Baby needed some new shoes (Full Bore Tires)

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After almost 9000 miles on my stock tires (Battlewings) it was time to give baby some new shoes. Being that money is a little tight, I was looking for a deal. I had good experiences with the Shinko 705's on my VStrom, so I thought maybe I'd try those on the ST. Then I remembered the Full Bore Radial that are based on the Shinko molds but are V-Rated and supposedly have a wider tread spacing. I found them on sale at one of my favorite local shops for $166.00 shipped to my door. That's a deal that I just couldn't pass up. I must admit, The tread on these tires looks awesome. If the rear lasts 7500+ miles...I'll be very happy.

http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/full-bore-m-40-adventure-sport-radial-rear-tire/083-AS402.aspx
 

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I have almost 6000 miles on my OE tires. I have a set of Shinko 705's on standby ready to mount up when needed. Curious to hear how the Full Bore's wear.
 

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Watch out for cracking at the lugs. Common report on the 705's. I routinely see 12k from a rear K60 Scout if I don't do NV high speeds. They may cost $300 a set, but the fronts go to 20k+ and the rears 12K, so there is economy in that.

Still, I'm going to try some PR3 Trails next to see what more pavement oriented tires will do for longevity. The K60s are a great tire for on/off road use and I love them for going from pavement to gravel to dirt, all at speed and all confident in traction. Not as great in the soft stuff, but nothing short of full knobbies is.
 

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EricV said:
Watch out for cracking at the lugs. Common report on the 705's. I routinely see 12k from a rear K60 Scout if I don't do NV high speeds. They may cost $300 a set, but the fronts go to 20k+ and the rears 12K, so there is economy in that.

Still, I'm going to try some PR3 Trails next to see what more pavement oriented tires will do for longevity. The K60s are a great tire for on/off road use and I love them for going from pavement to gravel to dirt, all at speed and all confident in traction. Not as great in the soft stuff, but nothing short of full knobbies is.
I heard about the cracking on the Shinkos although I never had that problem with mine...original reports said that was due to under inflation at prolonged highway speeds. IIRC shinkos had 32psi stamped on the sidewall which shinko later stated was wrong. The Full Bores are stamped 42psi and are V-rated as opposed the the H-rated shinkos which hopefully means a different rubber compound. Anyway, for the price, I'll give these a shot and report back any problems.
 

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la-motor said:
After almost 9000 miles on my stock tires (Battlewings) it was time to give baby some new shoes. Being that money is a little tight, I was looking for a deal. I had good experiences with the Shinko 705's on my VStrom, so I thought maybe I'd try those on the ST. Then I remembered the Full Bore Radial that are based on the Shinko molds but are V-Rated and supposedly have a wider tread spacing. I found them on sale at one of my favorite local shops for $166.00 shipped to my door. That's a deal that I just couldn't pass up. I must admit, The tread on these tires looks awesome. If the rear lasts 7500+ miles...I'll be very happy.

http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/full-bore-m-40-adventure-sport-radial-rear-tire/083-AS402.aspx
They charged Tax to Ca. D'oh, they're located in Ca. ::010:: These were my next tire when I first read about them. Thanks for the heads-up on the buy.
 

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I just peeled off the rear shinko 705, not a bad tire, not bad wear....about 6500-7500km out of the rear. heidenau went in it's place.
Front Shinko is still plenty good, no cracking, no cupping, staying on, should last well past 15000km
A set of K60 in calgary will run about $320 for the pair at the local shop, where as the shinko's will be about $180 for the set, but will maybe last half as long
 

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I just reshoed with BW 501 & 502 after 8,424 miles. I still hadn't hit the wear bars but was getting close plus I had bad cupping and they were singing to me in corners and I also ride year round in all conditions so needed new shoes for safety. Since I run a rear fender with close tolerance to the tire I stuck with the Battlewings and the price was right from MCSS. I am strictly surface roads so the BW work great for me. YMMV
 

