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sail2xxs said:
JohnB, if you get a Qwest, I'd be very interested in your thoughts on it! I have an RF1000 and really like it, but it's time (6 years) is up.
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Chris, I have a Shoei RF1100 that is very quiet when I'm riding my Street Triple but it's somewhat noisy when riding the S10. I think it's designed for the more leaned over riding position of the Triumph. I'm hoping the Qwest will do the job for the more upright riding position of the S10. I'll give the Qwest a test soon and report back.
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I am 5'10" and running the OEM tall with side deflectors (OEM) and I am very happy with it. I have yet to find a "perfect windscreen" IMHO it is impossible. People will spend their entire lives trying to find the perfect windscreen, I find whats good enough and go riding.
 

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Slightly off topic, but several people in this thread are talking about noise, and helmets, hoping for a quieter option/solution. Nothing wrong with that, but ear plugs are an easy and excellent solution for noise issues. Most people will still suffer long term hearing loss at freeway speeds with helmets on. It's slow and insidious, but also permanent loss. Before you spend another $4-700 on a helmet that's supposed to be quieter, try some cheap foam earplugs.

Find a local safety supply store in your area and you can pick up a wide selection of different styles for cheap. Find what fits and is comfortable and buy a box. It will take years to use them up.

Yes, you can still hear helmet comm just fine in almost all cases. some times you need a bit more volume, sometimes less, since the white noise of the wind is reduced. It takes a little time to get used to it. It also reduces fatigue on long rides. This is a fairly well documented issue, noise is a fatigue factor. Reduce that and you've lowered your body's stress level and it has an appreciable impact on how you feel at the end of day of riding. Especially if you're at higher speeds, (55+), all day. Works in convertibles like the Miata with the top down all day too, fwiw.

5'11", 31" inseam, CalSci Med screen with Yamaha side wings. No adjustment bracket. I'm not super picky about screens, but the shorter oem screen just didn't cut it for me. The CalSci does the job and I still get a little air to the neck, but no buffeting. My 5'4", 30" inseam wife seemed to like the CalSci Med just fine too when she rides my Super Ten.
 

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Point well taken, EV, and a good suggestion in general. There is probably a lot more noise than most of us realize. I wear earplugs, and I'm going to invest in some fancy schmancy form-fitted ones this spring. They are awesome, so I've been told, and go in very easy. It's a good habit to get into regardless. My hearing is really screwed up after years of abuse. You younger guys should all be doing this, and for us older guys, further damage can be halted.


Great idea. I heard that loud and clear. I think. What ??? Say what ????? R ::008::
 

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I wear earplugs, and I'm going to invest in some fancy schmancy form-fitted ones this spring. They are awesome, so I've been told, and go in very easy.
There are different kinds, so get as much feedback as you can before deciding on which ones you want. I had custom earmold monitors by Now Hear This. The molds were done at the IMS in Seattle when I was there, got the finished product a week or so later. Quality and fit was excellent, sound was out-fing-standing. Could use a lot less volume and hear music much better. Not cheap.

I didn't have any discomfort issues wearing these all day, day after day for a 6 day, 20 hours a day rally. Some folks swear by various lubricants or poly/neosporin.

However, I found that for actual noise suppression, the earmolds were not as effective as the cheap industrial foam earplugs. I'm not all that much of a music while riding guy, and didn't use comm at the time, so ended up not using them and going back to foam earplugs. I like the 3M 1100 ones, the wife likes Howard Leight Laser Lite, which I find comfortable enough too. The Laser Lites are more shaped and softer foam than the 3M 1100s, which are more industrial.

I ended up giving the monitors to a friend, who had them re-done for himself. (they just re-used the monitors/wires, all new molds for his ear canals). Didn't save him much money. :( He is nearly bald and had a conductive noise issue. Tap his helmet, even lightly, and it was a loud noise he could hear clearly. Eventually this was found to be because his earmolds were in enough contact with the helmet, and his lack of hair, that it conducted the sound directly. Not that the earmolds didn't fit correctly, or were not blocking audible sound, but anything hitting his helmet was directly transfered in a conductive manner. Very annoying for him. He was wearing an Arai top end helmet.

Some other nearly bald guys I know use Challengers which are a hard mold instead of the softer silicone type of Now Hear This. They seem to have better results and no conductive noise issues. They do seem to be more consistent users of some type of lube though. (one guy just moistens them with spit before inserting)

Hope that helps.
 

