Skidding with ABS

[fender5803]

Exactly!

I have tried but can't tell who he is or what it has to do with the topic. So, who is he you have been pointing out please-?? So enlighten us please ...
-DT

 

[20valves]

...Seriously telling people to grab a hand full of front brake is the equivilant to suicide on dirt. I got by with that in my circumstance due to many years of competition racing track riding and serious off road riding....I know the difference between a real dirtbike and a streetbike. This is all fun and games until someone gets killed on this thing off road due to the ABS....ABS has it's place and that place is not off road. Anyone tells you different is clueless about the differences and what ever I say or someone else says won't change it.

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You're screwing with us, you can't possibly be for real. What a joke.

 

[Tremor38]

Front brake is used on the dirt but that was on bikes with no damn ABS grabbing letting go grabbing letting go. : The way I had to slow the S10 that one time was not the correct way to stop a motorcycle off road. Y'all keep doing what ever flips your burger, a body cast awaits you when that big 600# monster tucks the front end from excessive panic on the front brake or simply goes over the edge of the mountain because it wouldn't stop. ::009::

Yes, if that's the mindset you are stuck in, then by all means disable the ABS.

I was having a hard time believing how well this bike's ABS works, so I checked it out. I was fully geared up and prepared for some hairy moments or possibly a crash. After about 10 or so runs to a full stop down loose rocky terrain and then through deep gravel, I had to agree that his ABS works very well off road....I'm talking about just grabbing the front brake and squeezing hard. The bike just comes to a stop with no drama whatsoever....no 'tucking' of the front end, no on/off, herky jerky sensation, but just a smooth stop. Don't get stuck in some old mentality; technology evolves..though some of us have a problem evolving with it.

That's not to say there aren't situations were disabling the ABS might be preferable or more comfortable. The extreme downhill grades sound like a good candidate, but to go to a polar extreme and say the ABS on this bike is worthless off road is is really reaching, Roy.

I urge you to go out and make another blind leap of faith without the 'do or die' situation you had before. The test doesn't have to be in the same steep downhill, loose rock grade you spoke of but take the bike out in some semi challenging off road surfaces, start squeezing the front brake and see what happens. I think you'll be surprised, and might actually be able to wrap you mind around something other than what has been years of mental conditioning once you experience it.

 

[omeo s10]

y'all just have never rode a REAL dirtbike obviously. : Seriously telling people to grab a hand full of front brake is the equivilant to suicide on dirt. I got by with that in my circumstance due to many years of competition racing track riding and serious off road riding. I'm not saying don't ever touch a front brake on a dirtbike but you don't use it very often or at least fast guys don't. Yes once your an expert a certain amount of front trail braking will help but that's not for every one. An off road riders crutch is the rear brake with no friggin ABS. ::010:: It is used to steer the bike as well. Let's not fool our selves here into thinking the S10 is a dirtbike, it's not, no where near it. It's a big nice touring streetbike capable of a gravel road or three something all motorcycles will do. I know the difference between a real dirtbike and a streetbike. This is all fun and games until someone gets killed on this thing off road due to the ABS. Trust me it's going to happen. I am not here to debate the ABS non ABS issue I simply do not think everyone should be told it's ok it'll do it all for you, it won't! ABS has it's place and that place is not off road. Anyone tells you different is clueless about the differences and what ever I say or someone else says won't change it.

Roy, I,ve got a mate down the road who still reckons that countersteering is not the way you steer a bike. He's 63 this year, I hold out little hope for him and he will go to the grave thinking that. Whats really sad is that he has a general air of authority about him which means that some people believe him, so they are of the opinion that counter steering doesnt work. He has some other views that are just false or out of date, they too are passed on. He maintains these views despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (and what could be easier to try for yourself than countersteering). It seems to me that you are doing a similar thing with ABS on the S10. You are certainly wrong in your conclusions and you are being listened to by less experienced riders who may die or be seriously hurt by taking on board your rigid attitude. If what you claim is true, dont you think there would be many people making very loud noises and indeed taking legal action? Dont dig yourself a bigger hole than the one you already are in, take a deep breath and check out the situation in a reational way, it sounds like you have more than enough experience to do that.
cheers

 

[roy]

I love it, the more he speaks, the more we know about the less he knows.