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greg the pole said:
I just peeled off the rear shinko 705, not a bad tire, not bad wear....about 6500-7500km out of the rear. heidenau went in it's place.
Front Shinko is still plenty good, no cracking, no cupping, staying on, should last well past 15000km
A set of K60 in calgary will run about $320 for the pair at the local shop, where as the shinko's will be about $180 for the set, but will maybe last half as long
4600 miles? I've read that some of the Canadian roads are pretty abrasive. Personally, I'd categorize that as pretty terrible wear, but that's just me. Even the much maligned EXP did almost twice that. My K60 is right at 10,000 miles with what looks like maybe 3mm left on the rear. The timing, I don't think they'll take me out to June like I was hoping so I could do a new set of something for Colorado.
Oh well, two sets then.
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EricV said:
Watch out for cracking at the lugs. Common report on the 705's. I routinely see 12k from a rear K60 Scout if I don't do NV high speeds. They may cost $300 a set, but the fronts go to 20k+ and the rears 12K, so there is economy in that.

Still, I'm going to try some PR3 Trails next to see what more pavement oriented tires will do for longevity. The K60s are a great tire for on/off road use and I love them for going from pavement to gravel to dirt, all at speed and all confident in traction. Not as great in the soft stuff, but nothing short of full knobbies is.
Eric, the majority of cracking was with the Bias older 705. the Radials are having much fewer issues. I like the feel of SHinko's better in water than the K60's. I may get me some of them too for the winter months.
 

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Don in Lodi said:
4600 miles? I've read that some of the Canadian roads are pretty abrasive. Personally, I'd categorize that as pretty terrible wear, but that's just me. Even the much maligned EXP did almost twice that. My K60 is right at 10,000 miles with what looks like maybe 3mm left on the rear. The timing, I don't think they'll take me out to June like I was hoping so I could do a new set of something for Colorado.
Oh well, two sets then.
::021::
it's funny, I usually get more wear up here, than on US roads, the odd thing is that the bulk of the mileage was done
on two trips through NW US. The rear still had about 500km or so to go, but I had the K60 kicking around so I put it on.
Got 9000km out of my original metzeler, 8000km out of a battlewing, then as mentioned about 6500km out of the
Shinko. I'm expecting about 14km out of the K60.
My riding is 40 % city, 30% hwy, 30% gravel/off road
 

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I have the shinko 705 radials on my ST, I like them a lot in how they perform, but wear on the rear is not great. Mine has the lugs in the center about gone with 4000 miles on it. But 149 two my door for both the front and rear is hard to beat.
 

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la-motor said:
After almost 9000 miles on my stock tires (Battlewings) it was time to give baby some new shoes. Being that money is a little tight, I was looking for a deal. I had good experiences with the Shinko 705's on my VStrom, so I thought maybe I'd try those on the ST. Then I remembered the Full Bore Radial that are based on the Shinko molds but are V-Rated and supposedly have a wider tread spacing. I found them on sale at one of my favorite local shops for $166.00 shipped to my door. That's a deal that I just couldn't pass up. I must admit, The tread on these tires looks awesome. If the rear lasts 7500+ miles...I'll be very happy.

http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/full-bore-m-40-adventure-sport-radial-rear-tire/083-AS402.aspx
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any feedback on these Full Bores?

i have a tire machine so plan to run the oem BWs for the majority of my commuting time but the long weeknds and off road rides I'd like to switch to a more off road choice. price point of the FBs seem to make it a good choice to do this.

considered the k60s but that would be a compromise on both fronts.

also considering the TKCs in this same scenario.

thanks for any feedback!
 

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Ok...After 10k+ miles on the stock battlewings, I finally got around to spooning on the new shoes. So far, the only thing I notice is that steering input is a little slower and heavier than with the battlewings and there is a slight vibration on decel below 20MPH...I'm going to play with the air pressure and see if that lightens up the steering a bit. If I can get 8K of of these tires I'll be happy. More updates to come.




 

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I bought 3 sets of the old ones (shikos 705). All three sets had lugs that separated and cracked catastrophically. I could get about 5K out of them before that happened. Since I had so much trouble with them, I decided never to go back, just not worth the hassle. But the new ones may be better.
 

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motocephalic said:
I bought 3 sets of the old ones (shikos 705). All three sets had lugs that separated and cracked catastrophically. I could get about 5K out of them before that happened. Since I had so much trouble with them, I decided never to go back, just not worth the hassle. But the new ones may be better.
We're hoping the Fullbore M40 is enough of a different beast from the Shinko. Different speed rating I know, and pretty sure the load was different. Waiting on my k60 to get properly wore out... ::26::
 

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I just returned from a 3200 mile spin where I had Full Bore M40s waiting on little less than half way through. So I have about 1800 miles on them ... or so.
This was probably 500 miles interstate, 1300 state roads. Maybe 20miles gravel. Maybe 450 wet roads. All well laden in terms of me and gear.