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Still slightly off topic :). I didn't like using earplugs before, now I'm not comfortable without them at highway speeds. I can hear my G4 blue tooth well. Now I use them every time I use power tools, lawn mower, leaf blower, etc. Earplugs are definitely an easy solution for noise.
 

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EricV said:
Slightly off topic, but several people in this thread are talking about noise, and helmets, hoping for a quieter option/solution. Nothing wrong with that, but ear plugs are an easy and excellent solution for noise issues. Most people will still suffer long term hearing loss at freeway speeds with helmets on. It's slow and insidious, but also permanent loss. Before you spend another $4-700 on a helmet that's supposed to be quieter, try some cheap foam earplugs.

Find a local safety supply store in your area and you can pick up a wide selection of different styles for cheap. Find what fits and is comfortable and buy a box. It will take years to use them up.

Yes, you can still hear helmet comm just fine in almost all cases. some times you need a bit more volume, sometimes less, since the white noise of the wind is reduced. It takes a little time to get used to it. It also reduces fatigue on long rides. This is a fairly well documented issue, noise is a fatigue factor. Reduce that and you've lowered your body's stress level and it has an appreciable impact on how you feel at the end of day of riding. Especially if you're at higher speeds, (55+), all day. Works in convertibles like the Miata with the top down all day too, fwiw.

5'11", 31" inseam, CalSci Med screen with Yamaha side wings. No adjustment bracket. I'm not super picky about screens, but the shorter oem screen just didn't cut it for me. The CalSci does the job and I still get a little air to the neck, but no buffeting. My 5'4", 30" inseam wife seemed to like the CalSci Med just fine too when she rides my Super Ten.

I refuse to wear ear plugs. If I ear plugs how would I be able to hear emergency response vehicle behind me ( police , fire , ambulances etc ) or coming out of an intersection in front of me ? Or even hear a car horn that's trying to warn me of something ? In many states wearing ear plugs or ear phones while driving is illegal for that purpose.

JT
 

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JTWY said:
I refuse to wear ear plugs. If I ear plugs how would I be able to hear emergency response vehicle behind me ( police , fire , ambulances etc ) or coming out of an intersection in front of me ? Or even hear a car horn that's trying to warn me of something ? In many states wearing ear plugs or ear phones while driving is illegal for that purpose.

JT
You hear all that just fine, w/o those sounds competing with wind noise. Before you refuse, you might want to try it and see for yourself what it's like. Pretty cheap experiment.
 

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JTWY said:
I refuse to wear ear plugs. If I ear plugs how would I be able to hear emergency response vehicle behind me ( police , fire , ambulances etc ) or coming out of an intersection in front of me ? Or even hear a car horn that's trying to warn me of something ? In many states wearing ear plugs or ear phones while driving is illegal for that purpose.

JT
You'd be amazed how much better you can hear all of this WITH earplugs in and your hearing isn't competing with all the wind noise. Plus, on long trips the constant white noise of the wind is fatiguing. I don't even like riding to the corner convenience store without plugs...
 

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JTWY said:
I refuse to wear ear plugs. If I ear plugs how would I be able to hear emergency response vehicle behind me ( police , fire , ambulances etc ) or coming out of an intersection in front of me ? Or even hear a car horn that's trying to warn me of something ? In many states wearing ear plugs or ear phones while driving is illegal for that purpose.
I'll let the others whip you with wet noodles about the hearing emergency vehicles issue, but I can absolutely guarantee you that you'll suffer pretty severe tinnitus if you ride motorcycles for a full career without hearing protection. While I started using plugs religiously twenty years ago, the 25-years prior to this of not wearing them, both motorcycling and airplane flying, has left me with a 747 constantly taxing in my head. Believe me, you don't want this! And then there is the acceleration in loss of high-freq hearing which makes subtitles and close captioning almost a requirement to understand dialogue in a movie or TV show. No fun.

BTW, some states are a little ambiguous, but they all have exceptions that allow use of earplugs for motorcycling. It's usually worded as saying that they are legal if they allow you to hear emergency vehicles and if they are designed to attenuate injurious levels of noise. This is usually interpreted as saying you're fine if you wearing them for hearing protection. Listening to music, bluetooth, etc. are in more of a gray area, although I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble.

