A.A.R.P. put out a stat the other day: 95% of covid deaths were over the age of 50. And while I believe the numbers are correct, I don't think they provide an "accurate" picture. Vaccination status and condition of health were not mentioned.
Will you take the vaccine
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lund
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Well I got my email saying its my time. Darn, still on the fence but will probably doit.
pooh and xtine
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Our excess deaths in the UK are substantially higher than expected over the past 6 months, but the Government steadfastly refuses to disclose the vaccination status of those dying, even though this data is readily available.
Its called Data Protection.
WJBertrand
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Same experience for me. But they fell before the vaccines became available, so no fault of their own.
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WJBertrand
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If it’s readily available perhaps you can research it yourself and present the results publicly? Be sure to include all search criteria, filters, methods and succinct cause and effect data. The latter not to be confused with correlation.
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pooh and xtine
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Naturally it would be inappropriate to disclose vaccination status with individual names (!), but the data showing the proportion and age distribution of recent deaths would help to inform the debate around the causes of the far higher than expected excess deaths over the past six months. Only actuaries seem engaged in identifying the causes at present, which is odd given our headless chicken panic around covid. However, the data is not available. Just as Pfizer still haven’t released their clinical trial results, this is data we’re not going to see.
We sacked staff from jobs in care homes for the elderly who wouldn’t have the vaccine because the science told us that it prevented infection and transmission. Then we realised the science was wrong. The science quickly identified that the vaccines were cytotoxic and increased the risk of blood clots, myocarditis and pericarditis. We pressured pregnant women and children to take the vaccine. We vaccinated people who were at negligible risk from covid.
Before taking the covid vaccine it’s worth thinking about:
Are you really at risk?
Are you sure the vaccines have been adequately tested over a long enough period of time?
Given that current variants are mild, shouldn’t you let your immune system deal with the virus?
Are you fully aware of the risks of taking the vaccine, particularly the risks of many repeated doses?
What evidence is there regarding the extent to which the vaccine reduces the severity of covid and how long is that protection effective for?
You can’t unvaccinate yourself!
Scientists were sure that they adequately tested Thalidomide, the miracle cure for morning sickness.
We sacked staff from jobs in care homes for the elderly who wouldn’t have the vaccine because the science told us that it prevented infection and transmission. Then we realised the science was wrong. The science quickly identified that the vaccines were cytotoxic and increased the risk of blood clots, myocarditis and pericarditis. We pressured pregnant women and children to take the vaccine. We vaccinated people who were at negligible risk from covid.
Before taking the covid vaccine it’s worth thinking about:
Are you really at risk?
Are you sure the vaccines have been adequately tested over a long enough period of time?
Given that current variants are mild, shouldn’t you let your immune system deal with the virus?
Are you fully aware of the risks of taking the vaccine, particularly the risks of many repeated doses?
What evidence is there regarding the extent to which the vaccine reduces the severity of covid and how long is that protection effective for?
You can’t unvaccinate yourself!
Scientists were sure that they adequately tested Thalidomide, the miracle cure for morning sickness.
You are trolling now. You keep saying WE ALL THE TIME. Practically everything you say is incorrect. You are just trying to force your will on people. This thread has explained just about everything. You have explained NOTHING. You obviously have an Agenda. What is it ?
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and yours just happen to differ from most data and the views of most people.
Including boosters and of the 7.8 billion total people in the world, there have now been 12.94 BILLION shots given, so yes, the vaccines have been adequately tested and how seldom people have side effects has been extremely well documented. Also true for knowing the risks, and documenting that the boosters DO reduce long term COVID. The facts just don't support your assertions or fears.
Regardless, your wanting to have your own opinions is what make us individuals.
The news agencies around here don't even do covid updates anymore. The numbers for covid deaths and even hospitalizations were so low it made them irrelevant. Right now, RSV is running rampant around here.
Personally, I believe all of these "sudden deaths" have been going on long before covid. A buddy of mine said that he noticed, 20 years ago, that 40 seemed to be when people started dropping like flies. He had been reading obits (
) and notice that there were more 40-50 year olds than other groups. He said that this bothered him since 40 wasn't/isn't considered "old". He said he wanted the obits to say why a person died. I remember I looked for a couple of weeks and he was right, more 40s than other ages.
My point is: plenty of people die "for no apparent reason". And have been for long before covid vaccinations. Even young healthy athletic people. Keep in mind . . . . nobody gets out alive, enjoy the time you have.
Hell, we ride two wheeled instruments of death . . . . and we're worried about vaccinations?
Personally, I believe all of these "sudden deaths" have been going on long before covid. A buddy of mine said that he noticed, 20 years ago, that 40 seemed to be when people started dropping like flies. He had been reading obits (
) and notice that there were more 40-50 year olds than other groups. He said that this bothered him since 40 wasn't/isn't considered "old". He said he wanted the obits to say why a person died. I remember I looked for a couple of weeks and he was right, more 40s than other ages.My point is: plenty of people die "for no apparent reason". And have been for long before covid vaccinations. Even young healthy athletic people. Keep in mind . . . . nobody gets out alive, enjoy the time you have.
Hell, we ride two wheeled instruments of death . . . . and we're worried about vaccinations?
Quique
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Are you really at risk?
Very lightly, because I am vaccinated. Before, yes.
Are you sure the vaccines have been adequately tested over a long enough period of time?
The period of time is not important
Given that current variants are mild, shouldn’t you let your immune system deal with the virus?
The current variants are not mild
Are you fully aware of the risks of taking the vaccine, particularly the risks of many repeated doses?
Yes. As for the repeated doses, I am in doubt, that's why I am not taking them
What evidence is there regarding the extent to which the vaccine reduces the severity of covid and how long is that protection effective for?
Plenty. For ever.
Very lightly, because I am vaccinated. Before, yes.
Are you sure the vaccines have been adequately tested over a long enough period of time?
The period of time is not important
Given that current variants are mild, shouldn’t you let your immune system deal with the virus?
The current variants are not mild
Are you fully aware of the risks of taking the vaccine, particularly the risks of many repeated doses?
Yes. As for the repeated doses, I am in doubt, that's why I am not taking them
What evidence is there regarding the extent to which the vaccine reduces the severity of covid and how long is that protection effective for?
Plenty. For ever.
Quique
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hahaha well said
WJBertrand
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Ha ha! That puts it in perspective doesn't it? My favorite was the anti-vaxer they were interviewing on a local TV station just as the vaccines were becoming available. They were doing a kind of man on the street response reporting and ended up in a McDonalds. When the reporter asked him if he would get the vaccination he said "hell no!, I don't have any idea what kinda crap is in it!" As he finishes that reply he stuffs another Chicken McNugget in his mouth. I about fell off the couch laughing.
Quique
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And well, I am the man who defends the environment and rides a motorcycle for fun. You can laugh at me too. What can I do? I like motorcycles.
Quique
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You can quit the motorcycles and get vaccinated. You will be veeeery safe.
Got my second booster last week Thursday. Friday got some mild symptoms. Slow, not feeling well, sweating like a pig etc. Went to work anyway and by diner-time I was back to normal. Now let’s see what winter brings us.
RIVA
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I received my third booster yesterday and as with all the previous shots, I have no adverse symptoms. Obviously I am pro vaccine but looking at the deaths to date, covid is still in the top 10 killers. I wonder if this is just the way that the death rate worldwide is calculated . How effective is the vaccine. Here in Éire covid is the no. 3 cause of death and has been in this position since September 2021. The link is to tfe deaths attributed to covid worldwide and countries are in alphabetical order.
www.worldlifeexpectancy.com
SELECTED DEATHS VS COVID-19 WORLD
See how Covid-19 Deaths rank against selected causes worldwide.
www.worldlifeexpectancy.com
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