The tires seem to be wearing well. I am guessing I will get the 6000-8000 that we see reported on the 705s. They seem to perform well in the wet. The little bit of gravel I left them fully inflated as specified on sidewall. So I really do not think with that and 20 miles I have anything to report in that area.

I am not a very aggressive rider nor do I have 20+ years of experience so I probably never tell you all the tire can do!

What I believe about the tire (best guess) It is a 705, from the same plant and of the same construction. They may have widened the groves but have not had a chance to do a side by side comparison.... minimally if so! The sidewall definitely has been changed in name as well as specifications....TIRE PRESSURE. Mfg recommended is 42psi while I believe the 705 is 36psi.

You may correct me if I am wrong but what I believe is the result is the following. Higher pressure = cooler running temps = higher obtainable speed rating.

I was not sure that I wanted to run such high pressures but figured with all the road miles what the heck...Do what the MFG Says dang-it :) --> definitely a little stiffer all the way around. but may get a few more miles out of them at those pressures.

As for the negatives and positives in relation to the k-60 which was my other consideration.
The K-60 is more aggressive = good off road, but from the miles people are reporting running them they must be harder rubber and that is not generally as good in any type traction. so they would be better but not as much better as the tread gap may suggest. They should not grip as well on roads. (cornering & BRAKING) Wet road i am not even going to ponder my thoughts out loud on that. too many variables.

As for the 705 and M40, I do not believe I have read any confirmed tire block separation issues on the radial. If there is I would ask what tire pressures and speeds were being run. were they aired down for off road work and run down the highway without full pressure? The reason I ask is I believe that is what the leading cause of tire break down is............ all this is to my low level experience understanding.... I am only 5 years and 3 bikes into the game!

Oh yea, best part - 165 for the set from chaparral ... found a promo code.... 148 delivered to a shop I found along the trip. A nice fairly new start-up MotoStop in Daytona Beach. Amazing how well a little planning worked out on that one!! ::022::

Ok I am correcting myself here. I did a 350 mile loop to see a buddy yesterday. So my Full Bores have almost 2200 miles on them. I would say that the rear is half done. So I am thinking its more of a 4500 mile rear. Unfortunately most all of its miles have been down to strait of roads and the center is getting more of a focus of the activity than I aspire for. So with a better mix of roads that would maybe bump up a little. Sure wish I would of bought two rears at that price LOL.

As a continuation of tires in general. My previous steed (tiger 955i) I did throw a set of Big Blocks on. I had heavy cracking around all knobs and they were wearing FAST. I swapped them before 1000 miles. I liked the look and the off pavement confidence I had with them. But the heavy cracking and wear was not acceptable. I did get one of the first sets delivered and they may have done something to fix the cracking. I never lost a tread block but did not keep running them to find if I would. On a different previous steed (KLR) I had a different Kenda that performed great.

One last comment on the Full Bore M-40, Both front and back took 1.25 oz to get balanced. That is on the top end of acceptable by most manufacturers I think. If a guy ran them unbalanced I would think he might have a bouncy ride.

On last update/correction to myself. I was riding with a buddy who had the shinkos on a vstrom 650. I believe they are the same size tires though - not sure. but the Full bore does seem to have larger gaps/grooves. Its apparent along the up and down groves, the ones directionally inline with tire roatation/ otherwise the non-diagonal gaps! (yes I sure had trouble describing that one!! LOL) In relation to tire wear I would say rather similar. I had 2700-2800 on mine and his was just over 3000. The wear pattern was slightly different because of types of riding the tires had seen. However my guess is that they will be similar from the small info I have.

Hope that helps
 

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I"m on My 4th rear and 2nd front 705's and run 38-40psi on tarmac and have no complains of the Shinko's
I dont ride much in the rain(the great south west)the times I have the shinko's did Okay, not great but okay. but really what should you expect from
a semi knob tire?
I ride like a insane maniac and get 4-5k miles out of the rear. but for $150-$160 for a pair who cares? ::026::
 
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