stuck in ouray, co - grinding/rattling noise cam chain area

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I find it amusing that it was KLR that replaced the S10. The two bikes I have in my garage...

A great bike replace a great bike,at least temporarily.

Good luck on the rest of the trip.
 

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I think its doable on a heavier bike, just a little more work on those steps. I'd say 85-90% of the pass is fairly easy.
Subsequent runs would be easier because now i know where the turns go and what the road is like stuff like that. Having said that, would I take my tenere up there, probably not unless I resided locally. There are 2 spots to perform a very careful turn around on the way down just before the steps from what I recall. I think I saw a one way sign somewhere too but when unsure, screw the sign. I saw 2 atvs headed in the opposite direction.
Off to last dolla and imogene ::001::
 

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shrekonwheels said:
Curious, before this failure did you have a grinding feeling during hard acceleration?
Well, i don't know what you call hard acceleration. I don't roll on it "all the way" and never from stop.
But no unusual vibrations have been observed prior, just an intermittent ping. Then at some point a clearly audible grinding noise just started. I believe when one half of the broken spring turned and started chewing the motor case that's when it turned loud.
 

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The answer as to why yamaha instructed Craig to use a 13 basket rather then 14 is because according to the rep I spoke with, they do not test 14 parts on 13. And while they may very well be retrofitable "at own risk" parts, a 13 part remains a 13 part and 14 part remains a 14 part, at least for the clutch basket and at least for now. 14 basket is cheaper too. It took some time to get them thinking, but in the end that was a response from their tech department.
 

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432Hz said:
The answer as to why yamaha instructed Craig to use a 13 basket rather then 14 is because according to the rep I spoke with, they do not test 14 parts on 13. And while they may very well be retrofitable "at own risk" parts, a 13 part remains a 13 part and 14 part remains a 14 part, at least for the clutch basket and at least for now. 14 basket is cheaper too. It took some time to get them thinking, but in the end that was a response from their tech department.
Thanks for passing on their explanation and for taking the issue to Yamaha. ::008::

It's good when we the riders can get the the mother ship thinking! ::024::

Paul
 

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432Hz,

Thanks for stopping by camp at Ouray glad to have met and see your monster of a bike running.
Since you had a few days on it has anything changed since the fix?
 

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Ramseybella said:
432Hz,

Thanks for stopping by camp at Ouray glad to have met and see your monster of a bike running.
Since you had a few days on it has anything changed since the fix?
Hey brother, great meeting you too! I wish I could hang out longer there and do some riding together ::003::
She seems to be running well. I didn't go any further with what I had planned and made it back home instead. Saw a black Tenere on I 70 heading west I believe in Ohio? It was in one of them unfortunate GMO corn field states. She ran strong, no issues so far in 2400 something miles that I put on her since I picked her up. I did a couple of passes on the Tenere back in Colorado before I left, no issues. I may be hearing new ticking sounds from the engine, not sure if they were there before or not. There were loose metal pieces when they opened her up. They dumped the original oil and filter, dumped the oil pan, cleaned that out, put new basket, new gaskets/seals, put new oil and filter, ran her for 30+ miles, dumped oil and filter again, then put new oil and filter.
Performance wise I haven't noticed any negative changes. Still running like a diesel and sounding like a tractor ::012:: Whatever metal that was there, I couldn't tell you if it affected anything mechanically and any kind of wear without opening everything up. I suppose any fine steel and aluminum that may have remained there would be caught by a filter. So I will dump the oil tomorrow and filter and see what it looks like. I will have to contact Yamaha one of these days about the engine case grinds, which they have agreed to rectify, so we'll see about that.

I do want to say that the guys at Davis are really cool and stand up guys ::008:: Craig - service manager and Jeremiah who worked on my bike. Lincoln who offered to loan me a bike to run to the city for lunch after we arrived with a tow truck and everyone else there for keeping good vibes around the place. As someone said in previous posts, it was a good place to break down. Better not break down at all and just keep on riding ::001::

Are you still touring?
 

