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scott123007 said:
I still don't understand why Yamaha chose to use the clutch switch as the map actuator. At any rate, having a "neutral map" is questionable at best, and using a clutch switch to change that map to whichever one has been chosen when letting the clutch out, mid stroke, is retarded.

Sorry AC, for the hijack, just had to get that off my chest. LOL
This isn't my thread. Don't apologize to me. This is a results thread. Supposed to be guys who I've done flashing for boasting/bitching about it.

I just poke in here to try to steal the feedback so I can keep making the flashes better.

I'm not 100% sure why Yamaha did it either. Honestly, I see it as something I can embrace and use. Yeah, it can be moderately annoying, but I got used to it quick when the bike was stock. With reflashing I can get rid of it easily enough.

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Other bikes have clutch position actuated maps, I believe. That's not Yamaha exclusive.

Regardless, good to see that fellas can get their Tenere improved so much with small effort. Sure makes it a much more enjoyable machine. Great job.
 

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While I can't relate any ac flash results information, I have benefited from his experience. I have the flash-tune interface and ac has helped me get things working on my -70 ecu when I ran into some flash-tune irregularities.

As far as the neutral/clutch disengaged map goes, since Yamaha has different ignition advance and throttle position maps per gear, they had to choose something to use in neutral and when the clutch is disengaged. The difficult to understand part is why they chose something substantially different from the 1st gear maps, especially at the throttle and rpm values where you are trying to smoothly leave a stop. It's like they wanted you to stall the bike as you're leaving the dealership for the first time! :)
 

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jbrown said:
While I can't relate any ac flash results information, I have benefited from his experience. I have the flash-tune interface and ac has helped me get things working on my -70 ecu when I ran into some flash-tune irregularities.

As far as the neutral/clutch disengaged map goes, since Yamaha has different ignition advance and throttle position maps per gear, they had to choose something to use in neutral and when the clutch is disengaged. The difficult to understand part is why they chose something substantially different from the 1st gear maps, especially at the throttle and rpm values where you are trying to smoothly leave a stop. It's like they wanted you to stall the bike as you're leaving the dealership for the first time! :)
That's a good point.

One that is lesser realized is that the same thing happens as you switch gears. There is no "gear position sensor" on the bike. The ECU is calculating your gear based on RPM and wheel speed. Once it realizes you shifted, it jumps throttle and ignition maps from your previous gear to your current.

I can make that pretty "exciting" if you'd like :).

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Fan-freakin-tastic!

No thanks to the USPS, finally got the revived beast out for a ride this afternoon. T-mode gives a nice smooth pull, snappy but not obnoxious. S mode invites all sorts of hooligan activities...my back tire is not going to last.

Awesome job AC, thanks for the fast turnaround and service! ::012:: ::013::

--G
 

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escapefjrtist said:
Fan-freakin-tastic!

No thanks to the USPS, finally got the revived beast out for a ride this afternoon. T-mode gives a nice smooth pull, snappy but not obnoxious. S mode invites all sorts of hooligan activities...my back tire is not going to last.

Awesome job AC, thanks for the fast turnaround and service! ::012:: ::013::

--G
Oh no! What did USPS do?

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USPS left me a nice little note yesterday that they tried to deliver but "Signature Required". Doh!
Anyway, I signed the card so I should have a nice little present when I get home today. Weather is supposed to be dry and sunny tomorrow (unlike today) so I should get the chance to put it through it's paces.
I can't wait! I'm like a kid waiting for his BB gun to arrive from the Sears Roebuck catalog.

I will report my findings tomorrow. Judging from others' feedback I will be a happy camper!

Oh, and I have to give props to Anthony for what he is doing. We spoke for a long time on the phone. He is a very knowledgable guy and he obviously has a passion for what he is doing. We are lucky to have people like him on this forum. I make the experience of owning a great bike even greater.

Thanks AC.
 

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The insured value makes the packages "Signature Required". There is just no way to avoid it. The ECU is $817.17 from cheapcycleparts.com. I insure for $900 on the return to cover shipping/price variations.

I ALWAYS put the owner's contact email in the USPS notification. Check your spam folders. My mail carrier is great, she will leave me packages if I leave her a note asking her to citing the tracking number. YMMV

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avc8130 said:
Oh no! What did USPS do?

ac
Nothing too bad other than they got it to you a day late for starters. Then yesterday, I had to flag down our carrier as she was leaving our 'hood and ask her for the package. Tracking showed it out for delivery and after rummaging around in her rig, she produced it.

