The new Mitas E07 Adventure tire (tyre)

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I have never tried one. I'm 100% sure it's nowhere as good as a big block style tire in loose deep sand and rocks. I have seen 1st hand the ill handling traits of this tire.
I've run 3 shinko 805's before switching to my first E-07 Dakar on the rear (I still run the shinko knob on the front) and have been VERY happy, even off road. Shortly after (like the same damned week!) I got the E-07, there were rumors over on ADVrider that it was being discontinued.....so I snagged a second for my 5 week 2020 alaska trip. I'll probably switch back to the Shinko 804/805 combo if they don't bring the dakar back. Less mileage, but those are at least easy to swap with spoons in a motel room. I DID manage to get over 8000 miles out of a rear running it down to the carcass though....and I'm not easy on the throttle. Maybe I'll try a K60 though just to see how I like it.

Hope they bring it back. I'll write them an email.
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ballisticexchris

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How can one compare a 50/50 tire to a big block tire? Different animals in capability.

I loved the E-07 Dakar. Great long lasting tire that didn't do everything great, but did everything well enough. Want on road performance, get PR4's, want off road performance, get big blocks. Want something in the middle, the E-07 for me was the tire.
Actually the big block is a 50/50 tire. What I'm looking in a tire is something that does everything great from pavement to forest roads to deep sand sections and of course loose rocks. In reality I'm riding close to 95%+ pavement. So far, for my riding skill and ability, the big block does everything great with the exception of tire life. And as I have stated many times, tire life is of no consideration whatsoever. We all have access to Amazon, Revzilla, Rocky Mountain, and thousands of retailers across the country. So even a tire that last only a few thousand miles can be waiting for you during your travels almost anywhere in the world.
 

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Have you ever ran an old e07 Dakar off-road or at all?
I rode from Virginia through to the Top of The World Highway, and once in Chicken, Alaska the skies opened up as we ate breakfast. Turned the road construction in Chicken into a ooey, gooey, sloppy mess. It was really ugly. Even with about 6K miles on the E-07 Dakars, my wife, not an experienced mud rider, still was able to plow right through with no real issue. Oh sure, she hated every second of it, and still remembers it to this day, but the tire was not an issue.
 
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That's very good. I'm not much of a mud rider and I would be terrified on any tire.
 

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I understand the business logic of it; you can't sell as many tires if the tires last for 10,000 miles.
One of my earliest thoughts about Mitas discontinuing this tire was exactly this...they probably werewn't selling that many since they lasted so long. I would imagine the economic model had something to do with its demise...
 

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...they probably werewn't selling that many since they lasted so long. I would imagine the economic model had something to do with its demise...
As a former loyal E-07 Dakar customer who was keeping two bikes outfitted in the tire, I wonder how my new K60 that arrived yesterday fits into their economic model?
 

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One of my earliest thoughts about Mitas discontinuing this tire was exactly this...they probably werewn't selling that many since they lasted so long. I would imagine the economic model had something to do with its demise...
That was more sarcasm than seriousness, AVGeek.

I would put more stock into that economic theory if Mitas had discontinued all the older E07 designs, but they didn't. You can still get the old one in sizes like 148/80-17. I'm fairly confident that this was based on an attempt to improve the tire and correct some perceived deficiencies in the big bike size. I don't know what those deficiencies might have been, and I don't recall reading any reports yet from a rider that used the new one and said it does this or that way better than the old E07, or that it doesn't do something annoying that the old one did. Pretty much all I've read to this point is that it's a decent tire that doesn't have the longevity of its predecessor.

I've got about one or two mid range trips left in my Shinko 705s, one of which is next week, so I'm going to have to decide fairly soon what I'm going to put on the bike.
 

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I'm fairly confident that this was based on an attempt to improve the tire and correct some perceived deficiencies in the big bike size.
That's my take on it as well. What Mitas said to me was essentially that they were attempting to make a tire that cleared mud better, handled the sliding out better on the big bikes and still performed well for aggressive street riding. Problem is, they were willing to give up mileage to do that, and mileage was the feature we bought the tire for, most accepting that it did pretty darn well at the other facets already.
 

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I'm fairly confident that this was based on an attempt to improve the tire and correct some perceived deficiencies in the big bike size.
I've seen an instability referenced over on the V-Strom forum. Don't recall any Tenere owner mentioning instability, but geometries are different from bike to bike.

I did once have a friend spend a day riding Dirt_Moms bike with me. He did great riding twisties all day long, until we jumped on the highway for a short distance. He was a little unnerved by riding at 75MPH on that tire. I grabbed the bike and ran it up to 80MPH. I have no idea what he was feeling, it was completely normal to me. Maybe if you're used to street tires you might notice something.
 

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I'd never heard that instability comment about the E07 until recently, when someone on Stromtroopers mentioned it. I look at a lot of those really subjective opinions with a suspicious eye, for much the same reason you described in your post, Dirt Dad; one person can claim the problem is there, and another person can get on the same exact bike and have no idea what they're talking about. It was the same thing with the Shinko 705s when I first started using them about six years ago. I'd see reviews on line that said they were poor performers in the rain (with the usual internet hyperbole of "these are death traps, Shinko should be sued!!"). I've been on those tires from Maine to Missouri in every kind of weather, and all I could ever say about those poor performance comments was "what on earth are you talking about?". I felt the same when I heard that instability comment about the E07s. If they're unstable, they're unstable on some type of road surface that I've never been on, and I've ridden on pretty much every road surface our country has to offer. Maybe I'm not discerning enough, or maybe some riders have a "Princess and the Pea" complex about tires.