You can lead a horse to water.....oh, wait, this horse is dead. ::002:: ::002:: In that case, get off the horse.

Don't make it personal Phil. I have a very good past of really riding a motorcycle under a professional racing atmosphere. You on the other hand are what the internet really is. Look me up www.WERA.com I have racing stats which mean I rode with the best at a high level. I'm sure all I can google on you is facebook

If I tell you the ABS is scary on gravel then so what. Keep fooling yourself about this but then again at 5-10 mph nothing will ever happen most likely. Charge a corner on gravel (if you know how) and get back with me on the ABS.

I'm done with this stupid conversation y'all go kill yourself on this thing. Then my insurance can go through the roof and I'll unload it to the highest bidder.

A simple off switch is all that is needed. Some of use don't need nannies to ride. we cut our teeth on real motorcycles not BMW's and Goldwings just saying.

 

[roy]

Roy, I,ve got a mate down the road who still reckons that countersteering is not the way you steer a bike. He's 63 this year, I hold out little hope for him and he will go to the grave thinking that. Whats really sad is that he has a general air of authority about him which means that some people believe him, so they are of the opinion that counter steering doesnt work. He has some other views that are just false or out of date, they too are passed on. He maintains these views despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (and what could be easier to try for yourself than countersteering). It seems to me that you are doing a similar thing with ABS on the S10. You are certainly wrong in your conclusions and you are being listened to by less experienced riders who may die or be seriously hurt by taking on board your rigid attitude. If what you claim is true, dont you think there would be many people making very loud noises and indeed taking legal action? Dont dig yourself a bigger hole than the one you already are in, take a deep breath and check out the situation in a reational way, it sounds like you have more than enough experience to do that.
cheers

WRONG!!

I'm not the one digging the hole you people are I am just throwing the dirt in the hole.

As I said I'm done with this y'all go wreck because that is where you are headed trusting a computer on gravel\dirt. If you never get out of first gear then maybe I will be proven wrong )

ABS off road is still stupid.

 

[GrahamD]

A simple off switch is all that is needed. Some of use don't need nannies to ride.

Ok, I saw a cool orange coloured switch someone insalled somewhere. Looks pretty good, All you have to do is wire it to activate a big 30A realy sitting across where the ABS fuse was and you should be go.

Anyone remember seeing that? Would it work for Roy?

 

[roy]

Ok, I saw a cool orange coloured switch someone insalled somewhere. Looks pretty good, All you have to do is wire it to activate a big 30A realy sitting across where the ABS fuse was and you should be go.

Anyone remember seeing that? Would it work for Roy?

Sounds good count me in, and thanks!

 

[GrahamD]

Method 1.
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Method 2
Wasps "hooligan Switch thread..
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=953.0

Method 3

Still looking for that funky switch..
This will work
http://www.off-the-road.de/XT-1200-Z/ABS-off-switch-XT-1200-Z.html

but the one I saw was way funkier.

 

[Blue_eyes]

For those of you who are looking for an ABS off switch: Look at http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=733.0

I already posted this link on page 2 of this topic but apparently some peoples eyes are covered with mud.

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[Blue_eyes]

Ok, I saw a cool orange coloured switch someone insalled somewhere. Looks pretty good, All you have to do is wire it to activate a big 30A realy sitting across where the ABS fuse was and you should be go.

Anyone remember seeing that? Would it work for Roy?

Probably a KTM switch. Take a peek at the KTM website, they have all sorts of cool stuff including switches.

