Mandatory recall coming: Hard start

[Big Blu]

Re: Mandatory recall coming: Hard start

I have found some of the messages posted here, and especially a few PM's that I received very disheartening. As it relates to the private messages, I will say to everyone -- there is no need to be rude, or demeaning, simply because you're anonymous behind your computer screen. I have posted information in this thread and others with the intent of being helpful towards other Super Tenere owners; it's as simple as that. I really do not care of you believe me or don't believe me about whether my bike caught on fire, whether a recall is coming, etc. Time will prove my credibility, as the recall is set to be announced within a week.

In so far as the details I have shared are concerned, many details about my 2013 Super Tenere are covered by an NDA. No details about my 2016 are covered by an NDA, and I am free to discuss it. That said, I would like to clarify (and this is OK to share, per my NDA) my bike was NOT flashed at the time of the incident. It was previously flashed, and was subsequently restored to factory settings. Therefore, at the time of the demise of the motorcycle, it was considered to be unflashed.

Best of luck to all in getting this hard start situation rectified via the recall. I hope it's the answer so many have been looking for.

I believe you have done the entire ST community a great service! It's sad that a few ass hats here seem to get pleasure from pissing on the shoes of others.
Thanks for your efforts! ::008::

Paul

 

[EricV]

Eric,
I pulled #4 fuse and hooked up truck battery, cranked it a few times with fuse pulled. It wanted to start and was trying to ignite the fuel from being flooded. I then replaced fuse turned on ignition with kill switch on, turned kill switch off and it started immediately. My issue was they battery was too low to produce a spark or too little a spark if there is such a thing. It was even charged on a trickle/maintenance charger. I may get a new battery. My bike is kept on my cabin porch and gets into teens or 20s at night. Thanks for the advice and happy riding

Evan

Evan, Glad you got the bike started w/o any more drama. You might want to have the battery load tested. Nearly any chain auto parts store or battery shop can do that for you for free and tell you if it has a damaged cell. Voltage can show good, but under load it drops dramatically if there is a bad cell.

One other thing related to your comments. Most EFI bikes won't fire the injectors if battery voltage is below 11 volts or so. Clearly not your initial problem! But possible an issue later, before you jumped with the truck battery.

 

[VRODE]

My 2012 and 2014 start very differently and personally, I'm wondering if part of this isn't related to the low-voltage tolerance of the ECU. Voltage delivery to an individual component and ground plane paths are one of the differences which can affect what seem to be identical machines. Whatever it is I do hope that Yamaha's answer will help people.


The one thing I will caution to not fixate on is a possible release date. I've seen these things accelerate in time and I've seen them suddenly delayed by staff suddenly needing to work on something else. IF this is going to be a recall, the Government office we seem to be waiting on is very thin-staffed.

I'm curious, what is the difference between the 2012 and 2014 in starting?

 

[JRE]

Re: Mandatory recall coming: Hard start

I believe you have done the entire ST community a great service! It's sad that a few ass hats here seem to get pleasure from pissing on the shoes of others.
Thanks for your efforts! ::008::

Paul

::026::

 

[Kurgan]

I think the S10 could benefit a lot from a better starter or starter gearing. I've never had a MC that turned over so slow when starting.

Aprilia Caponord ETV1000, 2006-ish vintage, far slower than the S10. With a brand new fully charged and known to be good Yuasa in it the starting sequence went like this..

Hit and hold starter button
Hear the starter sort of try to turn over the motor and a single "wuh" sound would be heard.
All lights dim out
Nothing for 1 more second
Then the motor would reluctantly turn over and start.

The problem is too high of a resistance in the cabling. There's a company (Motolectric) that sells an upgrade kit for the Caponord and other stubborn bikes (including Ducati, BMW, KTM and other stubborn twins) which includes higher current flowing cables with more strands, less resistance, etc. Guarantees the bike will start in less than 1 second and the videos I've seen show the claims to be true.

At this point, no kits for Yamaha bikes, I wonder if he should be made aware of the S10 possibly needing an upgrade in cabling?

http://motolectric.com/products/electrical_upgrade_kits.html

 

[Defekticon]

Re: Mandatory recall coming: Hard start

I have found some of the messages posted here, and especially a few PM's that I received very disheartening. As it relates to the private messages, I will say to everyone -- there is no need to be rude, or demeaning, simply because you're anonymous behind your computer screen. I have posted information in this thread and others with the intent of being helpful towards other Super Tenere owners; it's as simple as that. I really do not care of you believe me or don't believe me about whether my bike caught on fire, whether a recall is coming, etc. Time will prove my credibility, as the recall is set to be announced within a week.