Constant battle with the rural carriers...not the sharpest knives in the drawer!

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Nothing too bad other than they got it to you a day late for starters. Then yesterday, I had to flag down our carrier as she was leaving our 'hood and ask her for the package. Tracking showed it out for delivery and after rummaging around in her rig, she produced it.

Constant battle with the rural carriers...not the sharpest knives in the drawer!

--G
It could be worse...we could live in Canada!

::010::

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OK, Got the package yesterday and went home after work and plogged er in!
After speaking with Anthony, he let on that there are actually 4 maps that can be programmed, using the different combinations of D Mode and the CJM switch. We settled on the following which I will try to describe as best as I can:

CJM Switch D Mode Map
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Off Touring Stock Touring mode
Off Sport Super Sport mode (what Snakebitten referred to as "Hooligan Mode")
On Touring Enhanced Touring - Somewhere between the old Touring and Sport modes in terms of giddyup, only smoother power delivery and less engine braking
On Sport Enhanced Sport - The same improvements as Enhanced Touring without the stock restrictions.

I was only able to get out for about 45 minutes but here are my thoughts.

Stock Touring is just what it sounds like.

Enhanced Touring. I would say for daily commuting, two up riding, etc. this may be the map I spend the most time in. Throttle response is smooth and linear and unlike stock touring mode, the acceleration keeps happening. It doesn't feel like it's so governed. Reduced engine graking adds to the smoothness of the ride. It's just a nice combination of smoothness and power which makes for a very pleasant ride. When I started my test ride I started in Stock Touring mode. This was the next mode that I hit and I was immediately pleased with the difference, expecially with the reduced engine braking.

Enhanced Sport. This is like enhanced Sport's big brother. It has a lot of the same smoothness factors as ET mode, but with much more giddyup. I would say that for solo riding, just out to have fun, this would be the one I will use most often. Either that or Super Sport mode, depending on the whim of the moment.

Super Sport mode is really exciting. Power ramps up quickly and you'll find yourself doing 80 in no time, mainly because it's so much fun to twist the grip. Riding hard, inadvertantly lifted the front wheel a bit shifting into 3rd gear! That's never happened to me before.

All in all, and especially doller for doller, it's the best money I've spend on this bike (and I've spent a lot as many of us have). I highly reccommend it if you are on the fence like I was for a while.

Great job AC. When it comes time for a new suspension setup (next year when I'm through with college payments), you will be hearing from me!
 

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I finally had a chance to get out with my AVC programmed ECU today. I had asked for his 'standard' touring and sport map, which based on his prior comments I think should be basically 1/1 throttle/butterfly in T mode, and more zing than that in S. I had no interest in running the CJM, so I asked for that map to be whatever would smooth out the stumble the most.

All good news here, the fall on it's face stumble accelerating from a stop is GONE GONE GONE, smooth all the way. That was my biggest problem with the bike, as I have two other EFI bikes that are smooth and progressive, the felt like someone was throwing a boat anchor out every time I was pulling out in traffic. Anyhow, like I said, gone, it's how the bike should be.

T mode feels just like what I expected, linear all the way, smooth, no surprises, and none of the old marshmallow feel of the factory T. This map is probably what S should have been from the factory. I'm pretty sure I'll spend most of my time here.

S mode feels like a holley 4 barrel right on the verge of the accelerator pump kick all the time. :) It's fun, it's aggressive. 80 MPH and redline happens in a blink. The bike roars like a 1200, much more effortlessly. I'll probably use this on the freeway, and when I'm in sportbike peg scraping mode.

Summing it up, I'd say that these T and S maps are what T and S _should_ be for an advanced/experienced street rider. There's a few miles of rutted, nasty gravel to get to any pavement from my house, and I feel fine in T. Someone who planned to actually be off-road on trails or dirt roads a lot would probably want the "lighter T", and this T as S. I may go that way myself after I have some more time with it.. we'll see if the grin wears off from the current S mode. :)
 

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CurtC said:
I finally had a chance to get out with my AVC programmed ECU today. I had asked for his 'standard' touring and sport map, which based on his prior comments I think should be basically 1/1 throttle/butterfly in T mode, and more zing than that in S. I had no interest in running the CJM, so I asked for that map to be whatever would smooth out the stumble the most.

