IMS 8.0Gal Rally Tank

[ballisticexchris]

Well Mr Eric, you sure are a rider. OTOH, most of the rider population do not want to do 1000+ miles day in and day out. And no matter what you say, there is no bike on earth that is "comfortable" to ride those kind of miles. Tolerable yes, comfortable no.

I do commend you on all your accomplishments and accolades. You are a very small percentage of riders who are able to pound out those kind of miles. I had my fill of long mile days when I was younger. I'm perfectly happy with 300-500 mile days and enjoying the scenery. Endurance riding is very specialized. Holding in your piss (or external catheter), focusing on nothing but the road ahead, carefully managing fuel stops, unable to stop at points of interest for substantial breaks, etc. There's not ever going to be enough demand for IMS to build a tank for our bikes. There are just way more options for carrying extra fuel.

Modified my stock tank got 6.4 Gallons! Way easier to fill the tank!View attachment 48816View attachment 48817

I forgot about that. I do the same thing to my dirt bike tanks. I'm sure you're already aware of expansion. And in reality you just have to do a few miles from the station before fuel level will be down enough. Thanks for that tip!! That's a great modification.

 

[magic]

Holding in your piss (or external catheter),

You forgot to mention Depends...Sorry guys, but I couldn't resist.

 

[ballisticexchris]

You forgot to mention Depends...Sorry guys, but I couldn't resist.

!!! LMAO

All joking aside that was the biggest challenge when I got my Iron Butt. Was also reminded of my age when I pissed blood after completing it. And then a few years later pissing blood yet again after a 850+ mile Death Valley ride I concluded I was going to get a Super Tenere for the long rides. Dirt bike touring is rough when you get older!!

 

[EricV]

Well Mr Eric, you sure are a rider. OTOH, most of the rider population do not want to do 1000+ miles day in and day out. And no matter what you say, there is no bike on earth that is "comfortable" to ride those kind of miles. Tolerable yes, comfortable no.

I agree, I am part of a small segment of the motorcycle population. But we are talking about the small segment of the motorcycle population that wants a bigger tank. You're not it, so thank you for your comments and move on.

You may not be comfortable on your motorcycle for those kinds of miles, but I and many, many others are. It's a process, not something you just go do. It's not one change, but many small ones. There are also understandings about your own body and how to manage that as well. Hydration, food intake, body movements during riding, etc. You listen to your body, especially in the case of fatigue. You don't hold your fluids in, you deal with it when it arrises. Long, efficient days in the saddle are about managing the stopped time, not managing the riding time.

If you are pissing blood after a ride, you have a medical condition that needs to be discussed with your doctor.

I'm perfectly happy with 300-500 mile days and enjoying the scenery.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Again, you're in a thread discussing a larger tank. If it's not your desire, move on.

Holding in your piss (or external catheter), focusing on nothing but the road ahead, carefully managing fuel stops, unable to stop at points of interest for substantial breaks, etc.

You're doing it wrong. Really wrong. If you're not enjoying it, there is no point it doing it. Again, LD riding is not something you just go do. It's something that has to be learned in order to do it safely and comfortably and while actually enjoying it. That said, every state looks the same at night.

There's not ever going to be enough demand for IMS to build a tank for our bikes.

Did you not read my posts at all?

The people like you that rarely need or want extra fuel will be happy with the alternative methods of carrying extra fuel. And there are many. But for those people that want more fuel on hand for every ride, and not fuel you have to carry separately and dump in, a larger tank or a fuel cell is the method to accomplish that. Fuel cells are often a cheaper route.

Unlike you, I actually have extensive personal, direct experience doing long distance riding. Well over a decade of it. My real world experience trumps your few times you tried it. That tells me you tried it, but not that you did it enough to learn how to do it well. You're not really in a position to offer comments beyond your own preference for not doing it. That means nothing to anyone else and doesn't help anyone else or this thread.

Enjoy riding your bike how ever you enjoy! But please post in threads to share your experience in positive ways and not to just try and tell people that something can't be done. Especially when you don't have experience doing it already. I posted my tank pictures to give people an idea of what is possible and some of the reality of doing it. People interested in a tank from IMS, (which has been talked about on this forum since 2011), will still be interested, but not everyone will wait for IMS, if they ever offer a tank.

