Interesting, but I have never felt the need to air down for anything (although I'd consider it for sand) in my riding life. Don't see this as a help to my concerns of needing to fix a flat on the side of the road, in the rain, at 39 degrees, in the dark, with my wife standing over my shoulder saying "I told you so... are you done yet?"spklbuk said:
Man... you are one tough customer. So we both can agree that the AT could potentially be a replacement to the Tenere (or at the very least an add-on) because it brings the bigger bike performance threshold closer to the little bikes that we love without sacrificing too much of what we love about the big bikes. But the little bike performance that we are aiming for almost universally is accomplished on tubed tires - namely your past KTM and WR and current DR. I do not often hear you using terms like "dealbreaker" when you discuss taking your DR out to thrash around the WV woods. It has a tube and does just fine. I have not done the math but I am gonna guess that the ratio of my flat tires to miles/smiles ridden is ridiculously low. I can live with tubed tire if the AT delivers the fun factor that it seems to promise. Ergos are likely to be a bigger dealbreaker for me as I am a tall guy and there is already speculation on a cramped cockpit on the AT. No matter... I CANNOT WAIT to get a test ride on one of these bad boys.Dirt_Dad said:
Changing out a tubed tire on a KTM single, WR, or DR is just an entirely different proposition than doing the same on a big bike like the AT. Yes, the AT is somewhat lighter than the S10, but it is a lot closer to the S10 in size/weight than to any KTM single or the WR. And bikes like the WR simply don't rack up the huge pavement miles that liter-bikes do. When I owned a KTM 300 and a DRZ, I was fine dumping them on their side or slinging them over the nearest log to fix a flat, but doing this sort of thing on the shoulder of the interstate in 95-deg heat or rain is an entirely different ball game.trikepilot said:
Come ride with me and Fancy and you'll likely be left with the same inescapable conclusion that DirtDad has come to - I am quite obviously neither brave nor rich so that only leaves foolish. :markjenn said:
I do not use my bigger and heavier Tenere as you describe and have no intention of treating the AT any different. The AT simply "looks like" - on paper at least - a better version of MY Tenere. But a test ride is what is required to dispel all this speculation. My math may be a bit fuzzy but a 0.2 flats per year or 4.6 years per each flat is a ratio that I am willing to accept to get the better big dirt bike performance. To each his own.markjenn said:
Yep, I'll vouch for Trike on this one. I would not call him brave, nor rich. ;Dtrikepilot said:Come ride with me and Fancy and you'll likely be left with the same inescapable conclusion that DirtDad has come to - I am quite obviously neither brave nor rich so that only leaves foolish. :
He's never had much understanding of me telling him I don't want to beat the hell out of my Tenere. He is without a doubt the perfect candidate to buy an AT. I hope it works out for him. Let's face it, if he has one he's probably my best shot at getting to try one, too. ::008::
...so sayeth the propaganda at least.Dirt_Dad said:
Hey.... I have had a WR250R for several years now!!!Dirt_Dad said:
Touché...but you were beating Fancy into the ground long before you bought that WR.trikepilot said:
I run the tubliss on my exc 450. It stands up to the beating, without fault. But the issue is, that tubliss tube needs to be at 100-110 psi to seal the rim, and then your rim can be anywhere from 0-10 psi. It's not really meant for higher pressures. Not really sure how it would do on a long day, only stopping for gas type of deal (600-800km days).Dirt_Dad said:
Jon... I think you hit the nail on the head here. Few of us have really pushed the Tenere to the edge of its performance envelope. Sails and now EemsReno have proven the high mileage capability of the Tenere. Ole GitRay, Trevor, and other RTW riders have proven it as a dependable world traveler.Dirt_Dad said:
Wow. Are you saying, the old Africa Twin owners weren't that impressed with the New Africa Twin. Holy smokes. Those old Africa Twins were a real banana boat compared to the new bike. More likely they couldn't afford the new one.Squibb said:
wait till the price gets announced here in Canada. Rumor is that honda Canada want the full fat mark up of the bike, and iwll price it as they see fit. Talk is $20G plus all applicable freight, pdi, and taxes.Squibb said: