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Guaging Interest: Potential Suspension Group Buy
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I am sorry to hear you have bad experiences in the past with different brands of aftermarket suspension. If you couldn't tell the difference between the aftermarket and the stock suspension, you must have been close to what the original design engineers had in mind when they designed the suspensions of the bikes you have owned...both in weight and riding style.RonH said:
YamaPA
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Am interested, but of course its price dependent. I am the individual who talked DIRECTLY with Penske (I only live a 30 minute drive from their Reading PA location) and I can tell you, the pricing from Penske for me to be the development mule a ways back was not enticing enough for me to embark on the project. In the end, the price I got from Penske was not much, if any cheaper, than what most on-line retailers sell Penske shocks for.
I would be interested in a shock with a remote reservoir, preload adjustment via collar, rebound, high and low speed compression, and ride height.
As far as spring rate, I will specify my spring rate and not leave it up to Penske.
For the record, Race Tech supposedly has a "kit" (fork internals and rear shock) for the Tenere which is coming out "soon". I called Race Tech a couple weeks ago, got a date for their earliest release date and have now inquired again, but no answer.
Sending you a PM to get pricing info.
I would be interested in a shock with a remote reservoir, preload adjustment via collar, rebound, high and low speed compression, and ride height.
As far as spring rate, I will specify my spring rate and not leave it up to Penske.
For the record, Race Tech supposedly has a "kit" (fork internals and rear shock) for the Tenere which is coming out "soon". I called Race Tech a couple weeks ago, got a date for their earliest release date and have now inquired again, but no answer.
Sending you a PM to get pricing info.
Just about everything you said regarding dealing directly with Penske is true. Penske does not work to develop new products in the motorcycle world. They rely on their distributors to find demand and assist with the development.YamaPA said:
Penske feels very strongly that their Made in USA product is premium and compares directly with competitors costing 30-50% more. Therefore, they do not offer significant discounts (even to their distributors) to develop shocks or to support group purchases. From my understanding, any price breaks we are getting are as a result of Stoltec Moto.
With the way this worked out in your case, you will have gotten to keep your bike 100% functional all along...yet will still get some of the benefit of reduced pricing by being in on the initial production run.
ac
Assuming this is a go. Will the individual shocks be set up to each purchasers specifications. Such as weight of rider plus gear and anticipated normal cargo load?
Of course!roadlizard said:
That is the lion share of the effort Stoltec will be performing on the Group Buy. Stoltec will be double-checking all orders to make sure spring selection and base settings are all proper for each rider.
Again, it will be up to the individual person to be 100% HONEST about their weight and provide an accurate weight for their gear and accessories. Any discrepancy in this could result in the wrong spring and baseline settings.
ac
I just got off the phone with Nick, owner of Stoltec Moto. He had a lengthy discussion with Penske today about our group buy.
Here is the relevant information:
-Penske is EXTREMELY excited to tackle the project. They will be working tomorrow and next week to tackle the initial work (look at the stock specs from Yamaha, evaluate the pictures I sent them, basically determine the level of effort of the project). They will be advising Stoltec and subsequently us of the development schedule next week.
-Please keep in mind that the purpose of this thread was to gauge interest in the DEVELOPMENT of the shock. With 30+ people interested we have caught the attention of Penske and one of their top-tier distributors. We are making a name for the YamahaSuperTenere.com riders!
-Penske has decided to RAISE the MSRP of ALL 8983 shocks for EVERY bike (not just the Super Tenere) from $875 to $895. What does this mean to us? Well, hopefully just that we are getting a better deal. Stoltec has advised me that they plan to honor the pricing discussed in PMs to the best of their ability.
So basically, hang in there. We will have more information next week. If you are interested and are not on the list, please PM me so we can maintain and accurate assessment of the demand.
ac
Here is the relevant information:
-Penske is EXTREMELY excited to tackle the project. They will be working tomorrow and next week to tackle the initial work (look at the stock specs from Yamaha, evaluate the pictures I sent them, basically determine the level of effort of the project). They will be advising Stoltec and subsequently us of the development schedule next week.