 

[SilverBullet]

Eric I just want to know how you fill your tank without putting a foot down? Lol

Just a thought. Could be IMS reconsidering since such a long run of model years for an identical tank. Easier ROI for them. The greatest fear might be investing and releasing a product that only covers a few years of production with limited demand.

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[EricV]

Eric I just want to know how you fill your tank without putting a foot down? Lol

The longer runs were on the FJR with more gas and more range.

Just a thought. Could be IMS reconsidering since such a long run of model years for an identical tank. Easier ROI for them. The greatest fear might be investing and releasing a product that only covers a few years of production with limited demand.

That would make some sense, but they seem to just repeat the same thing every time someone contacts them.

 

[helipilotxtz12]

Well Mr Eric, you sure are a rider. OTOH, most of the rider population do not want to do 1000+ miles day in and day out. And no matter what you say, there is no bike on earth that is "comfortable" to ride those kind of miles. Tolerable yes, comfortable no.

I do commend you on all your accomplishments and accolades. You are a very small percentage of riders who are able to pound out those kind of miles. I had my fill of long mile days when I was younger. I'm perfectly happy with 300-500 mile days and enjoying the scenery. Endurance riding is very specialized. Holding in your piss (or external catheter), focusing on nothing but the road ahead, carefully managing fuel stops, unable to stop at points of interest for substantial breaks, etc. There's not ever going to be enough demand for IMS to build a tank for our bikes. There are just way more options for carrying extra fuel.



I forgot about that. I do the same thing to my dirt bike tanks. I'm sure you're already aware of expansion. And in reality you just have to do a few miles from the station before fuel level will be down enough. Thanks for that tip!! That's a great modification.

Yes if know I am not leaving the gas station for a long ride I don't fill the tank to the brim! It gives about 220 before the last bar drops! Before it was about 185! Plus in Portland and California the gas pumps have a spring loaded Vac system on them! It Mike makes it very difficult to hit the small hole in the tank! Now it's much easier to fill up and not get my hands covered with fuel.

 

[ballisticexchris]

I agree, I am part of a small segment of the motorcycle population. But we are talking about the small segment of the motorcycle population that wants a bigger tank. You're not it, so thank you for your comments and move on.

You may not be comfortable on your motorcycle for those kinds of miles, but I and many, many others are. It's a process, not something you just go do. It's not one change, but many small ones. There are also understandings about your own body and how to manage that as well. Hydration, food intake, body movements during riding, etc. You listen to your body, especially in the case of fatigue. You don't hold your fluids in, you deal with it when it arrises. Long, efficient days in the saddle are about managing the stopped time, not managing the riding time.

If you are pissing blood after a ride, you have a medical condition that needs to be discussed with your doctor.


And there is nothing wrong with that. Again, you're in a thread discussing a larger tank. If it's not your desire, move on.



You're doing it wrong. Really wrong. If you're not enjoying it, there is no point it doing it. Again, LD riding is not something you just go do. It's something that has to be learned in order to do it safely and comfortably and while actually enjoying it. That said, every state looks the same at night.



Did you not read my posts at all?

The people like you that rarely need or want extra fuel will be happy with the alternative methods of carrying extra fuel. And there are many. But for those people that want more fuel on hand for every ride, and not fuel you have to carry separately and dump in, a larger tank or a fuel cell is the method to accomplish that. Fuel cells are often a cheaper route.

Unlike you, I actually have extensive personal, direct experience doing long distance riding. Well over a decade of it. My real world experience trumps your few times you tried it. That tells me you tried it, but not that you did it enough to learn how to do it well. You're not really in a position to offer comments beyond your own preference for not doing it. That means nothing to anyone else and doesn't help anyone else or this thread.

Enjoy riding your bike how ever you enjoy! But please post in threads to share your experience in positive ways and not to just try and tell people that something can't be done. Especially when you don't have experience doing it already. I posted my tank pictures to give people an idea of what is possible and some of the reality of doing it. People interested in a tank from IMS, (which has been talked about on this forum since 2011), will still be interested, but not everyone will wait for IMS, if they ever offer a tank.

