Arrow Exhaust, Headers, PV, & Auto Tune ordered

[Rasher]

Pulling the ECU is super easy too. You can probably do it in <15 mins if you work diligently.

Some instructions somewhere around here with pictures.

I followed them and had the job done in well under half an hour ::008::

 

[Rasher]

Umm...I don't think I can agree with that in good conscience. With 2 people aboard the stock shock, the bike geometry is severely compromised. Getting a better spring rate and proper sag will really keep the bike handling and more poised...especially on mountain switchbacks.

You have managed to disagree with me and then make the exact same point I made which is two-up the suspension really is not up to the Job, this is why for two-up use I would keep suspension as number one, but for solo use I would go for the Flash first as the stock suspension is adequate one up and the Flash would give a lot more bang for your buck.

 

[Tallgears]

Look up ECUnleashed. Look for their dealers and find one to call and talk to. You will probably have to remove your ECU and send it to them if there is not one nearby, or take your bike to your Dealer and let them handle the removal and leg work. Figure on around $500.00 if you do it yourself ($450 plus shipping plus tax) or closer to $600 if you have your Dealer handle everything.

I would recommend the Arrow header and whatever slip-on you choose, but would do the re-flash before I spent money on the PCV and autotune. The re-flash and full exhaust gets it really close. Saves about 12lbs and adds a little oomph over stock. There is a little "surging" at very low rpm's if you're trying to hold a steady speed in a low gear (2500 rpm's in second gear for example) but other than that it's damn near perfect. I'm not even sure if the PCV and autotune can get rid of that either.

There may be differing opinions on this, and I know it was not on your list, but I would keep the OEM air filter. BMC's and K&N's are re-useable but don't filter as well, but more importantly, I don't think they pass more air than stock UNLESS you open up the air intake to your air box, so why bother.

I don't know why a better flowing air filter wouldn't help flow more air than a stock filter unless you open up your air box?

I Have the BMCAir filter/FullArrowHeader&muffler/PCV/AT/Gen II flash combo and I do not have any surging at steady speeds in any gear.

 

[scott123007]

I don't know why a better flowing air filter wouldn't help flow more air than a stock filter unless you open up your air box?

I Have the BMCAir filter/FullArrowHeader&muffler/PCV/AT/Gen II flash combo and I do not have any surging at steady speeds in any gear.

It would surge WORSE with a K&N or BMC "IF" they flowed more air than stock. Your airbox opening is more restrictive than the available surface area of your OEM filter including the pressure drop of the element, so installing a filter with less pressure drop but not allowing it to get more air through the opening, does nothing. The fact that your bike does not surge has to do with your PCV and Autotune .

 

[~TABASCO~]

I've worked on a TON of Teneres... I will say that if a customer has supporting mods an aftermarket filter does make a performance difference.. I've experienced it on Tenere's back to back many times... I have also experienced a Tenere with supporting mods, after market filter with an air box mod, that makes even more of a difference to open up the box.. With supporting mods this bike does like the aftermarket filters... On a stock'ish bike I wouldn't probably bother.. It would be one of the last mods, not first...

 

[avc8130]

I've worked on a TON of Teneres... I will say that if a customer has supporting mods an aftermarket filter does make a performance difference.. I've experienced it on Tenere's back to back many times... I have also experienced a Tenere with supporting mods, after market filter with an air box mod, that makes even more of a difference to open up the box.. With supporting mods this bike does like the aftermarket filters... On a stock'ish bike I wouldn't probably bother.. It would be one of the last mods, not first...

Jaxon,

What mods were done to the box? I've been considering some options.

ac

 

[fiddler]

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[kchow24]

Hi Guys,

I'm a new comer..
I have Full Arrow Exhaust system and Power Commander V with Auto Tune, with K&N filter as well.
What is this Gen 1 flash and Gen 2 flash all about, and what purpose?

 

[avc8130]

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I know! He's mentioned it many times...but then also mentioned in a thread I started that air box mods don't help. I wish he would level with us! We are a demanding group!

ac

 

[coastie]

Re: Re: Arrow Exhaust, Headers, PV, & Auto Tune ordered

Hi Guys,

I'm a new comer..
I have Full Arrow Exhaust system and Power Commander V with Auto Tune, with K&N filter as well.
What is this Gen 1 flash and Gen 2 flash all about, and what purpose?

It is discussed in great detail in many threads, hit the old search button. But you can also head to AF1 racing and type ecu unleashed in the search box, click on super Tenere and you can read what the flash does, and get a price.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

 

[snakebitten]

Hi Guys,

I'm a new comer..
I have Full Arrow Exhaust system and Power Commander V with Auto Tune, with K&N filter as well.
What is this Gen 1 flash and Gen 2 flash all about, and what purpose?

