Mandatory recall coming: Hard start

[stomp347]

Um, there's a recall coming. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw the recall notice at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Thank you for the laugh today, certainly appreciate it!!

 

[iClint]

Yeah, I bet Abraham Lincoln also had an iPhone

Joking apart, I wonder if the statement that "the ECU shuts off the fuel injection in the start mode if it is WOT" is correct. That would be interesting.

it's throttle by wire, there is no physical connection to the throttle bodies. holding WOT might make one feel better but it certainly isn't opening the the throttle bodies 100% from 0-idle RPM the most they open is about 5%.

if somehow the bike becomes flooded the only thing that is going to get it started is time or pulling the plugs and removing the excess fuel.

 

[Juan]

it's throttle by wire, there is no physical connection to the throttle bodies. holding WOT might make one feel better but it certainly isn't opening the the throttle bodies 100% from 0-idle RPM the most they open is about 5%.

if somehow the bike becomes flooded the only thing that is going to get it started is time or pulling the plugs and removing the excess fuel.

Agreed. But my query was why remove the #4 fuse if WOT has the same effect?

 

[Checkswrecks]

Holding the throttle open does add some air.
Pulling the fuse cuts the fuel.
Same net result.

 

[eemsreno]

Well after 124,000 starting fine miles, a couple weeks ago I had the no start problem.
It would not start. Could smell fuel. I went to wide open after a couple turn overs but nothing. I pulled the FI fuse and it started right up then died, reinstalled the fuse and it started right up like nothing had ever been wrong. Definitely just a random thing. I had ridden and put it away like always nothing different in its routine at all.
This problem could be a very bad deal if remote camping in the wild and the next morning you have a no start. I do hope they are coming out with a fix. This has gone on long enough.

 

[Checkswrecks]

After this many miles it sounds more like a typical fuel injection issue, not the classic hard start.
I'd strongly suggest removing the injectors and getting them properly cleaned.

 

[iClint]

Agreed. But my query was why remove the #4 fuse if WOT has the same effect?

By time one removes the seat gets the hex key, removes the right side panel removes the fuse cranks the bike... enough time has passed to have cleared a minor flooding issue (assuming that is in fact the case). Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[eemsreno]

After this many miles it sounds more like a typical fuel injection issue, not the classic hard start.
I'd strongly suggest removing the injectors and getting them properly cleaned.

I would think that if it was a typical fuel injection issue , that it wouldn't start right up and run so perfect as it has for the 1,000 miles that I have put on after that incident.

Actually I just now got off of it from a 120 mile run and it has never ever run better. This bike is fantastic!

 

[Big Blu]

I would think that if it was a typical fuel injection issue , that it wouldn't start right up and run so perfect as it has for the 1,000 miles that I have put on after that incident.

Actually I just now got off of it from a 120 mile run and it has never ever run better. This bike is fantastic!

I gotta agree with ya, doesn't sound like an injector issue.

Paul

 

[squarebore]

Had another hard start today. Last start was yesterday. Went like this: crank, no start. Crank, no start. WOT crank, start. Magic. Don't know why it works, it just does.


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[murdock2002]

WOT = Without Throttle?

 

[JRE]

Wide open throttle

 

[murdock2002]

So assuming you have to wide open the throttle before pushing the ignition button, are folks then able to close the thornless and allow the bike to run at idle, or does the throttle need to be kept wide open (and I guess keeping revs very high?)...?

I only ask because my new 2015 will be arriving in a few months and want to figure out what to expect/do if the engine Does not fire up when I only hit the ignition.

Thanks.

 

[TheHelios]

So assuming you have to wide open the throttle before pushing the ignition button, are folks then able to close the thornless and allow the bike to run at idle, or does the throttle need to be kept wide open (and I guess keeping revs very high?)...?

I only ask because my new 2015 will be arriving in a few months and want to figure out what to expect/do if the engine Does not fire up when I only hit the ignition.

Thanks.

Just WOT until the engine fully turns over. If you keep WOTing after that, then you'll quickly red line.

 

[woods]

The reason for WOT is to help clear the cylinders and possibly dry the wet spark plugs.
Pretty much like a compression release works on a dirt bike.
You can release the throttle after the engine fires off. You maybe have to rev up a couple times to help clear the remaining fuel

 

[EricV]

I only ask because my new 2015 will be arriving in a few months and want to figure out what to expect/do if the engine Does not fire up when I only hit the ignition.

While this issue does exist, it is not something that occurs on a regular basis. Certain behaviors seem to create the hard start condition, but it's more a matter of 'don't do that' and be aware of the issue, so if it occurs to you, you know what to do before aggravating it into a bigger problem. Don't stay up nights losing sleep over this issue. Many people never experience it, or only experience it on rare occasions. I have had it occur in the garage and on a trip, (very cold morning, bike left outside all night, killed the bike because I forgot to put the side stand up and dropped it into gear, then on a steep incline out of the hotel driveway, stalled it, then encountered the hard start. Following the procedure below got the bike started w/o needing to jump to another battery.)

Don't fire up a cold bike, then shut it down w/o fully warming it up, especially if you will then be leaving it for a day or more. This often has occurred in the past when someone pushed a cold bike out in the driveway to wash it, washed the bike, then fired it up to move it back into the garage, then left it for a few days. Next time they attempted to start the bike, they suffered from the hard start issue.

Most important, simply understand that if the bike does not start the first time, follow this simple routine: Turn the kill switch to stop, turn the key off, wait 30 seconds, turn the key back on, turn the kill switch to run, open the throttle 3/4 to WOT, then push and hold the starter. If the bike fires up, release the throttle once it starts running smoothly and it will idle normally. If it doesn't fire up in 20-30 seconds of cranking, STOP. Repeat the cycle outlined after 30 seconds to a minute of waiting with the key off so the starter has some cool down time. Keep repeating the cycle until the bike starts. You may need to jump with a car battery so as to not wear down the bike's battery before it starts.

NOTE: Car battery, Truck battery, etc, as long as it's a 12 volt system will not hurt the bike.

 

[murdock2002]

Thanks all for the quick feedback and advice.

 

[Checkswrecks]

I would think that if it was a typical fuel injection issue , that it wouldn't start right up and run so perfect as it has for the 1,000 miles that I have put on after that incident.

Actually I just now got off of it from a 120 mile run and it has never ever run better. This bike is fantastic!

Injectors can stick open or shut and yours sounds like one that had an intermittent sticking open. It likely stuck open the once, pulling the fuse cleared the extra gas from the cylinder, the operation and engine heat after it started cleared the sticking for now, and life seems good. Sooner or later it'll probably stick again.

There are a number of websites which tell how to do it at home, but paying the little it costs to have them done properly will ensure getting the interiors clean. To me, you got a symptom/clue something abnormal happened, it fit with the symptom of a dirty injector, and there is no potential harm to cleaning them.

 

[ratfink64]

I just purchased a new leftover 2013 S10 about a month ago. Local dealership ran my vin#, the only listed recall was for the headlight harness which had been replaced. No recall for the ECM has been issued for mine yet.

::022::

 

[squarebore]

Bump...any news of a recall?


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