i ride with 3 mates on 1200 gsa, i,m the only tenere.
but i do like 1200 gsa but love my tenere TO much to swop
but i do like 1200 gsa but love my tenere TO much to swop
Super Tenere no longer the heaviest adventure bike...
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RogerRZ
Well-Known Member
toys don't have to be reliable...they have to make you smile
p.s.
this is not really the point here or my intention to discuss reliability.
This. On that note, however, while the Super T is supremely competent, and I have absolutely no regrets in purchasing it, only makes me smile due to the things it lets me experience.
The bike in the picture makes me smile just by looking at it. The fact that it's as reliable as a 43 year old claw hammer is just icing on the cake...
one more comment about reliability, when we talk about it we should take into account number of units sold and on the road,
because BMW GS beats Yamaha in adventure segment completely. E.g. in Australia there is not even yamaha bikes on the list...
More units sold = more potential problems for any brand.
the same result or worst on other continents I bet.
because BMW GS beats Yamaha in adventure segment completely. E.g. in Australia there is not even yamaha bikes on the list...
More units sold = more potential problems for any brand.
the same result or worst on other continents I bet.
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ballisticexchris
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It does not matter which one of these beasts you get. All these over 1000cc adventure bikes are very heavy. When you are pushing 600lbs another 50-100 lbs is not much to bitch about.
WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
Total sales don’t matter. Any valid statistical analysis would normalize problems to a percentage of the total number or report problems per 100 units sold or some such, which must consider the total units sold to be meaningful. Reporting total numbers of problems alone is meaningless.
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ballisticexchris
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I have my own way of checking reliability issues of bikes. I just take a look in the service department of random dealers and see what problems these bikes are having. An example is the 08-10 KTM RC4 bikes. Defective piston and rings were the main problems. Plastic oil pump gear failures and oil migration were also an issue. I almost bought one of those bikes but ran away after seeing dozens of motors pulled and being rebuilt on new bikes with hardly any hours on them. I ended up with a rock solid Beta. This bike is nowhere near the money pit of my KTM.
MIKE R
Well-Known Member
Why do you ride around naked?
maybe these are "valid" statistical analysis but there're not correct. A sample needs to be big enough to be representative. Total sales do matter.
Hence today we have many so called studies based on statistics pulled from researchers arses used in politics and media BS.
You mean....you don't? Except for the helmet, of course.
WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
Yup, you do need a minimum sample size. Responsible entities like Consumer Reports and JD Power will not report on a brand or model with too small a sample size. "Valid" and "correct" are synonymous for the purposes of this discussion unless one wants to deflect the discussion and play semantics.
I agree; but they are apples and oranges. Love them both; but for different reasons. In MY opinion, the FJR steering is heavy at slow speeds, making it feel heavy. The Tenere is a sport bike in disguise.
I doubt there are very many passengers less than 100lbs. Point being that it does not matter which bike/brand you ride....you'll be adding at least 100lbs sooner or later.
Xclimation
Well-Known Member
When shopping and comparing Adventure/dual sport bikes over 1000cc I made a spreadsheet with comparisons using many things such as price, weight, torque, HP, etc. After testing a few of the bikes...I'm more than convinced many of the manufacturers are lying. Especially on weight and power. Not to long ago a I watched dyno on Youtube with a KTM 1190R that was not putting out advertised numbers by 20hp. If I remember correctly...Yamaha uses wet weight on the Tenere.
Cycledude
Well-Known Member
Took 1190 KTM for a ride last summer, nice bike but I think it puts out a lot less horse power than KTM claims.
and does it really matter? whatever it is it is too much to handle for most of us and still lots of more then ST.
You cannot even compare those two engines. KTM can wheelie almost on any gear.
It's not that companies are lying about some figures, they just test it in different environment.
They may be lying a bit about emission though to pass BS standards.
tallpaul
Well-Known Member
Good news then, no need to remove any emissions adaptions from the bike if the figures they give are BS anyway. Shows they must not be doing anything at all...
Tenman
Well-Known Member
another 50- 100lbs would be the difference in me picking mine back up. Seems to get heavier every year
Nikolajsen
"Keep it simple"
Uh..I like the lower right AT 