In so far as the details I have shared are concerned, many details about my 2013 Super Tenere are covered by an NDA. No details about my 2016 are covered by an NDA, and I am free to discuss it. That said, I would like to clarify (and this is OK to share, per my NDA) my bike was NOT flashed at the time of the incident. It was previously flashed, and was subsequently restored to factory settings. Therefore, at the time of the demise of the motorcycle, it was considered to be unflashed.

Best of luck to all in getting this hard start situation rectified via the recall. I hope it's the answer so many have been looking for.

I don't really see how or why anyone on this forum should be rude about any of this. There is absolutely no cause for it. Please post their usernames for public shaming.

 

[JRE]

I have a feeling most if not all was a bleed-over from some of the "fine folk" : over on the advrider forum. Not that it's any excuse.

 

[cb0802]

Guys does disconnecting the battery reset the ECU.?

I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF MY FIRST HARD START ISSUE. TRIED THE WOT BUT NO SUCCESS, GOING TO PULL #4 fuse replace plugs and with plugs out and fuse out turn it over enough to dry out cylinder. Shoot a drop of starter fluid in replace plugs and fusehook to car battery as an aid and see if this fixes it. Any advice is more than welcome. Thanks in advance. By the way I have new gas that's for sure good in tank

As ironic as this may seem, I'm in the exact same situation and tried ALL the recommended solutions. I've changed the plugs, gas, tried to push start, pulled plugs, pressed buttons, kicked it a few times, and cussed a lot. NOTHING is working.

 

[EricV]

As ironic as this may seem, I'm in the exact same situation and tried ALL the recommended solutions. I've changed the plugs, gas, tried to push start, pulled plugs, pressed buttons, kicked it a few times, and cussed a lot. NOTHING is working.

Have you pulled #4 fuse, (fuel injectors), and cranked it until it started to pop? As I explained above, fuel has washed down the cylinder walls and there is low compression because of no oil on the rings. Combine the low compression, flooded combustion chamber and possible poor spark and it's a no win.

Pull the fuse, jump to a car/truck battery and crank it until it tries to fire. This will dry out the combustion chamber and get some oil back to the rings, bringing compression back up.

Now put the fuse back in, key off, kill switch to stop. Now, key on, kill switch to run, try ONE normal start. If it fires up, great. If not, IMMEDIATELY go to at least 3/4 or WOT and start cranking 10-20 seconds, then rest, then repeat. Keep doing that cycle and it should start.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: Mandatory recall coming: Hard start

I have found some of the messages posted here, and especially a few PM's that I received very disheartening. As it relates to the private messages, I will say to everyone -- there is no need to be rude, or demeaning, simply because you're anonymous behind your computer screen. I have posted information in this thread and others with the intent of being helpful towards other Super Tenere owners; it's as simple as that. I really do not care of you believe me or don't believe me about whether my bike caught on fire, whether a recall is coming, etc. Time will prove my credibility, as the recall is set to be announced within a week.

In so far as the details I have shared are concerned, many details about my 2013 Super Tenere are covered by an NDA. No details about my 2016 are covered by an NDA, and I am free to discuss it. That said, I would like to clarify (and this is OK to share, per my NDA) my bike was NOT flashed at the time of the incident. It was previously flashed, and was subsequently restored to factory settings. Therefore, at the time of the demise of the motorcycle, it was considered to be unflashed.

Best of luck to all in getting this hard start situation rectified via the recall. I hope it's the answer so many have been looking for.

I didn't sign up on the Hooligan Rider Forum did I?

PM's are personal Messaging links and as such I see this as a personal attack!
That is going to far please feel free to report such malicious attacks in the future, I certainly would.
::005:: Shame on you folks who do that, Seriously!! ::005::
::020:: Pa`a ka waha! ::020::

 

[Checkswrecks]

I'm curious, what is the difference between the 2012 and 2014 in starting?

