to the great compromise tire it is. I do not compromise when it comes to tires when I get off the pavement.NO, it’s not ALL about how long the tire last. Yeah, there’s some who favor the longevity but, many like me who like the performance. As I’ve said before, I get 5-6k miles on the rear. And, yes they’re popular on the west coast. Go to a Tenere event and see how many people run these. I’ve been to several and this is just a popular tire. Of course I think if you tried one and it was the best tire ever, you’d still post some of your negative “opinion” about the greatest tire ever. Peace brother.
Let’s be honest Chris, if all you want to do is ride hard core off road, there are much better bikes than a Super Tenere. Why aren’t you on a more dirt worthy bike? Even in the same class the African Twin is a better choice off road. It seems you have already compromised with your choice of bike.Let's face it, guys are not liking the E07+ is because it does not get the mileage that the traditional E07 does. The only reason someone wants the EO7 for the performance aspect is due to the great compromise tire it is. I do not compromise when it comes to tires when I get off the pavement.
I want the very best traction available for the riding I do. I am willing to sacrifice longevity. Going through a mile plus long deep sand wash can mean the difference of good traction keeping the bike upright and having to spend 300 bucks to replace tires when I get home. It's much better than being spit off my bike and pushing the SPOT button for an airlift because I wanted to compromise.
At a general desert adventure bike event in Mojave there were a whole bunch of GS, KTM, Honda, and Yamaha bikes. Only one rider was wearing a set of Mitas E07 tires. I have not seen one before or since that event mounted on any bike. Only here on forums. At Chaparral Motorsports the ones on the shelf were very old and gathering dust. It may very well be a very popular tire for the Super Tenere. I'm not about getting a tire based on popularity.
And from what I have personally seen in the desert no one is using anything other than a traditional open block knobby for hard core off highway travel. I'm not trying to change anyones mind about what tire to choose. I just know based on personal experience what type of tire works for me and many others in the off road world.
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So, your opinion is that tire selection for road riding is irrelevant?<snip>
Almost anyone can manage braking, steering or traction on any kind of tire on the street. Pavement conditions do not change nearly as much as off road.