Gee, I wish I purchased a KTM or BMW!

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offcamber said:
It's beneath them to mention other brands on the internet, they prefer to look down their nose at you as you ride by Starbucks.... ::025::
I believe you're right about not bashing other brands. Most riders I know don't give a flying phuck about what brand others ride, as long as they ride. Motorcycle enthusiast are like that, cool aid drinking fan boys.... not so much, they seem to have a need to practice Schadenfreude. Sad really.

Boxer motors, until the new LC version, were designed to use 1/2 - 1 quart of oil every 6K miles..... and run without an engine rebuild for over 500,000 miles.
The new LC motor uses no oil, time will tell is it's as durable as earlier models.

Longrider, take a ride over to the Ft. Myers BMW dealer, have a free lunch on any Saturday, and take a test ride of a new GS. I'd like to hear your thoughts afterward.

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Big Blu, I think I can demonstrate I am closer to your definition of "motorcycle enthusiasts", than that of your "fanboy".
After all, I've bought two KTM's in the last few days. (making 3 currently in the stable)

But STILL, the complaints made in threads like this towards the press and the general superior attitude that lots (not all, of course) of motorcyclists riding non-Japanese bikes have towards Japanese bikes IS very valid. Just my opinion.

And it wasn't always like this. In fact, there was a time that there weren't many bikes that were from Europe, or America, that could be taken very seriously as normal everyday valid citizen transportation.

Times sure have changed. And I delight in it, as a motorcycle enthusiast. :)

But I'm not gonna pretend the obvious bias doesn't exist.
Just like I won't pretend Texas and Texans aren't stereotyped all over the world. (Something I hope NEVER ends)
 

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Big Blu said:
Boxer motors, until the new LC version, were designed to use 1/2 - 1 quart of oil every 6K miles..... and run without an engine rebuild for over 500,000 miles.
The new LC motor uses no oil, time will tell is it's as durable as earlier models.
Per BMW, the pre-LC motors are considered in spec as long as they use "less than" 1 quart every ONE thousand miles.
 

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I say buy what you feel is your best choice and deal with whatever comes up, it's your choice and your cash as well as your happiness.
Apparently nothing happens to any motorcycle now days!!


My plan is to go out and adventure this spring, summer and fall.
Camp under the stars drink Beer or tea around a camp fire and be happy for what I have.
I have a ride that gets me places I never have seen it makes me smile and I am blessed with it's dependability.
Life is to short go out and>>>.

::021:: ::021:: ::021::
 

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I have a ride that gets me places I never have seen it makes me smile and I am blessed with it's dependability.
I just hope my 60 year old self can survive the places this bike can take me.

And if I do not survive, then I went out doing what I wanted to do which is why I bought it.
 

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I currently have five KTM V-twins ranging in years from '08 to '11 (three are street bikes.) I must say that I've had absolutely zero problems with any of them. My traveler is an '08 990 ADV S and its been an absolutely wonderful and totally reliable machine, BUT, when I am out on the road I still get a bit nervous about the lack of dealer support. I probably shouldn't feel that way but I do. To lessen my concerns I will be soon purchasing a Super Tenere as my traveler. From experience I personally believe that the Japanese have a huge edge over reliability in the motorcycle and car/truck market. For traveling, reliability coupled with a great dealer network, make them a winner in my book.
What kind of mileage are we talking about on these machines?
 

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That's how I see it too. I'll never quit riding til I'm dead, but having 175hp means nothing to me if the motorcycle is dead 35yrs before I am. I prefer to ride. Lets not make fun of the other garbage out there though, as on garbage forums they don't ever, ever mention Yamaha or Honda in a negative way, they just ride their 175hp garbage for its entire 8000 mile life without negative comments about others choices in motorcycles. :D Yea right.
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I know I personally like other bike bashing, but merely as an observer, for me this provides info on a potential future bike I may be interested in. At least this way I can make an informed decision based on the info / gripes of other bike owners etc. But ragging on a particular make/model for the sake of looking down on them is worthless. I know that if I was riding and happened upon a stranded rider of another make, I would not stop at point out that his machine was worthless, I would offer assistance anyway I could.........just me.
 

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You guys are silly :-\

I've a 12 Tenere & a 14 KTM 690. Luv both. I spend a tiny bit more cash on the KTM - I'm beginning to worry more about the Tenere. No plans to get rid of either.
 

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What worries you about your Tenere?

The only worry about the Tenere is when Yamaha discontinues it.

Just curious but how many of you members still on the forum have sold your Tenere and don't plan on another?
 

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the focus of all this was more about how the mags report on the bikes... the bias of the mag writers seems to lean toward the european machines (and the adrenalin junkies) and high horse power machines... in short shiny european bikes with mega hp and even with over the top maintenance expense, seems to float their boats... is that real world, maybe those that have deep pockets it is... i am not bashing other brands(except harley,and i have my reasons) to me it would serve bmw and ktm better if the mags would have been a bit more straight forward and said ,say great concept great paint great handling but they need to work on simple things like reliability.... air boxes that don't work, really, ktm, bmw should be the best, and for the price they are not quite there.....
 