-Please keep in mind that the purpose of this thread was to gauge interest in the DEVELOPMENT of the shock. With 30+ people interested we have caught the attention of Penske and one of their top-tier distributors. We are making a name for the YamahaSuperTenere.com riders!
-Penske has decided to RAISE the MSRP of ALL 8983 shocks for EVERY bike (not just the Super Tenere) from $875 to $895. What does this mean to us? Well, hopefully just that we are getting a better deal. Stoltec has advised me that they plan to honor the pricing discussed in PMs to the best of their ability.
So basically, hang in there. We will have more information next week. If you are interested and are not on the list, please PM me so we can maintain and accurate assessment of the demand.
ac
I'm interested - PM sent to you ac.
100% percent "HONEST" about my weight???? :'(
In the past that is something only my doctor knew. I lied to everyone else. ::025:: ::025:: ::025::
Dammit-boy, I hope they won't publish the facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the past that is something only my doctor knew. I lied to everyone else. ::025:: ::025:: ::025::
Dammit-boy, I hope they won't publish the facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmmm....I didn't realize the threaded collar pre-load adjuster. That would be a deal breaker for me. I need to have faster access as I often take my GF and all her stuff, then will ride with minimal stuff/no passenger the next day. Need to change pre-load pretty often.avc8130 said:
If you have never experienced the Penske preload, you are over-reacting. This isn't your typical double spanner wrench setup. The Penske system is MUCH easier. Once the stock preload adjuster is out of the way, there will be enough access to change preload by close to 1/4 turn without repositioning the tool. I think it will remain relatively painless and more reliable as there is no hydraulic preload assembly to snag a hose or fail.DaFoole said:
This will be something my initial mock-up evaluation will focus heavily on.
ac
YamaPA
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I'll second the Penske manual adjust preload collar as NOT a big deal. It may take you 3-5 minutes to adjust at most (which is far more time than 30 seconds on a remote adjuster) but it is NOT hard. If you MUST have a 30 second, no tool adjustment, because you adjust your preload several times a week, the Penske wont be for you. But if you can deal with a single tool (basically a round, small diameter rod) and 3 -5 minutes, the Penske will be fine. The reliability of an on the shock adjuster is nice and its appearance is super clean.avc8130 said:
SMALL Update:
Penske has requested a stock shock for evaluation purposes. They are going to run it on their shock dyno and use it for general measurement purposes.
One of the YST.com members has graciously stepped up and offered his shock.
Penske is quite busy right now with Daytona supporting the festivities and the races. Hopefully the stock shock arrives and is waiting for them when they return.
I will keep you posted.
ac
Penske has requested a stock shock for evaluation purposes. They are going to run it on their shock dyno and use it for general measurement purposes.
One of the YST.com members has graciously stepped up and offered his shock.
Penske is quite busy right now with Daytona supporting the festivities and the races. Hopefully the stock shock arrives and is waiting for them when they return.
I will keep you posted.
ac
Jerry
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I am interested in this as well.
What kind of schedule do you think we may see on this?
Trying to budget my discretionary funds for all the "Project" I'd like to tackle this year.
Trying to budget my discretionary funds for all the "Project" I'd like to tackle this year.
We don't have a schedule from Penske just yet. I am told the sample stock shock is on its way to them. Most of Penske is down at "Bike Week" in Daytona. Once they get back, Stoltec will be meeting with them to try to pencil down a schedule. IF our shock can be made from a combination of off-the-shelf components, the schedule may be quicker. If custom components are needed, expect a longer time period.JHKolb said:
No one wants to promise anything just yet. I will keep you all posted!
ac
Take my name off the list. Ohlin's on the way.
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Phil,Firefight911 said:
I might do the same, but am going to see how the Penske turns out first, but you can't go wrong with Ohlins..... Where did you end up getting your Ohlins?
-steve
Getting it through Super Plush Suspension. Same guy who's been working with me on the overall set up.
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