The new Mitas E07 Adventure tire (tyre)

[KYwoodsrider]

Have you looked at the Motoz Tractionator GPS?
http://motoz.com.au/product/tractionator-gps/
I also liked the original E07 but was not happy with the plus model due to the short life
I just installed the Motoz prior to riding the MABDR a few weeks ago.
After over 700 miles of interstate and 1000 miles of backroads, gravel and a few muddy sections I feel like this is a good (maybe better) replacement.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Have you looked at the Motoz Tractionator GPS?

Some, but there's a number of reports on ADV of that tire having cracking problems. Could be just a anomaly for those guys, but not enough info yet to know for certain.

Will be interested in hearing your experience when you reach the end of your set.

 

[RCinNC]

For what it's worth, I followed the example of some others in here and emailed Mitas about suspending the old E07. There's also a snail mail address for the company in Slovenia, so I think I'll follow up with an actual letter.

 

[bnschroder]

I won't write, but just not buy Mitas for my MABDR trip this Summer. Right now I am thinking of ordering a set of Shinko 705s. I am skipping the Expert sections anyway and I am reading good things about them. And I since I am not going all the way to Alaska, the shorter live span doesn't bother me. What excites me is not battling those Dakkars on my Harbor Freight tire changer. Those beast were a bear to mount.

 

[dell835]

I won't write, but just not buy Mitas for my MABDR trip this Summer. Right now I am thinking of ordering a set of Shinko 705s. I am skipping the Expert sections anyway and I am reading good things about them. And I since I am not going all the way to Alaska, the shorter live span doesn't bother me. What excites me is not battling those Dakkars on my Harbor Freight tire changer. Those beast were a bear to mount.

I put a 705 rear on about a month ago and the front on this morning. I haven’t done anything real adventurous yet but like them so far. I live just off the center section of MABDR and will go play on it this week.

 

[CatBehemoth]

Shinko are not bad (actually pretty good considering price), but I had a puncture in almost each of their tires I had (4 or 5 sets). Maybe it's just me, I dunno.

 

[RCinNC]

I've run Shinko 705s on and off for the past six years or so, on both a V-Strom and a Super Ten, and I really like them. In fact, that's what I put on the Yamaha just a month or so ago when the E07s finally met their maker. The worked fine for me in dirt and gravel, not so spectacular in mud and sand, but for me they've been an all around great tire. The rears usually last me anywhere from 4500-5500 miles, and I've gotten 9000 out of a front.

 

[CatBehemoth]

For mud and sand, 804/805 usually work just fine - at least on WeeStrom.

 

[SilverBullet]

Shinko are not bad (actually pretty good considering price), but I had a puncture in almost each of their tires I had (4 or 5 sets). Maybe it's just me, I dunno.

Not just you, my results as well. And if you don't get stopped fast enough after a flat the beads pop.

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[Dirt_Dad]

What excites me is not battling those Dakkars on my Harbor Freight tire changer. Those beast were a bear to mount.

I'll admit that fact has crossed my mind as well. Although that difficulty also probably contributed to the fact I never once had to plug a Dakar in 5 or 6 sets of tires.

 

[EricV]

I got a response email from Mitas. Here is what they said. I haven't looked at the attached info yet, but will and will try and form a positive response to them about what we like/don't like about the new E07+. Please add any input you have here too, which I will incorporate into my response.

Thank you very much for your e-mail and for sharing your experience. We are sorry to hear that we did not meet your expectations with the newest E-07+. I am sending you here enclosed some information where you can see what were the main goals when developing our E-07+ tire. According to our tests E-07+ should have much better riding characteristics and overall is a better tire with the exception of mileage.

Please let us know what are your thoughts about the riding characteristics with the new E-07+ beside to wearing? We would appreciate your feedback very much. Feel free to let us know if you have any other question or comments.

Thank you and kind regards.

Miodrag
Miodrag Ristić
Sales Manager
Mitas Motorcycle Tires and Tubes

 

[Cycledude]

I don’t have any experience with Eo7 Plus other than reading other folks opinions.
I did run a set of Dakar’s and liked them fine even though they didn’t last as long for me as many other folks report.
Dakar’s seemed like they would be a pretty decent mud tire but the way things happened to work out I never had to ride mine in any mud.

 

[RCinNC]

I did get an email response from Mitas; it was much like the one that EricV received. Since the email did ask for feedback, I responded. This is the response I gave to Mitas:

Miodrag Ristić
Sales Manager
Mitas Motorcycle Tires and Tubes

Sir:

Thank you for your prompt response to my email.

I can appreciate your company’s intent to produce a better tire; innovation is the soul of profitability. Your new design is intended to please the riders of large size adventure style bikes, and my opinion as one of the riders of such a bike is that the new version of the E07 that you’ve produced is not the tire that many of us who valued the old version wanted.

My contention is that, by enhancing the other characteristics of your tire at the expense of its longevity, you’ve produced a tire that is basically like many other adventure oriented tires currently on the market. It’s better than some, and not as good as others. The incredible longevity of the old E07 was a huge factor in my choosing it, and many riders in the adventure bike community feel the same. The longevity was a quality that made your tire stand out from all the other tires in the pack. It’s not that you’ve produced a bad tire; only that you’ve removed the one feature that made so many of us choose it over a TKC80, or a Battlax 41, or a Shinko 705, or any one of the other numerous tires marketed to our segment of motorcyclists.

