You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?

[thughes317]

@Checkswrecks

Self-lowering Tiger for '24!

Even better: Triumph also says that if you have a 2023 Tiger 1200 without this feature, no problem—at your next scheduled service at a dealership, dealers can add this feature via a software update, at no charge.

Triumph Tiger 1200 gets Active Preload Reduction - Adventure Rider

It’s time to get down, get down, and Triumph is signing on board for […]

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[Checkswrecks]

Saw that but bike's up for sale.

 

[Chav]

@Checkswrecks

Self-lowering Tiger for '24!

Even better: Triumph also says that if you have a 2023 Tiger 1200 without this feature, no problem—at your next scheduled service at a dealership, dealers can add this feature via a software update, at no charge.

Triumph Tiger 1200 gets Active Preload Reduction - Adventure Rider

It’s time to get down, get down, and Triumph is signing on board for […]

www.advrider.com

I test rode the triumph, main reason I didn't buy one was the 5.3 gallon tank and the fact that random people are getting the bad end of the deal with electronics. All these new bikes I was looking at have the whole electronics package and you can't option it out. Researching all these bikes I found while 99% of the bikes are fine there are plenty of people who are having electronic nightmares. I would have probably been that 1%. That's why I bought the ST.

 

[Jlq1969]

I test rode the triumph, main reason I didn't buy one was the 5.3 gallon tank and the fact that random people are getting the bad end of the deal with electronics. All these new bikes I was looking at have the whole electronics package and you can't option it out. Researching all these bikes I found while 99% of the bikes are fine there are plenty of people who are having electronic nightmares. I would have probably been that 1%. That's why I bought the ST.

It is that "by force", and as the years go by... you are going to have to learn to live with electronic management on a motorcycle. But is electronic management really bad?… Calling it “bad”, just because we don't understand it, wouldn't be fair. I think you have to separate between "main electronic management" and secondary management... the main one (which is the injection and ignition management), is already more than proven and hardly anyone who enjoys electronic injection today wants to go back to carburetors ….and regarding the secondary electronic management (dashboard, suspension, QuickShifter, etc), what matters is if this secondary management will allow you to keep going…(until problem solved). A better example than what happened to DDad with his 1290 SAS (more management electronic than the R), and yet an element failed that is not electronic, but rather electrical, common to all motorcycles…..but I left it standing…..Rather than deny or oppose electronics, what must be To do today is to sit down for a while and read a little about how electronic management works, and you will realize that it is very simple, easy to understand, that sometimes the fault is not the "program" or "the ecu"... sometimes the fault is a sensor (easy to replace), or a cable, or a connector......

 

[Chav]

It is that "by force", and as the years go by... you are going to have to learn to live with electronic management on a motorcycle. But is electronic management really bad?… Calling it “bad”, just because we don't understand it, wouldn't be fair. I think you have to separate between "main electronic management" and secondary management... the main one (which is the injection and ignition management), is already more than proven and hardly anyone who enjoys electronic injection today wants to go back to carburetors ….and regarding the secondary electronic management (dashboard, suspension, QuickShifter, etc), what matters is if this secondary management will allow you to keep going…(until problem solved). A better example than what happened to DDad with his 1290 SAS (more management electronic than the R), and yet an element failed that is not electronic, but rather electrical, common to all motorcycles…..but I left it standing…..Rather than deny or oppose electronics, what must be To do today is to sit down for a while and read a little about how electronic management works, and you will realize that it is very simple, easy to understand, that sometimes the fault is not the "program" or "the ecu"... sometimes the fault is a sensor (easy to replace), or a cable, or a connector......

I dont have an issue with electronics and actually I'm a bit of a nerd and my day job involves electronics heavily. I was all in but I heavily researched all the bikes I was looking at tiger 900/1200, BMW 1200/1250, KTM super adventure and I found that while most were fine there are quite a lot of electronic issues that leave some people stranded or their bikes in the dealers for months with seemingly no real fix. We haven't trained the people on these electronics well enough to resolve the issues promptly and the owners get screwed on it IMO.
I am a commercial/industrial HVACR tech and much of our industry has become highly integrated with sophisticated controls as well and hands down it costs the customers more money to fix it because while I can determine if it's a controls issues or mechanical issues I don't specialize in both. No matter what they are going to have me out there for about 2 hours and then have to wait and pay a controls specialist to come out after and then have me come back out to verify the mechanical side is working. The difference is this equipment is huge and the places they are located have huge budgets. Motorcycles are toys and these repairs are coming out of consumers pockets.
Enough rambling from me. My #1 priority for a bike was reliability and that alonesteered me away from them.
Again, no hate for electronics but it wasn't for me