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No!!
I am at home Bailed out of Ouray the next day big rain heading in.
I headed up to Grand Junction I-70 west to 191 then Moab, La Sal mountains didn't look promising when i arrived looked like Moses and God was having a conversation up top.
Stayed outside of Canyon land NP at Horse thief campground nice CG $15.00.
Next day same thing heavy rain heading in headed south to Pagosa Springs Mountains full of clouds and rain.
Just went home at that point. :'(
 

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Re: stuck in ouray, co - grinding/rattling noise cam chain area - UPDATE

It's been a while for this thread. But I'd like to post an update and rag a little.
Since I have returned from Colorado last year, I contacted Action Yamaha in Metuchen, NJ that did valve check before I left. As I mentioned they played no part in the basket spring failure. Yamaha ok'd engine case replacement under warranty. I have to dig out a list that I got from Action, but many parts got replaced along, seals, gaskets, bearings, circlips, etc and pistons! What? Not sure why pistons got replaced but whatever.

I was very patient and I asked them not to work on the bike if they are too busy or otherwise not in a constructive mood. I have also asked to set the valves to highest possible clearance since they will be transferring components to the new case anyway. They kept the bike for 2 months. That was okay by me and it was cold anyway. I also took care of the guys really well at the pick up.

I then walk outside to start the bike. She coughed a few times and then started up. Bike had almost no gas in it. I could have swore I had a quarter tank when I dropped it off. I questioned whether it was difficult to put at least a gallon in there so its not run it on empty. At that point I was offered gas, but I declined because I was going to head straight to the gas station and this would be more valuable prior to this. I wonder how test ride with an empty tank went. Either way, my satisfaction went down with them right there which was duly noted. I was told, I'd be taken care of next time. Gotta love those next times!

Before leaving, I inquired on the valve adjustment to the highest clearance per manual specs, I was told it was done. No original values have been written anywhere but I was assured that it was done by the service manager. Reluctantly I attempted to believe it.

So I rode the bike home, rode fine.
When I arrived, I noticed that the metal clutch line was not secured to the holder on the frame. I secured that. More points off for action.

I left the bike sitting for a few days and then took it out again. Misfires when downshifting and blipping the throttle.
Haven't had those in a long time since the TB sync and reflash. At that point I decided to go over the bike first and then call action and note misfires. A few other things I found were, the main harness was incorrectly routed through the right side. OEM re-usable zip tie that holds wiring under the right cover towards the lower part has been cut and left there I guess for maintaining bike balance. A clip that holds thick main harness piece on the right side has been broken. While the clip fits in, it easily pops out. I called action and noted all of this and the misfires. I was explained that perhaps its a gas issue, who knows what they blend for the winter. While this is true, I will be patient and see how the bike performs in spring as temps warm up. This was all going on in november, december of 2014 and it was very cold here by the way. While I was on the phone, I asked again about the valves and at that point service manager was unable to give me a straight answer whether they reset valves to the highest clearance or not although my request has been noted on the original work order. Service manager started to get defensive and noted that he was only a human and will have mechanic who did the work contact me. I guess the mechanic is non human or beyond human who cant seem to figure out how to open up reusable OEM zip clips. At this point I reminded him that I specifically noted not to rush anything and take time with the bike. I don't know how you can not recall if you did the valves or not. So I take it they did not do it and lied. When I got a call from mechanic, he also could not recall if they did anything with valves, but he had no notes on this. They only recalled working on the valves when I brought it in and paid for clearance check before the trip.

I have decided to wait for spring time when I can do some longer riding and feel things out. No point of talking to someone who does not take notes and has intermittent case of amnesia.

Couple of notes for the future, not to tip until the bike has been thoroughly tested. Come back and tip later if satisfied and will be noted to the mechanic. The best mechanic is the caring owner, regardless of what regional yamaha rep says. None of them really care about someones ride. Regardless of the amount of time is given to the dealer to do the work, they still find a way to screw it up and blame it on being human.

I am still concerned why the pistons were changed, what else was changed along with the pistons. No rings or cylinder heads were noted in the paperwork. They do not recall anything. I assume that original pistons and rings had worked their business out with the cylinder walls during original break in period and after. So I have yet to establish if there is going to be oil consumption which was not existent before this warranty job. Just waiting for warmer temps, put some miles on, get some feedback. Got a long trip planned for august, looking forward for this to end up right.