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markjenn said:
I'll let the others whip you with wet noodles about the hearing emergency vehicles issue, but I can absolutely guarantee you that you'll suffer pretty severe tinnitus if you ride motorcycles for a full career without hearing protection. While I started using plugs religiously twenty years ago, the 25-years prior to this of not wearing them, both motorcycling and airplane flying, has left me with a 747 constantly taxing in my head. Believe me, you don't want this! And then there is the acceleration in loss of high-freq hearing which makes subtitles and close captioning almost a requirement to understand dialogue in a movie or TV show. No fun.

BTW, some states are a little ambiguous, but they all have exceptions that allow use of earplugs for motorcycling. It's usually worded as saying that they are legal if they allow you to hear emergency vehicles and if they are designed to attenuate injurious levels of noise. This is usually interpreted as saying you're fine if you wearing them for hearing protection. Listening to music, bluetooth, etc. are in more of a gray area, although I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble.

- Mark
Well , I've been riding for over 40 years ( Mini bikes , to dirt bikes , to dual sports to street bikes etc... ) and I have never wore ear plugs and don't have any hearing troubles. I've rode with no helmet , skull caps , half helmets , 3/4 helmets and modular and full face helmets and my ears are fine. :) I'm just gonna find a helmet that is a little quieter than the one I have now and call it good. I hate the feeling of anything sticking in my ears. :) ::013::
 

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JTWY said:
Well , I've been riding for over 40 years ( Mini bikes , to dirt bikes , to dual sports to street bikes etc... ) and I have never wore ear plugs and don't have any hearing troubles. I've rode with no helmet , skull caps , half helmets , 3/4 helmets and modular and full face helmets and my ears are fine. :) I'm just gonna find a helmet that is a little quieter than the one I have now and call it good. I hate the feeling of anything sticking in my ears. :) ::013::
JT, do what works for you. But a bit of advice, go get a hearing test. If for no other reason, it will establish a base line for where you are now, so that down the road a few years or many, you will know for sure if you have a shift in your hearing. Hearing loss is cumulative and often a slow process that we don't notice until you catch yourself going "huh?" or missing conversation in a crowded room. It never comes back.
 

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JT, do what works for you. But a bit of advice, go get a hearing test. If for no other reason, it will establish a base line for where you are now, so that down the road a few years or many, you will know for sure if you have a shift in your hearing. Hearing loss is cumulative and often a slow process that we don't notice until you catch yourself going "huh?" or missing conversation in a crowded room. It never comes back.
Trust me , there is nothing wrong with my hearing. I hear little noises ( with the TV playing ) in the house my wife doesn't hear and I can hear the mailman coming down the street ( with the windows closed and the TV on ) way before he even gets to my house. I'm not spending money on a hearing test. I hear just fine. ( if I didn't , I would have stepped right on that rattler while rabbit hunting last year :D )
 

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I hear just fine. ( if I didn't , I would have stepped right on that rattler while rabbit hunting last year :D )
In that case, get an EYE test! Ya should have seen it first! ;) :D :D
 

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I guess the Question,,is do you like to look over,,or through you windscreen,,for serious off road there is only 1 choise,,,it can't be high,,for touring,,well somewhat higher,,the new National Cycle Tenere Screens are super nice,,priced rite,,3 differnt flavors!!
 

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I guess the Question,,is do you like to look over,,or through you windscreen,,for serious off road there is only 1 choise,,,it can't be high,,for touring,,well somewhat higher,,the new National Cycle Tenere Screens are super nice,,priced rite,,3 differnt flavors!!
Good question. I prefer to look over windscreens. The sole exception to that has been a HD Road King, that required an enormous screen to be comfortable and it was what it was. The CalSci Med, for my 5'11" 31" inseam is something I look over easily and provides the protection I want, w/o buffeting.
 

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In that case, get an EYE test! Ya should have seen it first! ;) :D :D

You'd be surprised at how well the blend in with the scenery. After I shot the snake ( several times ) I asked my hunting partner Don to hold it's head down with a stick while I cut the tail off , he said sure and then said where is it ? I said , your stepping on it Don. :)
That said though , your right , I'm over due for an eye exam . :)

 

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I found the stock windscreen totally useless even in the highest position. I am 6'6 and was tired of the turbulance at any moderate speed and ended up removing it. I now have the higher version, this is about 4 inches taller then the stock model and am quite happy with the results.
 

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I'm 6'1" / 31" and was happy with the stock setup until I got an Arai XD4. Now the peak vibrates in the wind and drives me crazy. Can true happiness be found in a dual sport helmet with a shield you look over?
 
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