 

[Purificator81]

I don't hate electronics....I understand pretty much how they work...and I like the fundamental ones as per my own perspective....my life evolves around a lot of screens, Internet of things, connectivity, remote work and the related digital solutions that are needed to do that kind of work....
When I look for less electronics in a motorcycle I am actually looking for peace...both from failures but also because riding is meant to keep me away from the hyper tech world of today....

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[Chav]

I don't hate electronics....I understand pretty much how they work...and I like the fundamental ones as per my own perspective....my life evolves around a lot of screens, Internet of things, connectivity, remote work and the related digital solutions that are needed to do that kind of work....
When I look for less electronics in a motorcycle I am actually looking for peace...both from failures but also because riding is meant to keep me away from the hyper tech world of today....

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I think I'm getting old but I have some older bikes and cars because I appreciate the simplicity and I like to think of myself as a young modern man but my favorite part of buying my gen1 over gen 2 was the analog tachometer. I fell more. Connected to bikes with less electronics although I think the safety aids are nice.
I took work with electronics and have a good understanding of them and IMO the biggest fault of modern electronics is moving away from so like control circuits with relays and letting integrated control boards and CPUs control everything. It's easy to trace and fix a relay circuit but when the computer screen freezes up or it's not putting out the voltage that it should be you can't really diagnose anything... it's just broken. For me in my job the controls issues are typically some input or output in the network isn't speaking to the software and often times it just need to be rebooted. Customer calls because the whole bank is hot, they wit 2 hours for me to get there and 2 hours for me to test and determine it's not mechanical, 2 days for a controls guy to make it out and hit a few buttons and it happens again in a year. . Luckily I have the ability to manually bypass the controls and get stuff working while we wait.... and I do that with relays lol.

 

[lund]

Hahaha, I think it depends on what you guys mean by less electronics. I certainly appreciate fuel injection, electronic ignition and engine monitoring.
Can't imaging having to replace points and setting floats on carb's on the side of the road, hahaha.
Everything got 100 folds more reliable when electronics started to be introduced.

 

[Chav]

Hahaha, I think it depends on what you guys mean by less electronics. I certainly appreciate fuel injection, electronic ignition and engine monitoring.
Can't imaging having to replace points and setting floats on carb's on the side of the road, hahaha.
Everything got 100 folds more reliable when electronics started to be introduced.

There is a balance. Fuel injection, electronic ignition, abs, traction control are all wonderful upgrades for sure. I have 2 bikes with points still and they never break but they require much attention so I totally agree. I think the fine line has been crossed. Many tiger 900s are having issues with the bikes shutting off while riding and then just restarting with no rhyme or reason, the KYMS are having issues with electronics where the bike needs to be stopped and power cycled to work correctly. Again, no fix or reason why it happened in site. Same with BMW and the new Harley pan am. Most people not getting stranded but some are. It's my opinion the fine line has been crossed when the mechanics at the dealer can't even come up with why it happens or how to fix it. Just shoulder shrugs.

 

[Purificator81]

There is a balance. Fuel injection, electronic ignition, abs, traction control are all wonderful upgrades for sure. I have 2 bikes with points still and they never break but they require much attention so I totally agree. I think the fine line has been crossed. Many tiger 900s are having issues with the bikes shutting off while riding and then just restarting with no rhyme or reason, the KYMS are having issues with electronics where the bike needs to be stopped and power cycled to work correctly. Again, no fix or reason why it happened in site. Same with BMW and the new Harley pan am. Most people not getting stranded but some are. It's my opinion the fine line has been crossed when the mechanics at the dealer can't even come up with why it happens or how to fix it. Just shoulder shrugs.