Here is Yamahas problem. Their presentation at the bike show vs the so called competition. Go to a triumph or bmw, everything is pristine. Go to yamaha, and you will find sloppy put together bikes, broken auxiliary lights just hanging there on two electrical wires. I says to the rep, are you guys going to fix this or is your tenere going to sit there with a hanging piaa light like that. I come back an hour later and guess what, the light still there, hanging for its life like the cliffhanger, looking to find its way up. This carelessness trickled down to the service department. I know there are still good shops out there, just a matter of locating one, but the owner is the ultimate. If only yamaha would reimburse owners for the self performed warranty work.
 

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Oh how I appreciate finding a fella (or two) that actually holds HIMSELF to a high standard of accountability.

When you find them, you will usually see someone who gets paid fairly for his\her hours, AND will be in demand by others.
I've been fortunate to know some. I consider them friends now too.

Good luck!
 

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I'm sorry to hear your saga continues.

My experience at the local Yamaha technicians has also been less then satisfactory. They seem to be the "young guys" with little experience and, in my case, never before worked on a ST. That was one of the factors that influenced my move to BMW.

Paul
 

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Big Blu said:
I'm sorry to hear your saga continues.

My experience at the local Yamaha technicians has also been less then satisfactory. They seem to be the "young guys" with little experience and, in my case, never before worked on a ST. That was one of the factors that influenced my move to BMW.

Paul
I guess you found the BMW isn't so great after all. Your need to come back here on a consistent basis shows you never really moved. The reason I moved from BMW, besides their overpriced bikes of crappy quality, was the constant denial of the dealership to admit there were any problems that they actually heard of. If a CCT issue is the worst of it here, I'd say that is better than 99% of the entire BMW production for the last 30 years.
 

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It’s true that a lot of Yamaha mechanics have very little experience with major repairs like engine case exchange.
That’s where a BMW mechanic would have way more experience and daily hands on experience with major overhauls.
 

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Sorry to hear you had so much aggravation with the dealer. Yes they are only human and we all make mistakes but it sucks when you pay them and then have to live with or correct their mistakes or at least have to take it back and argue with them. I would not single out Yamaha though, I think it is hit or miss with any dealer of any brand. A mechanic you can trust is worth his weight in gold! This is a big part of why I do a all my own work (also I am cheap!) and could give a flip about any warranty. Once I leave the dealer they will never see it again unless the engine blows on the way home or something like that. It has never happened. Yes I have screwed it up a few times but no more and I think less, than the kids at the dealer. And then it is MY fault so I fix it and don't get POéd at anyone but myself. YMMV
Sorry for the rant, I really just wanted to say on the:
I am still concerned why the pistons were changed, what else was changed along with the pistons. No rings or cylinder heads were noted in the paperwork.
The pistons and rings come as a set. It is kind of screwed up in the parts list as they show a separate line number and a part number for piston and another for the rings. But if you look real close, they are both the SAME number. ??? And if you order 2 pistons and two ring sets, you get 4 piston/ring sets! Or about about $150 of extra parts. ::)
 

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My local motorcycle dealer Santa Fe Motorsports Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki and KTM Service manager refused to synchronize my throttle bodies.
I asked why and he wouldn't give me an answer and walked away.
I have to say it is an under paid and thankless job, but hey! if you decided you wanted to be a motorcycle mechanic then be one. ::009::
The scary part is they work on vehicles that have to have zero tolerance for error, something goes wrong on two wheels while moving your F**ked!!

In short the service manager is not overseeing the work being preformed and giving the thumbs up after completion and letting this shit get passed on to you!!
He is the guy that needs to be questioned with the owner present.
I started taking quick detailed photos of my bike before letting the Jumanji Monkeys work on it.

Lucky I have a Local mechanic I have been going to for years who cares but take it to Bobby J's in Albuquerque for big motor stuff (still under Warranty).

Any plans on heading out west again this year?
 

