The new Mitas E07 Adventure tire (tyre)

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Good letters by RCinNC and Dirt_Dad

I also have not tried the E-07+ but based on what others have experienced with the mileage, I don't think I will be getting one.

A bit of tire history for comparison.
Metzler Tourance - I was using the Tourance when commuting with my VStrom 650, getting 14K miles on the rear regularly.
So I started out using these on the Tenere but I was only getting about 9K miles on the Tenere and my last set was getting a bad wobble at about 2500 miles. So time to find a different tire that got better mileage.

Heidenau K60 - I started using the Heidenau K60 tires.
Front tires - Getting over 20K miles on the front. (1st tire - 22K miles, 2nd tire - 20K miles, now on my 3rd tire.​
Rear tires - I went through two rear tires.​
1) Got a nail at 11K miles, Replaced tire at 12.5 K miles. Estimate with remaining tread I could have gone to 14K miles​
2) Got a 6" spike at 8K miles, Went another 1K miles with 3 plugs and a slow leak then replaced at 9K miles.​
Estimate with remaining tread I could have gone to 13K miles​
Other than being a nail magnet, I liked the mileage on the K60s, the only thing I really do not like is the howling noise, I think the noise is most noicable around 40 mph or so.​
Mitas E-07 - A lot of people seemed to like these so I thought I would try them.
I put a Dakar version on the rear. (The K60 on the front was still good).​
I really liked the tire but only got to use one before they quit making them. Now I am back to using the K60 for the rear.​
I used this tire on a 11,600 mile trip to Alaska in 2018. I could have made the whole trip if I had started with a new tire as planned, but I started with 2,000 miles on the tire and changed it on the way home with 10,949 miles on it. Made it home on a K60.​
The tire had about 11K miles on it and was not completely down to the wear bars yet. I probably could have gone another 1K miles but I got it changed at the first good opportunity.
What I liked about the E-07
Good Mileage, quiet, tread pattern good for what I do (mostly pavement, with some forest roads or dirt roads). I do like to ride the forest roads / 4x4 roads with my wife, but I do not need an aggressive knobby for that. If it's slick and muddy we will try to stay off those roads.

Bottom line - If the Mitas E-07 is available that would be my tire of choice.
If the E-07+ is the best choice from Mitas then I will most likely be buying another brand.
... Probably the Heidenau k60, may even try the MotoZ Tractionator GPS.
 
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I received a follow up email to my follow up email. I don't want to post the actual text here (I think it's kind of rude to post someone else's email, even business related stuff), but the gist of it was that the Mitas representative said Mitas would evaluate the options of bringing the old E07 back. Now, that certainly could just be public relations hot air, but even paying lip service to the idea gives the impression they acknowledge there are riders who are dissatisfied with the termination of the old E07 tire. If there was ever a time to contact Mitas and let them know your opinion on bringing back the old E07, I think now would be the opportune time. If you're on other ADV motorcycle forums, it wouldn't hurt to spread the word there, too.
 

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I believe the Mitas Sales Manager was doing a bit of cutting and pasting today. Sounds a lot like the reply he sent me.

At least I know they are aware of how some of us view the loss of the E-07 and E-07 Dakar and why it matters. Can't predict what they will do, but I'm now a little hopeful we may see the return of the long lasting E-07s in the future.

Good suggestion shredmeister.
 
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I've been doing research on what's out there and I don't see anything that is a better option than getting a K60 for the next trip. High mileage, and known performance. It's the tire my previous Tenere was wearing when I rode through Hurricane Irene, so not really worried about the "bad in wet" bugaboo you hear referenced. I was reading my notes on that hurricane tire and it went 8,400 miles and earned a note of "performed very well in all conditions."
What Dirt_Dad said. I put a new K60 on the back of my Tenere and then rode 500+ miles in pouring rain on I-70 at 80+ mph from Denver to Topeka, KS, to tour the Evel Knievel museum. (My riding buddy likes to ride very fast.) The rain was coming down in buckets, we were passing semis with a wicked crosswind and the traction control never even flashed. I don't know what more you could ask of a tire, given my recent experience with a new K60.
 

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I believe the Mitas Sales Manager was doing a bit of cutting and pasting today. Sounds a lot like the reply he sent me.
Same on my end. Maybe just lip service, but hopefully more will communicate with them. From a manufacturing point of view, I suspect it's not all that difficult to return those sizes to the offering for the E07 Dakar, but the company has to be convinced that making a new run of tires will be profitable for them. If demand becomes apparent, the squeaky wheel will get some grease. ;)
 

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In the meantime, Revzilla has sold out of K60 rears and doesn't expect them until sometime in July. I was able to pick one up at Twisted Throttle. I suspect they'll be selling much faster now.
 

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I never stopped running the k60 front, never had a problem with it.

Debating whether to spoon on another anakee 3 for the longer road trips or...
 