I would put it like this: (and some would disagree)

If I had to chose between your Full Arrow exhaust, PCV, and autotune

Or

Just the Gen2 Flash from ECUunleashed

All your hardware would still be in boxes somewhere on a shelf.

(Keep in mind that I might not feel that way before the Gen2 flash arrived on the market)

But to put it one other way, YOU are a lucky man. Because you already did the hard part. You spent the coin and installed the hardware. Now finish what you started and hang on to the handlebars!

 

[Bjp69]

I have just started upgrading my bike and since I have access to a dyno bench I have been testing the result for each step. So far I have only done the Arrow slip on and headers but I have ordered a powercommander and KN filter and will do the ECU unleashed flash last, since the nearest dealer is in Sweden. The biggest surpirse was how rich it was running stock and how much the slip on helped. My stock result was 85 hp, with the Arrow slip on with db killer in, I got 82 hp. Without the db killer I got 92 hp. Adding the headers gave me an additional 2.5hp. Lost around 1 hp with the Clutch Mod throughout the power band. So big surprise in how much the slip on helped and also that I lost 10hp with the db killers in. Has anybody else seen that much gain from a slipon? I might add that that several runs was made and it showed the gain on all attempts.

 

[kchow24]

Re: Re: Arrow Exhaust, Headers, PV, & Auto Tune ordered

It is discussed in great detail in many threads, hit the old search button. But you can also head to AF1 racing and type ecu unleashed in the search box, click on super Tenere and you can read what the flash does, and get a price.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

Thanks buddy,
browsed around AF1 racing, also trying to understand the purpose of this ecu unleashed, my another question is; I already have PCV and auto tune installed, so this ecu unleash is it needed?

 

[snakebitten]

Re: Re: Arrow Exhaust, Headers, PV, & Auto Tune ordered

Thanks buddy,
browsed around AF1 racing, also trying to understand the purpose of this ecu unleashed, my another question is; I already have PCV and auto tune installed, so this ecu unleash is it needed?

I know you think I was just messing with you. And I admit I horse around on here a bit. But read what I said a couple of posts back. I stand by it.

Folks that add headers and PC's and AT's are looking for performance. Right?
I think the Flash (ECU unleashed) does far more for the performance on this bike than all that add on hardware. Seriously.
But the even better news is if you DO have all the hardware on TOP of having the flash, you have it ALL.

Everyone who got the second generation flash knows what I am saying. It FIXED this bike. It runs like a scalded cat now. It eats tires.

 

[Rasher]

The pc cant do anything to fix throttle restrictions which cripple low to midrange power. If you never drop below 5000 rpm you will be fine. If you do then get the flash.

Arrow claim 2 bhp for can and 9 bhp for system. I cannot believe any can gives 10 bhp with original cat headers.

 

[Bjp69]

It gave 7 hp extra compared to the original can but I've never heard of such a gain either. The reason could be that it was running very rich with the original can, around 11.5 - 12 and with the open can it changed to around 13. This was with a new stock airfilter. I can post the dyno results later when I get home but it will be a few weeks.

 

[kchow24]

Thank you so much for the great info.

 

[Rasher]

It gave 7 hp extra compared to the original can but I've never heard of such a gain either. The reason could be that it was running very rich with the original can, around 11.5 - 12 and with the open can it changed to around 13. This was with a new stock airfilter. I can post the dyno results later when I get home but it will be a few weeks.

Mine ran around 12:1 totally stock at the top end (5k-8k) and that changed to around 12.5:1 with the Arrow Headers fitted and netted about 6BHP, I picked up about another 4-5BHP from the ECU Flash which I assume is down to improved fuelling, I suspect a can would only add another 2-3BHP so I am not too bothered as I like it being quite low on noise.

Will probably fit a Power Commander to perfect the fuelling over the winter, mainly to get rid of the surge issue, but I suspect getting the AF bang on may add another 1-2 BHP. I am certainly happy to be about 12BHP up on how it left the factory - but the extra top end is barely noticeable compared to the mid-range response from the Flash ::008::

 

[Zepfan]

Bought the pipe, not full system.

Instillation easy, I shed 6 pounds and I like a stronger note at low rpm's. Cagers can hear you!

No noticeable HP increase that I can tell.

$385 out the door at Pipe City makes this an affordable add on.

 

[Rasher]

No noticeable HP increase that I can tell.

The Cats are in the header section, arrow claim 2.5BHP for a Can, and 9BHP for a system, I am about 8-9 BHP up with just Arrow Headers and Flash, but the Flash made far more difference than the headers to the feel of the bike, the headers really just open up the breathing a bit and allow for a bit more power on WOT, the Flash makes a huge difference the other 99% of the time.