 

[20valves]

For those of you who are looking for an.....off switch

Only for Roy's self promoting BS, I'd like to turn that off. I still think he's messing with us, no one could possibly believe the nonsense he's spewing. Joke's on us, right Roy? ::003::

 

[Firefight911]

Don't make it personal Phil. I have a very good past of really riding a motorcycle under a professional racing atmosphere. You on the other hand are what the internet really is. Look me up www.WERA.com I have racing stats which mean I rode with the best at a high level. I'm sure all I can google on you is facebook

If I tell you the ABS is scary on gravel then so what. Keep fooling yourself about this but then again at 5-10 mph nothing will ever happen most likely. Charge a corner on gravel (if you know how) and get back with me on the ABS.

I'm done with this stupid conversation y'all go kill yourself on this thing. Then my insurance can go through the roof and I'll unload it to the highest bidder.

A simple off switch is all that is needed. Some of use don't need nannies to ride. we cut our teeth on real motorcycles not BMW's and Goldwings just saying.

Hey, Roy, no one cares about your supposed resume. I'd tell you to go look up the WERA Grand National Finals from the year I raced them but they're probably yellowed at best in the archaic vault. Your coming in here and espousing your prowess is meaningless as it relates to this topic and conveersation. Come on by and you can look at my I love me wall though. But, as I said, no one cares. I'll give Wayne, Scott, Doug, and Kenny a call. Maybe they'll come over for a good laugh at someone who doesn't get it. Oh, and when we're done, give Terry Vance a call. Yea, I raced for him when Dave Sadowski and Thomas Stevens were on the National team. Putz!

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[limey]

Your turn Roy, this is good. ::017::

 

[Tremor38]

Hey, Roy, no one cares about your supposed resume. I'd tell you to go look up the WERA Grand National Finals from the year I raced them but they're probably yellowed at best in the archaic vault. Your coming in here and espousing your prowess is meaningless as it relates to this topic and conveersation. Come on by and you can look at my I love me wall though. But, as I said, no one cares. I'll give Wayne, Scott, Doug, and Kenny a call. Maybe they'll come over for a good laugh at someone who doesn't get it. Oh, and when we're done, give Terry Vance a call. Yea, I raced for him when Dave Sadowski and Thomas Stevens were on the National team. Putz!

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Prolly time to just quite feeding the putz, lest we want to hear him trot out is illustrious credentials over and over again 8)

 

[eemsreno]

Hey if Roy gets to post his resume, I get to.
This is me playing the way I like to play.

 

[Mellow]

I think the key is to know your machine and both IT and YOUR limitations.

There are many that can take a dirt bike and push it to it's limits and really look impressive.

The S10 compared to a real dirt bike is a big, overpowered, heavy pig. Simple as that. But, it's not meant to catch 20 feet of air while you wave and wait for camera flashes... Those that push this bike hard well, that's fine if YOU feel like YOU are not near YOUR or the bikes limitations.

If I do trails on this bike I'm going to give my self the buffer I need - as much as my limited experience can detect - and not push the bike until I've had more time to adjust my understanding of IT and MY limitations.

The worst rider on the best dirt bike is going to have problems. I like to say Valentino Rossi on a scooter with a head cold can run circles around me on an R6 on my best day. Sorry, I don't know any motocross celebrities.

Would turning off ABS be a good option? I'm certain it would HOWEVER, YOU would then need to understand how that changes/affects the limitations of the bike. ABS or not, learning how the bike handles in certain situations is the best education possible and adjusting your actions to adapt to those in a way that will allow you to live also helps.. LOL

Now, I can only write all the above because I read THIS book.

 

[colorider]

Hot topic. Is there a previous thread dealing with this, I didn't do a search.
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Yes (yawn), and I'm sure there will be many more.....


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Now, back to my Maui vacation!!

 

[Venture]

Yes (yawn), and I'm sure there will be many more.....

Oh! Oh, can we talk about lock-out hubs next? I haven't had a good lock-out hub argument in YEARS.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Hey if Roy gets to post his resume, I get to.
This is me playing the way I like to play.

Be careful when you land. If you touch that lever on the right side of the handlebar you're going to crash...good luck...noob.