The 2012 was always very quick and snappy to start. The day after selling it, the battery died on the new owner, so I gave him the year-old one from my 2014 and put a new one in the 2014.


With both the first and second battery, the 2014 takes longer to start than the 2012 did.

 

[Bryce]

I didn't sign up on the Hooligan Rider Forum did I?

PM's are personal Messaging links and as such I see this as a personal attack!
That is going to far please feel free to report such malicious attacks in the future, I certainly would.
::005:: Shame on you folks who do that, Seriously!! ::005::

I guess we'll all find out tomorrow... or maybe Friday... or maybe there will be some sort of delay... or there won't be a recall

I'm still skeptically optimistic.

I'm sure I'm of the ones everyone thinks was being a PM cyber-bully since I have been outspoken, but I have not had any communication with the OP other than this thread. I'm not afraid to say my say out loud.

For those that are plagued with the hard start issue, I hope there's a fix. For those with a custom flash, I hope there's no "mandatory recall". For everyone else, we can carry on... I'll get the recall done if there is one to hold my YES warranty in tact... if there isn't, I'll continue to worry free, enjoy my bike.

I think this thread is full of wishful thinkers and kool-aid drinkers... I hope you get what you want. Until then, ride more, worry less.

 

[ST-venture]

Get one of those jumper boxes. I never thought they would be a benefit for me, but the hard start I had acouple days back, the jumper box had plenty of power to turn the starter over. The stock battery just doesn't cut it for extended cranking. Of course don't heat up the wiring from too much cranking as fire could result. My wiring was at 55 degrees after 8 minutes cranking doing 50% duty cycle, 30 seconds on, 30 off on a 55 degree day, but that wiring can catch fire if it rises much above 70 degrees.

I have had several of the hard start situations on my 2012 which took varying degrees of effort to get the bike going again. The second (and worst one), I had to have the shop remove the carbon build up on the valves to get it going again. RonH you may be at that point and the valves are sticking open.

 

[Anwar Namtut]

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[cb0802]

Have you pulled #4 fuse, (fuel injectors), and cranked it until it started to pop? As I explained above, fuel has washed down the cylinder walls and there is low compression because of no oil on the rings. Combine the low compression, flooded combustion chamber and possible poor spark and it's a no win.

Pull the fuse, jump to a car/truck battery and crank it until it tries to fire. This will dry out the combustion chamber and get some oil back to the rings, bringing compression back up.

Now put the fuse back in, key off, kill switch to stop. Now, key on, kill switch to run, try ONE normal start. If it fires up, great. If not, IMMEDIATELY go to at least 3/4 or WOT and start cranking 10-20 seonds, then rest, then repeat. Keep doing that cycle and it should start.

It started. FINALY!!!
I almost disregarded your post as I've tried everything you suggested except I didn't "Keep that cycle going". So I pulled the number 4 fuse, again. And hooked it up to my truck battery, again. Cranked it on a 30 on 30 off cycle for several minutes, again. Then plugged the fuse back in and tried to crank, again. Then went WOT, again. Only this time I decided I was going to crank until something either broke or caught on fire. I figure it's not running now, so I'd roll the dice on how much worse it could get. After about 3 or 4 minutes it didn't fire, but did start sounding different. Again it was either going to start or break trying. After another 3 or 4 minutes it fired up and belched out enough noise and fumes to scare my wife and kids.
Glad that's over, but WTF? I'll be the first to admit I thought the Hard Start thing was BS. Well, I'm a beliver now.
Thanks to all for your feedback on this and my other post. I guess the only thing I can do now is ride it and hope for a fix.
CB

 

[EricV]

Glad you got it running!

 

[Maxified]

With both the first and second battery, the 2014 takes longer to start than the 2012 did.

Interesting. I have had the exact opposite experience with my 2015. I even replaced my battery with one with more power but the '12 was remained a slow starter. My new model is a quick starter in comparison.

 

[TheHelios]

ALRIGHT Y'ALL! TODAY'S THE DAYYYYYYY!!!!

Who's got an update on this whole shebang? Did anyone take bets on if this was actually happening?

 

[Bryce]

ALRIGHT Y'ALL! TODAY'S THE DAYYYYYYY!!!!

Who's got an update on this whole shebang? Did anyone take bets on if this was actually happening?

nothing on my VIN according to the NHTSA website. :

 

[JRE]

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