Every time I've changed tire brands, they've felt weird until I get used to the way they handle all types of road surfaces. Even after years of riding 705s, they felt weird after I switched back to them after almost 10,000 miles on the E07s.
 

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I'm not an off-road rider, and never will be. Gravel and fire roads are the extent of my voyages off the asphalt. If I was an off road rider I wouldn't be doing it on a 600 plus pound bike, and if I was willing to do it on a 600 pound plus bike, I definitely wouldn't be doing it on an E07. If a rider is really oriented towards the dirt and off roading, then the reason why someone would choose a tire that's designed to supposedly spend half its life on pavement eludes me. If your life is spent on two wheels on dirt, then I'd think that one look at the E07 would be enough to say "no thanks, this isn't the tire for me". If you're really into off-roading on a supertanker of a motorcycle, then I'd think you'd choose the knobbiest, big block-iest, knarliest tire you could so you could get the most traction possible when that bike is sinking into the mud, and you'd just put up with the annoying road manners and lessened performance on the road. Even if Mitas' intention was to redesign the tire to clear mud better, or to handle sliding out better, then it still sounds like trying to put a tuxedo on a pig. I've never off-roaded on an E07, old or new, but someone who has can chime in and answer: have the changes made by Mitas between the old and new E07 really made that much difference to someone who is using that tire off road? As far as visually, the biggest change seems to be that they've removed the center rib of the tire, which is probably what compromised the mileage. For an off-roader, would that change alone really be that significant on a big heavy bike trying to plow through the mud, or sand?
 

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I want a new tire, one that won't make it slick
One that won't make me crash my bike
Or make my handling feel feet, feet, feet thick
I want a new tire, one that wears like steel
One that won't drone too loud
Or howl like it’s sick
One that won't make me nervous
Wonderin' when it’s done
One that makes me feel like I feel when I'm riding in the sun
When I'm riding in the Sun

I want a new tire, one that won't make me spill
One that don't cost too much
One that’ll make it up a muddy hill
I want a new tire, one that won't go away
One that has traction, mud, sand and clay
One that won't make me afraid to ride in the rain
One that won't make me nervous
Wonderin' when it’s done
One that makes me feel like I feel when I'm riding in the Sun
I'm riding in the sun
In the sun with you, having all this fun

I want a new tire one that does what it should
One that won't make me feel too bad
One that won't make me feel too good
I want a new tire, one with no flats
One that won't make me spin too much
Or make my front wheel wash out
One that won't make me nervous
Wonderin' when it’s done
One that makes me feel like I feel when I'm riding in the sun
I'm riding in the sun with you having all this fun
I'm in the sun with you, yeah, yeah
 

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Mak10, I want to like that a hundred times. Are those your lyrics?
Sung to Huey Lewis, I want a new drug. Nice job Mak10. :cool:
 

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Yeah, Huey Lewis. No pefect tire out there. We ask a lot with a dual sport.
 

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I have never tried one. I'm 100% sure it's nowhere as good as a big block style tire in loose deep sand and rocks. I have seen 1st hand the ill handling traits of this tire.
I'm not looking to start a pissing match here but, you're speaking from no personal experience and misinforming others. I've ridden both and the mitas is every bit as good as the new Bridgestone knobbies I'm currently riding with the mitas having the edge on the road, longevity will not be close from what I'm seeing with the wear on the knobbies. In my opinion, what you may have seen could be the riders fault they struggle in certain types of terrain. I'm just a podunk rider myself but, find the mitas to be very inspiring in various terrains...road, dirt, rocks, even sand which the Tenere is to damn heavy for anyway. If you ever make it to northern CA, I'd like to take you riding. There was just a gathering with one guy coming all the way from Lancaster.
 
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ballisticexchris

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I'm not looking to start a pissing match here but, you're speaking from no personal experience and misinforming others. I've ridden both and the mitas is every bit as good as the new Bridgestone knobbies I'm currently riding with the mitas having the edge on the road, longevity will not be close from what I'm seeing with the wear on the knobbies. In my opinion, what you may have seen could be the riders fault they struggle in certain types of terrain. I'm just a podunk rider myself but, find the mitas to be very inspiring in various terrains...road, dirt, rocks, even sand which the Tenere is to damn heavy for anyway. If you ever make it to northern CA, I'd like to take you riding. There was just a gathering with one guy coming all the way from Lancaster.
No offense taken at all. The guy I rode with was a very good rider. All of us had big block knobby tires except him. His Africa Twin was like a snake in the sand. He regretted using the EO7 as soon as he hit the sand. At some point I might end up with a EO7. Chevron style tires are just not my thing.
 

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I need to be ordering new tires soon, running E07 Dakars now. Has anyone here actually tried the E07+? I would be curious how much less mileage you get in reality? I'm getting just over 8kmi on the old model before they are significantly squared and not quite to the wear bars. (Do you run them all the way to wear bars?)

The K60 is $194 compared to $167 for the 07+ (Twisted Throttle). So far I haven't done any long mileage trips, but I do ride some fairly challenging trails in Arizona that would probably benefit from the 07+ design objectives.

Side note: I've got 16kmi on the front, but with cupping. Probably need to run higher pressure than my nominal 32 psi (cold).

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