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I have to apologize to the crew here. For some reason if there is something I like it is discontinued. No matter what it is. TV shows parts or what ever. I put on my first set of E07 dakar's last year and loved them from the start. They got me in and out from my house all winter and lasted great on the roads. As a matter of fact I had 10,000 miles on them and took off to Florida in 100 plus degree heat. they wore like iron! Still have miles in them yet. Now I can't get a replacement. Sorry fellas! I will just stop liking things I guess.
 

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I have to apologize to the crew here. For some reason if there is something I like it is discontinued. No matter what it is. TV shows parts or what ever. I put on my first set of E07 dakar's last year and loved them from the start. They got me in and out from my house all winter and lasted great on the roads. As a matter of fact I had 10,000 miles on them and took off to Florida in 100 plus degree heat. they wore like iron! Still have miles in them yet. Now I can't get a replacement. Sorry fellas! I will just stop liking things I guess.
Write Mitas and tell them how you like the EO7 Dakar and why. Every bit counts.
 
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Write Mitas and tell them how you like the EO7 Dakar and why. Every bit counts.
I think you are going to be hard pressed to get them to reintroduce the Dakar version of the E07. It was a great wearing and long lasting tire. Unfortunately the Dakar E07 falls short in true off road conditions. This is the reason the E07+ was introduced. I still think it's not as effective as a full big block.
 

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I agree, that's the folly. The E07 in any flavor is not as good as a pure pavement tire or a pure off road tire, and never will be. They are attempting to market to big bike riders saying the new E07+ is a better performing tire. It matters not. If I want a better performing tire than the E07+/Dakar/etc, I'll go to a more dedicated tire.

Some idiot though he could make a better tire for off road and pavement. At the cost of mileage. No one asked for that from the E07 family. No one wants that from the E07 family. We liked the all round nature of the original E07 Dakar, and that it would hold up for long, epic trips and endurance travel, etc. It owned the niche, now it doesn't even compare.

This comes from a lack of riders on the payroll, and a lack of oversight. Someone, when that person suggested this "new" E07+ tire, should have smacked that person in the back of the head with a rolled up newspaper and said in a firm voice; "NO". Way to go Mitas, you lost market share and didn't even try out the new version before discontinuing the old version.
 
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I agree, that's the folly. The E07 in any flavor is not as good as a pure pavement tire or a pure off road tire, and never will be. They are attempting to market to big bike riders saying the new E07+ is a better performing tire. It matters not. If I want a better performing tire than the E07+/Dakar/etc, I'll go to a more dedicated tire.

Some idiot though he could make a better tire for off road and pavement. At the cost of mileage. No one asked for that from the E07 family. No one wants that from the E07 family. We liked the all round nature of the original E07 Dakar, and that it would hold up for long, epic trips and endurance travel, etc. It owned the niche, now it doesn't even compare.

This comes from a lack of riders on the payroll, and a lack of oversight. Someone, when that person suggested this "new" E07+ tire, should have smacked that person in the back of the head with a rolled up newspaper and said in a firm voice; "NO". Way to go Mitas, you lost market share and didn't even try out the new version before discontinuing the old version.
Yes Eric, you make a very valid point in what you expect from a tire. It does suck for the long distance riders for sure. I would be really curious as to what the actual sales increase/decrease is compared to the old E07 Dakar.

Hard to believe we are going back to K60s. But then they do last forever, which is important for big summer trips.
And boy do I remember all the raving reviews on durability!!
 

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And boy do I remember all the raving reviews on durability!!
You're right. The K60's were very popular because of their long wear but once the E-07 became available to the US, most riders transitioned to them because they did not flatten out like the Scouts and handled better.
 

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My only reason for buying an E07 was for its longevity. I don't ride in the dirt; the most I do are fire roads and gravel, and my 705s are more than up to that. If I did favor a lot of dirt riding, the E07 wouldn't be my choice anyway; there are better tires for that.

I think guys who do a lot of long distance stuff are underserved by tire manufacturers; that's probably why darksiding became a thing. Crossing the country and having to make advance arrangements for a tire change (since shops that don't specialize in ADV type bikes don't normally stock the kind of tires we use) is a drag. I understand the business logic of it; you can't sell as many tires if the tires last for 10,000 miles.
 

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I think you are going to be hard pressed to get them to reintroduce the Dakar version of the E07. It was a great wearing and long lasting tire. Unfortunately the Dakar E07 falls short in true off road conditions. This is the reason the E07+ was introduced. I still think it's not as effective as a full big block.
Have you ever ran an old e07 Dakar off-road or at all?
 
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Have you ever ran an old e07 Dakar off-road or at all?
I have never tried one. I'm 100% sure it's nowhere as good as a big block style tire in loose deep sand and rocks. I have seen 1st hand the ill handling traits of this tire.
 

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I have never tried one. I'm 100% sure it's nowhere as good as a big block style tire in loose deep sand and rocks. I have seen 1st hand the ill handling traits of this tire.
How can one compare a 50/50 tire to a big block tire? Different animals in capability.

I loved the E-07 Dakar. Great long lasting tire that didn't do everything great, but did everything well enough. Want on road performance, get PR4's, want off road performance, get big blocks. Want something in the middle, the E-07 for me was the tire.
 
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