Paul466
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Hope so, Been hearing KTM has some reliability issues…..
You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?
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The kickstand(s) interference. The handguard and windshield interference. WTF? Some of his complaints are subjective. Chain v. shaft? That will be debated from now until the end of time. But those two interference issues are minor but unacceptable. He's right, did nobody talk together about the offending parts? Apparently, computer aided design was not used. And does it really have a 4k rpm redline? Makes for a lot of shifting unless the powerband works well I guess.
There's been some guys here that have ridden it. Is this guy just bustin' on the Harley or do y'all agree with the crappy handling and brakes? I've read an awful lot of reviews saying how great a bike it is. Which is it?
Paul466
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Front of it looks like Soviet fridge….
Or an old vacuum. I originally thought the looks were trying to make a statement, but now, seeing the subpar designs, maybe they just threw the front end together. He kept say shark's mouth. Not seeing it. Looks great from every angle except the front.
I'm also curious if other Harley riders really aren't accepting it. I've always thought a Harley was a Harley.
Paul466
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I dig the lowering suspension idea
Geology Rocks
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I am considering the AT but the issue is they keep adding tech to the bike and the more you read on it the more issues people are having. For a tubeless/cruise version you are $15k+ when I can get a comparable S10 for $11k. $4k is a lot of gas and trips.
There's somebody else doing that too; BMW I think. @Tenman showed a Harley sales sheet that listed the adaptive suspension as a $1,500 option.
Keep in mind that the AT is the better bike off road over the Tenere, but the Tenere is far superior on road. So, depending on your future plans, that might sway your decision one way or the other.
The AT 2024...they say direct injection (or maybe double injection), and something interesting they say (who knows if it's true)...they talk about supercharging.….with all this, they could get close to 130hp (thinking about reliability)…
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2024 Honda Africa Twin on Its Way
It’s been four years since the latest Africa Twin was released. New competition from BMW, KTM, and Ducati calls for a serious update to Honda’s big ADV.
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Madhatter
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the norden 901 is in my eye one of the better looking bikes out there today (looks normal ) . it weighs less than a Tenere 1200 (as one ages it becomes a possible thing ) , has all the most up to date safety stuff (advanced ABS) , and has good power ( run like a spotted ass ape ) to weight ratio ... the Austin dealer has a 2023 priced at 13500,00 ( but my Tenere is paid for ) plus TTL (and the Farkles your going to need ) so the temptation is there but what I have is probably , well is the best thing for me ... it will serve many more years .
Purificator81
ride until the end of endless road...
the only advantage of AT on offroad is the 21 front wheel and the chain with reduces the weight a little bit...otherwise no comparable advantage offroad...and by the time you get used to the s10 offroad these limitations start to fade away
Geology Rocks
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I am primarily a road rider who does fire and mildly maintained forest roads. I don’t ride hard off road. I like the AT a lot. The touch screen and other issues do concern me a bit.
Purificator81
ride until the end of endless road...
what are the other issues?
I liked the adjustability of different aspects like suspension, ABS, TC etc....it is not like a beemer that dictate each riding mode on you as if you are in a group tourists guided by a sherpa...
I would expect that AT electronics be ok in terms of reliability but whether I would use them frequenly I am not sure....my S10 is my remote area, simplicity and less tech heaven....
I'm a pavement princess so I don't know. But the dirt guys here have said those few little things make a big difference in true off-road.
Boris
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40kgs is more that a little bit lighter, which along with the 21in front wheel and time you get used to riding it, is fairly significant.
Purificator81
ride until the end of endless road...
Could be indeed. But the same people around me here say that AT feels heavier due to its high center of gravity despite being lighter than S10... it is certainly subjectif but I agree that pounds for pounds AT is lighter and 40kgs is not negligeable
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Tenforeplay
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All that electronic gadgetry is really nice when it is working but how many years down the road and how much abuse will it take before it starts to wear and tear? Takes pretty good engineering and specs, like airplane quality stuff imo. Mechanical is much easier to engineer.
I wish these youtube reviewers or someone would calculate CoG on their test bikes, that would eliminate a lot of this fluff going on. That can be calculated simply with a couple scales and a way to lift one wheel a determined height off the ground. This would show the weight and height of the CoG and distance between the wheels. Like a set of race scales and a 4 post lift, which I don't have anymore. And do this with a predetermined amount of fuel that all bikes have the ability to carry would take that variable out of the equation.
Another thing I wish they would include is power under the curve available. If someone would use a predetermined rpm range, say from 3000 to 7000 or whatever that would be acceptable to use on all models, or maybe two ranges, 3-7k, and 5-12k rpm. That might eliminate or bring light to this horsepower race. Which brings up another point. Some of these bikes verge on the need to use race gas to make the power available, and I'll bet some of the fuel/dyno graphs used oxygenated fuels. So someone proud of their high hp bike might not be making that power on 91 octane. And the ability to use 87 octane to power around is more appealing to myself than paying an extra $.90 a gallon for hp I won't use unless I rev the thing to 7k or above.
And if a person would look at the stroke of the crank they can tell where the power is going to be made, The super ten with its 80mm stroke makes the power at a lower rpm, which might be more useable to some.
Okay, I'm done. Caffeine refill please.
Still haven't bought my Tenere, but I'm this close...
I wish these youtube reviewers or someone would calculate CoG on their test bikes, that would eliminate a lot of this fluff going on. That can be calculated simply with a couple scales and a way to lift one wheel a determined height off the ground. This would show the weight and height of the CoG and distance between the wheels. Like a set of race scales and a 4 post lift, which I don't have anymore. And do this with a predetermined amount of fuel that all bikes have the ability to carry would take that variable out of the equation.
Another thing I wish they would include is power under the curve available. If someone would use a predetermined rpm range, say from 3000 to 7000 or whatever that would be acceptable to use on all models, or maybe two ranges, 3-7k, and 5-12k rpm. That might eliminate or bring light to this horsepower race. Which brings up another point. Some of these bikes verge on the need to use race gas to make the power available, and I'll bet some of the fuel/dyno graphs used oxygenated fuels. So someone proud of their high hp bike might not be making that power on 91 octane. And the ability to use 87 octane to power around is more appealing to myself than paying an extra $.90 a gallon for hp I won't use unless I rev the thing to 7k or above.
And if a person would look at the stroke of the crank they can tell where the power is going to be made, The super ten with its 80mm stroke makes the power at a lower rpm, which might be more useable to some.
Okay, I'm done. Caffeine refill please.
Still haven't bought my Tenere, but I'm this close...
I haven't read any articles on sport or sport tourers in a long time. But back in the day they would have "roll-on" comparisons. 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear from 45mph to 70mph. I agree, it was very useful to find out "real world" performance. Back then the Ninja 1000 was the fastest bike at 160 mph. But in roll on comparos, the FJ would destroy it but could "only" do 152mph. I don't know why they couldn't do this same type of testing with ADV bikes.
Geology Rocks
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From my reading, there are rust issues, poor quality paint, touch panel issues, gas tank issues, maybe fork issues, and some are reporting vibrations in the bars that put their hands to sleep. As someone with significant nerve damage in their body, the vibration one is a huge concern.
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Make sure you fit because the seat height on that thing is really up there.
Dshane
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I just checked with a local dealer in New Hampshire, they gave an out the door price of $18069. I asked what was the extra 1770 for? Set up fees, shipping and paperwork. He then said he may be able to do 17000 out the door.....I think I will hang onto my paid for 2017 for a while. I wanted to upgrade to ES and have all the miles put on by me. I bought the '17 used, well cared for but still used.