All good news here, the fall on it's face stumble accelerating from a stop is GONE GONE GONE, smooth all the way. That was my biggest problem with the bike, as I have two other EFI bikes that are smooth and progressive, the felt like someone was throwing a boat anchor out every time I was pulling out in traffic. Anyhow, like I said, gone, it's how the bike should be.

T mode feels just like what I expected, linear all the way, smooth, no surprises, and none of the old marshmallow feel of the factory T. This map is probably what S should have been from the factory. I'm pretty sure I'll spend most of my time here.

S mode feels like a holley 4 barrel right on the verge of the accelerator pump kick all the time. :) It's fun, it's aggressive. 80 MPH and redline happens in a blink. The bike roars like a 1200, much more effortlessly. I'll probably use this on the freeway, and when I'm in sportbike peg scraping mode.

Summing it up, I'd say that these T and S maps are what T and S _should_ be for an advanced/experienced street rider. There's a few miles of rutted, nasty gravel to get to any pavement from my house, and I feel fine in T. Someone who planned to actually be off-road on trails or dirt roads a lot would probably want the "lighter T", and this T as S. I may go that way myself after I have some more time with it.. we'll see if the grin wears off from the current S mode. :)
Curtc, I have the same thoughts about running without cjm. How was engine breaking after the flash? I think on the stock ecu it's a little too much, but not sure if the flash eases off on that a little. I still want engine breaking, but just a little less.
 

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Koinz said:
Curtc, I have the same thoughts about running without cjm. How was engine breaking after the flash? I think on the stock ecu it's a little too much, but not sure if the flash eases off on that a little. I still want engine breaking, but just a little less.
Koinz,

Just remember, each flash is tailored to what the rider tells me.

You'll be at my place Saturday. We can discuss at length...heck, you can ride my bike.

ac
 

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Ok.... ::26:: ;D
 

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What effect are people seeing on fuel economy? Is it anything like ECUnleashed's flash reported boost to mileage?
 

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The avc flash is easily the most impactful and best bang-for-the-buck mod for the Tenere. I just got back home from the group flash and avc's house and it really feels like I have a new bike. If you are on the fence like I was about going with this flash, do not hesitate and get it done because it is more than worth it.

All of the stumbling, surging, and jerkiness I had with the throttle in both stock T and S mode are gone. What I have now is unrestricted, smooth, controllable, predictable power at all speeds and in all 3 modes avc put on my ECU. In the last 3 hours I had with the S10, I already feel a lot more comfortable and connected to the bike. Yamaha really did a poor job on the stock throttle maps and I'm surprised the reviews out there aren't more negative on this. I remember times when I would hold a constant throttle and the bike would surge back and forth on its own. avc confirmed this when we looked at a stock map and saw that for a constant throttle input, the % throttle opening on the engine would go +- ~3% depending on engine RPM.

I went with the new "light" T mode for riding in traffic / commuting, the "enhanced" T mode for 1:1 connection between wrist and throttle opening, and the enhanced S mode which is essentially a quick turn throttle. The modes were made accessible via the T / S mode selector with and without a CJM in place. Light T mode feels in between stock T and stock S in terms of power delivery, but is very smooth and easy to use. Enhanced T and Enhanced S provide full power, but again are also very easy to control. By request avc also partially reduced engine braking which was a big issue for my passenger as the abrupt slow down would cause her helmet to collide into the back of mine.

I think what really sets this mod from avc apart from the other flashes is the ability to customize. avc offered choices, I chose to go with these 3 modes, and I knew exactly what I was getting. Others in the group went with different modes based on their own riding preferences. The only thing I didn't realize I was getting until after the ride was the boost in comfort on the bike and increased willingness wring it out and throw it into corners.

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I was able to ride my bike today with the reworked ECU from ACV. I had the "Light T" work done to mine because I like to ride off-road. Wow what a great difference. Bike runs so much better now. Fun, fun, fun.
Thank you AC!
 

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What can I say, except great having the bike respond the way it should've in the first place. I had the ecu flashed with the enhanced T mode that's more like a better S-mode, and the the enhanced S-mode that I've heard being called hooligan mode. I had AC fine tune the enhanced s-mode so it came in earlier on the twist of the wrist. Great Mod. Nice to meet you guys at the group meet. Here's a couple of pictures of the guys hard at work ;D Awesome day for a ride.
Thanks AC
 

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