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Big Blu said:
I believe you're right about not bashing other brands. Most riders I know don't give a flying phuck about what brand others ride, as long as they ride. Motorcycle enthusiast are like that, cool aid drinking fan boys.... not so much, they seem to have a need to practice Schadenfreude. Sad really.
Boxer motors, until the new LC version, were designed to use 1/2 - 1 quart of oil every 6K miles..... and run without an engine rebuild for over 500,000 miles.
The new LC motor uses no oil, time will tell is it's as durable as earlier models.
, take a ride over to the Ft. Myers BMW dealer, have a free lunch on any Saturday, and take a test ride of a new GS. I'd like to hear your thoughts afterward.

Paul

Then why do you continue to promote BMW so?

The point of this thread is as mentioned, the Tenere is not getting real world reviews against incredible Media bias.

When I purchased the Tenere I was seriously considering the BMW, the high maintnance and the final drive bullshit had me skeptical of the BMW, fuel pump problems were not thrilling either. The KTM had it's own problems as well which made it lose it's appeal.

Then I narrowed it down on parts availability and service, even the Tenere will break at some point, and what would parts availability be? A few days at best has been my experience. Both the Euro bikes are the typical weeks out on parts delivery, free lunch and coffee does not make up for downtime, be it extra maintenance or waiting for your parts.

So that pretty much was it, but there still was a low miles BMW for a good price which kind of made up for the extra costs, at least for awhile. I debated but stopped and took the Yami for a ride. Having not seen one in person it was stunning, up close, but so is the BMW. The kind salesman asked if I wanted to ride, and after a 3.5 hour drive you can bet your ass I wanted a ride.

He fired it up and the acropovic delivered a nice rumble, I smiled that is always a good start.

It was rainy and 40 degrees, there was no logical reason to ride, but I did, throttle response was perfect, nice low end real world grunt which made my HOG buddies drool. It handled nice and bagged to have the pegs screaming in protest as sparks lit up the evening air.
I rode to the end of e pavement and without a moments breath launched onto the dirt road ahead, it soaked up the bumps with ease and it's low center of Gravity made it seem lighter than the true DS in the garage.
I continued to tear it up and smashed thru some mud, TC came on preventing a real thrill, I stopped turned it off and off I went again, painting the fence posts brown as I went by.
Like everything good the dirt and mud came to an end and I was back on e Tarmac, the cold rain penetrated my LeVis and made me shiver, I thought of my wife in my nice warm idling truck and gave the Tenere some onion, it launched to 120 plenty quickly, the adrenaline warming my body.

I rode onto the parking lot grinning ear to ear, trying to think of a reason to not write a check.

I really did not have a reason, it performed to the expectations I wanted.

I made arrangements and the dealer would deliver half of the 3 and a half hour distance three days later.

I have no regrets, although tea and crumpets would have been nice, he did offer me a value meal at Wendy's. ::025::

I am good with my decision. What I am not good with is the Bias against the blue and the thought that because of that bias someday possibly making the Tenere drift from the market place infuriates me, that is not right.

People deserve honest real world journalism, they are not getting it. The bias keeps other companies pumping out bikes at a level not deserved to a naive public that ends up finding his hard earned cash milked from his pocket.

Nonsense.

So that my friend is why I take the stand I do, not because the Tenere is e best, but because it is e most realistic blue collar ride for the guy who wants to ride, and have the money to ride.
 

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stomp347 said:
It's actually funny. Seems like they didn't even acknowledge your comment....oh well.
Whatever. I made my point and now the typical BMW owner comments are being made. As I posted over there, I've now learned the following axiom:

"Chase and repair trucks are for BMWs, trailers for Harleys."
 

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Then why do you continue to promote BMW so?

The point of this thread is as mentioned, the Tenere is not getting real world reviews against incredible Media bias.

When I purchased the Tenere I was seriously considering the BMW, the high maintnance and the final drive bullshit had me skeptical of the BMW, fuel pump problems were not thrilling either. The KTM had it's own problems as well which made it lose it's appeal.

Then I narrowed it down on parts availability and service, even the Tenere will break at some point, and what would parts availability be? A few days at best has been my experience. Both the Euro bikes are the typical weeks out on parts delivery, free lunch and coffee does not make up for downtime, be it extra maintenance or waiting for your parts.

So that pretty much was it, but there still was a low miles BMW for a good price which kind of made up for the extra costs, at least for awhile. I debated but stopped and took the Yami for a ride. Having not seen one in person it was stunning, up close, but so is the BMW. The kind salesman asked if I wanted to ride, and after a 3.5 hour drive you can bet your ass I wanted a ride.

He fired it up and the acropovic delivered a nice rumble, I smiled that is always a good start.

It was rainy and 40 degrees, there was no logical reason to ride, but I did, throttle response was perfect, nice low end real world grunt which made my HOG buddies drool. It handled nice and bagged to have the pegs screaming in protest as sparks lit up the evening air.
I rode to the end of e pavement and without a moments breath launched onto the dirt road ahead, it soaked up the bumps with ease and it's low center of Gravity made it seem lighter than the true DS in the garage.
I continued to tear it up and smashed thru some mud, TC came on preventing a real thrill, I stopped turned it off and off I went again, painting the fence posts brown as I went by.
Like everything good the dirt and mud came to an end and I was back on e Tarmac, the cold rain penetrated my LeVis and made me shiver, I thought of my wife in my nice warm idling truck and gave the Tenere some onion, it launched to 120 plenty quickly, the adrenaline warming my body.