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eemsreno said:
It’s true that a lot of Yamaha mechanics have very little experience with major repairs like engine case exchange.
That’s where a BMW mechanic would have way more experience and daily hands on experience with major overhauls.
I've been here in SW Florida for 12 year and the BMW master techs at the three local dealers have been at those dealer long before I arrived. They're all mature skilled professional, and with the exception of one that's a cranky old bastard, have treated me with respect and I've been happy with their work. Each of the dealerships has several demo bikes and they encourage me to take a demo ride while I'm waiting, or overnight if necessary. My go-to dealer(BMW-Ducati-KTM) in Fort Myers, will reset the service indicator for any BMW rider that shows up and makes the request. They fires up the grill every Saturdays and has free burgers, wurst, sausage, dog, and soda.... all riders are welcome. It's a far different treatment then the remaining two Yamaha dealers provide.

My old go-to Yamaha dealer closed the doors a year ago. It was a single line dealership for Yamaha bikes, boats, and ATV's. He closed because Yamaha continued to raise the quota on units, even those with no market in the area, and they offered him no relief. Sad to see him go, Will, the owner, always took good care of me, even when his wrench turners didn't.

I'm not trying to get into a BMW vs. Yamaha debate, simply sharing my resent experience with both brands. Take it for what it's worth, no offense intended.

jeager22, how many mile do you have on that beast?

Paul
 

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eemsreno said:
It’s true that a lot of Yamaha mechanics have very little experience with major repairs like engine case exchange.
That’s where a BMW mechanic would have way more experience and daily hands on experience with major overhauls.
Well yea, that is work they have to do often :p

Seriously though, I think this is part of the problem with Metric Bikes, there are so many differnt engine designs as well as electronic features it requires a more broad knowledge for any metric bike Mechanic regardless of brand.
I have always struggled to understand why the Japs (my wife is Asian so save the lecture) do not carry motors over from other bikes more often, it would save tehm quit a chunk of change and create a more satisfactory dealership experience overall.

I cannot comment on dealership work, I have been very fortunate over the years. It does seem the handful of BMW Dealerships I went into were less pressure, more relaxed sales environment while the Japanese are always trying to make a quick buck.
It seems that Metric stores often are filled to the brim with accessories and clothing trying to make up for the poor profit margin on their bikes.

With that said the EU dealerships close by here are all mixed in with Metric. A good friend who works at a dealership states that getting parts for their Husq Brand is nearly impossible with horrid customer service on the Euro end.
He does not have that problem with his Metric Suppliers.

I dono, I will remain where I am for now. The Tenere has way, way less maint costs over the BMW./ For giggles I visited a GS website last night, I was surprised their Maintenance section was filled with problems while ours is filled with mods and other stuff.

Not saying they are inferior or not, I grew out of that nonsense long ago, just saying what I saw :) Whatever you ride and enjoy should be your choice.
 

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I just wrote that to harass you. Sorry.
I do go to a lot of shops and the only ones that even talk to me are the Harley dealers and the European shops.
Most of the Jap shops if they do try to talk to me don’t have a clue what they are saying. And act like they have never ridden a bike. No traveling experience at all.
I’m always looking for good shops to visit and they are very few and far between.
One time I stopped in at the Yamaha shop in Cedar Rapids, Iowa that has been featured in Dealer News Mag. for having a Sales Person Collage, teaching how to be a salesman.
I ask them if they had any XT 1200s in.
Salesman--- Is that a boat?
Me---- Do I look like a boater? no it’s a Yamaha motorcycle.
Salesman---I have never heard of it.
Me--- It’s Yamahas biggest Xt model.
Salesman XT ? what is that?
Me ---You need to go back to your school for some more training.
Me--- XT Yamahas have been around for ever. They made XT125s, XT200s, XT225s, XT250s, XT350s, XT500s, XT600s, And now the XT1200.
Salesman ---Never heard of them.
He then went and got the sales manager that apologized for his salesman not knowing much about the Yamaha motorcycles.

As a matter of fact my favorite Iowa shop is Gina’s BMW They may have just sold out to the Honda dealer I heard though.

Steve

Ps sorry for the detour from Stuck in Ouray To Stuck in Iowa waiting for spring.
 
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