It’s cool, my point got lost in the discussion. I actually do have a bit of long distance experience. Granted not as much as you though. I still think a removable temporary tank is the best bang for the buck. IMO, the only reason to have a larger permanent solution is if you are doing endurance rides exclusively for the life of the bike. BTW, pissing blood is the byproduct of riding a dirt bike long distances without a kidney belt.

You still have not said how your fabricated tank is holding up. Do you have a picture of it on the bike? How much does it hold? Can you use a tank bag on it? For your purposes it looks like the hot ticket.

 

[EricV]

My expanded tank holds 8.2 gallons. The finished tank is coated with LineX premium and has a gas cap ring mounted SW-Motech EVO City quick-lock tank bag , (11-15L), on top of it. I still have full view of the gauges w/o changing body position. I only have about 20k miles on it, but have had no leakage or issues of any kind. FWIW, I am 5'11" with a 30"inseam. Only about 10% has been off pavement so far.

 

[ballisticexchris]

My expanded tank holds 8.2 gallons. The finished tank is coated with LineX premium and has a gas cap ring mounted SW-Motech EVO City quick-lock tank bag , (11-15L), on top of it. I still have full view of the gauges w/o changing body position. I only have about 20k miles on it, but have had no leakage or issues of any kind. FWIW, I am 5'11" with a 30"inseam. Only about 10% has been off pavement so far.

Right on Eric, Very cool! Hell with a IMS tank. That’s a nice setup. Looks like a very functional machine for mega miles. It amazes me what some guys are doing with these bikes. Good on you, and well wishes on your endurance rides. My body is tapped out for that kind of riding.

And actually the tank is not bad looking at all once mounted. If it has not leaked yet then I’m willing to bet your good for many miles to come. Again, nice fabrication job.

 

[DamMechanic]

Wish I could still read a tank bag map holder that close

 

[wera688]

I modified my 2003 DL1000 V-Strom tank (5.8 gal stock) to hold 7.3 gallons by cutting off the top welding a section and then re-welding the top. I wanted to do that to my S10 but nobody would take my money (Jaxson probably would) so I opted for a 5.25 gallon aux tank IBA approved from Ernie Azevedo (eazcycle.com). Superior tank build, welds, design. Highly recommended. I now have 11.33 gallon capacity with a range from 400-500 miles. I do a lot of LD riding and when I have to boogie across the country or participate in a rally its at the ready. I dont always keep it full but usually a gallon or two for local riding.

 

[EricV]

Ernie made the aux cell I used for the IBR and many miles after. Fantastic quality and function. He offers aux tanks in pillion location and flat bed design for the Super Ten. Here is a shot of my IBR prepped rally bike. Gen I 2012 Super Ten. Had 50k miles when I hit the start line, 109k when I sold it to get the Gen II. Another member here now is putting more miles on it.

 

[Lux]

How do you know how much fuel you have? Do you just use average mpg to determine range? Is the auxiliary tank turned on and off or is it flowing fuel to the main tank all the time? It's amazing the way IBA riders outfit their bikes. Nice work guys!

 

[Don in Lodi]

How do you know how much fuel you have? Do you just use average mpg to determine range? Is the auxiliary tank turned on and off or is it flowing fuel to the main tank all the time? It's amazing the way IBA riders outfit their bikes. Nice work guys!

The low point is still the factory tank, the gauge still shows the fuel level, it just moves much slower.

 

[EricV]

The capacity of the aux tank is about the math for volume. The real world use confirms what you can really get into it.

In this case the math is the same as the actual useable volume. The flat bed aux tank works like this:

Fill both tanks, aux tank valve off. Ride until you drop a bar or two on the fuel gauge. Open aux tank valve. Now both tanks equalize and the fuel gauge is accurate for both tanks drain together. When you hit reserve, the aux tank is empty, and you still have a gallon in the main tank. You shut off the valve to the aux tank when you stop for gas.

Filling the main tank and the aux tank can be done while still sitting in the saddle.

 

[wera688]

I haven't mastered filling my aux tank from the saddle, that might be someone's you tube video at my expense

 

[EricV]

I haven't mastered filling my aux tank from the saddle, that might be someone's you tube video at my expense

It depends on your set up, but to a degree, it's a learned process. Really helpful in rally mode is the muscle memory of doing something like this the same way every time. I sometimes even forget to put the side stand down when filling up, in part because I prefer to center the bike while filling the main tank.