Absolutely, I am by no mean rulling out these basic and fundamental electronics of AbS, TC, fuel injection, UBS, cruise control, etc...
I would however not consider electronic suspension for instance...just saying

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[Chav]

Absolutely, I am by no mean rulling out these basic and fundamental electronics of AbS, TC, fuel injection, UBS, cruise control, etc...
I would however not consider electronic suspension for instance...just saying

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The Harley Pan am issues are starting to be tracked down to not having enough battery and stator power. All the fancy stuff for the TFT dash And ride height control etc .. is not getting enough juuce on start up and the bikes are just having all sorts of weird starting issues and random CELs. The electronic suspension is what pushed me to the tenere. I decided I didn't want it and the only way to get it is the super tenere or the tiger 900 rally pro . I wanted shaft drive and I found my gen1 ST with only 2k miles on it. Figured this is my last shot to own a bike all muddled up with electronics before I don't have a choice so I jumped on it.

 

[Purificator81]

The Harley Pan am issues are starting to be tracked down to not having enough battery and stator power. All the fancy stuff for the TFT dash And ride height control etc .. is not getting enough juuce on start up and the bikes are just having all sorts of weird starting issues and random CELs. The electronic suspension is what pushed me to the tenere. I decided I didn't want it and the only way to get it is the super tenere or the tiger 900 rally pro . I wanted shaft drive and I found my gen1 ST with only 2k miles on it. Figured this is my last shot to own a bike all muddled up with electronics before I don't have a choice so I jumped on it.

I just got my ohlins for rear shock and fork...there was no way for me to do such an upgrade if I had an ES version....mine is 2012...and I managed to send the ECU to Germany for a flash which provides better results in the gen1 compared to the gen2...
again, when I ride I go to mountains and remote places...I enjoy the peacefulness the S10 provides me by also being away from all digitalisation filled with frequencies

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[Chav]

I just got my ohlins for rear shock and fork...there was no way for me to do such an upgrade if I had an ES version....mine is 2012...and I managed to send the ECU to Germany for a flash which provides better results in the gen1 compared to the gen2...
again, when I ride I go to mountains and remote places...I enjoy the peacefulness the S10 provides me by also being away from all digitalisation filled with frequencies

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I plan on doing much the same as you. I need to upgrade the spring to handle me and the wife and luggage. I'm hoping I can buy a spring based on weight.

 

[thughes317]

I purposely replaced my tried-and-true S10 with a go-fast hooligan bike equipped with all the cutting-edge gee whiz electronic magic....because that's what I wanted. No regerts.......YMMV.

 

[Purificator81]

I purposely replaced my tried-and-true S10 with a go-fast hooligan bike equipped with all the cutting-edge gee whiz electronic magic....because that's what I wanted. No regerts.......YMMV.

Which bike was that?

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[thughes317]

KTM 1290 SAS

 

[Purificator81]

KTM 1290 SAS

I rode it as I was traveling with a buddy...the bike is insane ! LoL the suspension was phenomenal and as it was the R version there wasn't that much of electronics compared to the S version I guess

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[Chav]

I rode it as I was traveling with a buddy...the bike is insane ! LoL the suspension was phenomenal and as it was the R version there wasn't that much of electronics compared to the S version I guess

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They are incredibleachines indeed. I really like the 890s and the 1290 is hard to hate too. My top priority was reliability and that is the S10s wheel house. I'm not saying you but a lot of people overlook what a bikes purpose is. It's easy to say the KTM is better because it has more power and better suspension and for the right purpose that would be true. It's all about getting the bike that fulfills the needs you want it to rather than expecting all bikes to be everything.

 

[Purificator81]

They are incredibleachines indeed. I really like the 890s and the 1290 is hard to hate too. My top priority was reliability and that is the S10s wheel house. I'm not saying you but a lot of people overlook what a bikes purpose is. It's easy to say the KTM is better because it has more power and better suspension and for the right purpose that would be true. It's all about getting the bike that fulfills the needs you want it to rather than expecting all bikes to be everything.

Reliability was my top priority as well.
The KTM was fun but during the same trip nmu buddy got so frustrated with the overheating...he had to dismantle the radiator and the water pump to realise that the oil was spilling into the coolant through the pumps gasket....so every 100km he had to add water and we were riding under 45C temperature...subsequently the gear selector fell off out of nowhere and we had to look for a tool Smith to get the right tool and fix it again...meanwhile my S10 was like a work donkey sitting there waiting for us to sort out everything and move on....

And by the way the amount of heat that the KTM was generating was just too much!! Could not cope with it...

And finally, my buddy always rides it in offroad mode because it caps the HP to 100 instead of 170 I think...otherwise it scares him a lot if he goes to road mode or sport mode as the bike just wants to do jump

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[Sierra1]

Yet more reasons to keep, and love, my "old boring slipper".