Many of us in the adventure bike community log many, many miles on our bikes. It’s not unusual for me to put 15,000 miles (24,000 kilometers) on my bike in a year, and I’m by no means exceptional among adventure bike riders. Your tire and the Heidenau K60 Scout were the two giants in the field as far as many long distance riders were concerned. After much research, I chose your E07, and I wasn’t disappointed. It was a phenomenal tire that provided all the necessary road and off pavement manners, plus it could be relied on for a trip across the US and back without stopping for a tire change. Had you not changed its design, I would have continued with your E07 for the forseeable future. By removing that longevity, you’ve removed the E07 as the “go-to” tire for me, and for many others.

Once again, I ask that you reconsider ceasing production of the E07 in the big adventure bike sizes.

I'm well aware that this will have no effect on Mitas' decision, but sometimes you just have to scream at the hurricane.

 

[EricV]

Very nicely written RC. Mine focuses on the same issues. I suggested that there was no need to change the E07+, just return the E07 Dakar sizes to the offering and let the market show what sells. The tread pattern and other changes to the E07+ would seem to be appealing to some riders, but for many of us, not at the cost of mileage. Especially in such a dramatic fashion.

I note that the E07 Dakar is still available in the front size with some vendors. Mitas says that the E07 and E07+ are fully compatible and mixing front to rear is fine. I may try an E07 Dakar front, (old style), with an E07+ Dakar rear and see how that wears. Not going to happen too soon though.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

I agree, nicely written reply. I'll work on mine tonight.

By the way, this is the attachment that came in their reply.

 

[EricV]

Have you looked at the Motoz Tractionator GPS?

Just finished out a rear on the wife's GSA. She liked the MotoZ Tractionator GPS better than the K60, but hasn't run a Mitas E07 Dakar, so can't compare with that. She says the GPS is better in the wet by far than the K60. Her rear tire did crack at the lugs, but never got any worse over the miles. I wrote to MotoZ and they feel the 170 width tire is not appropriate for the GSA's wheel width and suggested I try a 150 width, (the size we run on the S10). Her bike's in the shop for a failed ABS pump right now, so I don't have her tire log, but we got over 10k from it. I believe at least 12k, but will try to post up when we get the bike back, (hopefully later this week).

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Here's what I said to Mitas in my reply:


I appreciate your reply and your interest in customer feedback. My wife and I have both been riding large adventure motorcycles for over 13 years and I am grateful there are companies like Mitas that are trying to improve the product offerings for adventure riders.

We are long distance riders and it is common for us to take a trip that requires us to travel over 2,000 miles before reaching the off road sections of our trip. The long lasting E-07 Dakar was ideal for us. Allowing us to complete a very long trip without needing to plan a tire change. In 2017, with freshly installed E-07 Dakars on our Yamaha Super Teneres, we were able to ride over 5,000 miles to Alaska where we had ample tread remaining to ride The Dalton Highway to the Arctic Circle. In addition, the fact I have never had a flat tire since switching both bikes over to the E-07 Dakar, makes this tire my obvious choice.

I can offer you no information about any weakness in the performance of the new E-07+ tire. With the reduced longevity it does not meet my distance requirements, so I will not have an opportunity to try one.

Unfortunately I am in need of tires before leaving on a long trip next month. For the first time in years I will need to put a Heidenau K60 on the bike.

I do hope you will consider bringing back the E-07 Dakar for riders like me that greatly value the long lasting life of these tires.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

...Her rear tire did crack at the lugs, but never got any worse over the miles.

Would I be safe to guess she's not real heavy handed with the throttle when off pavement? I tend to appreciate having the rear tire moving much faster than the front for much of my dirt time. Not sure a cracking rear lug would like me very much.

 

[EricV]

Would I be safe to guess she's not real heavy handed with the throttle when off pavement? I tend to appreciate having the rear tire moving much faster than the front for much of my dirt time. Not sure a cracking rear lug would like me very much.

You are correct. At 62 she's not the dirt biker she used to be. Especially on the big pig compared to her 200 Hurc she used to do hare scrambles on!

And you're probably also correct, concerning your style. Although, we did some pretty knarly rocky stuff in CO and the cracks didn't change. They aren't as bad as the Shinkos were getting a while back. More stress cracks to the sides, not front/back of the lugs. MotoZ really felt like it was more a feature of the carcass being spread too far apart and flex that way, rather than anything to do with the lugs bonded to the tire or wheel spin. I'll report in if I notice cracking on the 150 she just got put on once we get some miles on it. IN that regard, it may be a non-issue for us on the S10, even with your preferred style of riding dirt.

 

[NewEnglander]

Shinko are not bad (actually pretty good considering price), but I had a puncture in almost each of their tires I had (4 or 5 sets). Maybe it's just me, I dunno.

It’s funny that you mention this. I had Shinko 804/805 on my GSA and had a rear puncture with every set 3 years straight. I did like how well they performed and will probably go back to them after the Ax 41’s are worn out unless they turn out better. If I have an excess of cash I may try the 07’s.