I rode onto the parking lot grinning ear to ear, trying to think of a reason to not write a check.

I really did not have a reason, it performed to the expectations I wanted.

I made arrangements and the dealer would deliver half of the 3 and a half hour distance three days later.

I have no regrets, although tea and crumpets would have been nice, he did offer me a value meal at Wendy's. ::025::

I am good with my decision. What I am not good with is the Bias against the blue and the thought that because of that bias someday possibly making the Tenere drift from the market place infuriates me, that is not right.

People deserve honest real world journalism, they are not getting it. The bias keeps other companies pumping out bikes at a level not deserved to a naive public that ends up finding his hard earned cash milked from his pocket.

Nonsense.

So that my friend is why I take the stand I do, not because the Tenere is e best, but because it is e most realistic blue collar ride for the guy who wants to ride, and have the money to ride.
I'm not promoting BMW nor am I bashing the ST. I'm simply sharing my experience and questioning why some here seem to obsess defending their choice of bike by throwing rocks at other brands or offering criticism of other that don't share their lust for the ST..... including journalist. I say: ::021::

As to "real world journalism"... we each live in our own "real world" colored by our experience and our prejudice, the same goes for journalists. Sometimes what they don't say tells more then what they do say. I'd like to see them include information like cost of ownership(assuming all service performed by the dealer), service intervals, scope of warranty, things that are based on fact and without bias.

I believe that in todays market there are no bad bikes, just bad dealers. My wrench turning skills and my patience is limited so dealer customer support is important to me. Number one factor in my purchase decisions is the smile factor, and number 2 is mfg./dealer support. I'm fortunate to have several BMW, Ducati, Triumph, Honda, and now KTM dealers in the are that I have earned my trust. While I praise Yamaha for their mfg. support the local dealer in my part of the world just plain suck when it comes to professional reliable service.

What is important is that you ride, not what you ride. ::021::

Paul
 

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Shrekonwheels,

BRAVO!
That is one of the finest posts regarding the merits of this wonderful machine that I have ever read. And it was without any embellishment whatsoever. Just honest experience.

Bravo, again, I say.
 

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passion, it makes the forum ,well interesting... my wife, who does not ride, nor does she know anything about bikes, on a road trip. well im going on and on about what bike i think i want. i was really torn between the 990 or tenere, the bmw third choice. but she . after suffering a four or five hour monolog says, every town we have driven through seems to have some kind of yamaha dealer,(not one bmw or ktm dealer anywhere) would that make more sense to buy something that if you were traveling and needed help you could find it. hmmm smart woman, yet some how she picked me... its not always about horse power, but for some it is. its not always about price, but for most it is. its not always about reliability, but it should be. we subscribe to the mags because we are enthusiast, we hope and expect that we are given good honest unbiased information, but people are involved and that does not always happen. for me the yamaha fits, its reliable, it was affordable, it goes where i point it. its very stable(better than me) 98 hp is enough to get me in trouble if i choose to go there.... if after 11000 miles and the tenere had cost 5 grand extra it would be gone. if i paid bmw or ktms price i would expect reliability, sad the mags are not really good at reporting that,but have no problem wanting me to renew my subscription.... some one once made a remark about the quality of the russian tank the t34 to joseph stalin. he replied that quantity has its on quality. what im saying is for most reliability and affordabilty are that quality...and the tenere is a very nice and competant motorcycle.
 

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In the Cycle World test they admitted that the GSA and KTM were used and abused offroad, probably more so than the average buyer would subject them to. Still, an engine rebuild for the KTM, a new clutch, two sets of cylinder heads and both shocks for the BMW is pretty lousy as far as reliability goes. Factory warranties are nice but these bikes are marketed as true * Adventure * bikes. Does that mean * not really?*
I wonder if anyone on this forum has used and abused their Tenere's in the same manner as Cycle World and what the damage has been?
 

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I can honestly say that I have beat on mine many a time. No issues of significance.
Jimmy Lewis, a true professional physics law breaker of a motorcyclist, rode my bike in anger once. No issues.

Mine has napped, tossed me off in the dirt, mid, and sand and it has had next to no issues. Replaced a read drive seal, CCT, and a bunch of tires. That's about it except a broken light frame but that was absolutely my fault. Oh, and it blew a headlight bulb once.

Now, let's have a chat about my 8 BMWs....the last two of which were both bought back under lemon law.
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I always ask myself a simply Question, what bike would I want sitting in the garage with an expired warranty ::022::
 

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Big Blu I am not sure you get it . Why buy a bike that you need a lot of dealer support for in the first place . 56,000 and went places that only hard core off road riders go , and at speeds that scare the rest on pavement and cruise in triple digits , not in Oregon . I spend a lot of time riding buy my self in the mountains , The last thing I worry about is the bike .
 
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